Brexit and the £

[beautifulthailand99]

Sunderland seems to be getting buyer's regret or waking up to reality as I like to think .  Should have thought this through before voting - maybe I should ask them for my missing 20% !

 

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/12/16/sunderland-shows-that-the-public-are-getting-cold-feet-over

[Kwasaki]

9 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

Facts are these: Britain imports far MORE FROM THE EU THAN IT EXPORTS. So, who will lose out? and THEY KNOW IT!

Maybe but it makes me wonder how the UK survived before importing from Oz,  NZ,  Canada,  Brasil. 

[Kwasaki]

8 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

maybe I should ask them for my missing 20% !

 

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2016/12/16/sunderland-shows-that-the-public-are-getting-cold-feet-over

Another poll whow !!    and another report from moaners. 

[jak2002003]

11 hours ago, sinbin said:

It's called democracy, accept it. I had to when I voted NO in the 70's. 40 years of living in a system I didn't want to live in but had to accept it. I never moaned.

Except is faulty democracy isn't it?  Because such a serious vote should have been give the ill informed public... and after the result a big percentage said they did not want to leave Europe.. but they made 'protest votes' as they did not believe it would stand a chance to go through.

 

This issue was the Governments job to sort out, or at least educate the population with facts.  We were misguided and lied to by the press, and incompetent people in the government who span a lot of lies for political popularity and not the benefit of the country.

 

As it was the vote to leave was mostly bases on nothing but immigration and raciest agenda, and nothing or little to do with money, the economy, or the good of the country as a whole.

 

If it was put to the vote again then it could not go through, as now more people know some facts about it, and others would not be so stupid to waste their vote in a protest vote.

 

 

[i claudius]

13 hours ago, Naam said:

but the car giant’s boss has called for continued tariff- and barrier-free access between the UK and Europe.

But they dont seem to worried ,or they would not be investing the money ,now would they ?

[i claudius]

13 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Except is faulty democracy isn't it?  Because such a serious vote should have been give the ill informed public... and after the result a big percentage said they did not want to leave Europe.. but they made 'protest votes' as they did not believe it would stand a chance to go through.

 

This issue was the Governments job to sort out, or at least educate the population with facts.  We were misguided and lied to by the press, and incompetent people in the government who span a lot of lies for political popularity and not the benefit of the country.

 

As it was the vote to leave was mostly bases on nothing but immigration and raciest agenda, and nothing or little to do with money, the economy, or the good of the country as a whole.

 

If it was put to the vote again then it could not go through, as now more people know some facts about it, and others would not be so stupid to waste their vote in a protest vote.

 

 

And you know this how? it was a vote by the public ,just like when we voted for that w-nker Blair , just because you do not like the outcome tough , its a done deal , now please just let it go ,or do you want a vote every 5 years , ? or keep  voting until you get the answer you want?

Edited March 17, 2017 by i claudius

[dentonian]

21 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Except is faulty democracy isn't it?  Because such a serious vote should have been give the ill informed public... and after the result a big percentage said they did not want to leave Europe.. but they made 'protest votes' as they did not believe it would stand a chance to go through.

 

This issue was the Governments job to sort out, or at least educate the population with facts.  We were misguided and lied to by the press, and incompetent people in the government who span a lot of lies for political popularity and not the benefit of the country.

 

As it was the vote to leave was mostly bases on nothing but immigration and raciest agenda, and nothing or little to do with money, the economy, or the good of the country as a whole.

 

If it was put to the vote again then it could not go through, as now more people know some facts about it, and others would not be so stupid to waste their vote in a protest vote.

 

 

 

Economists predicted a minimum 15% devaluation of the £ against other currencies if the Brexit vote was a 'Yes'.

Despite that fact, those who would be most affected, expats, still voted 2-1 in favour of Brexit in a survey on Thai Visa.

 

[Kwasaki]

23 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Except is faulty democracy isn't it? 

 

If it was put to the vote again then it could not go through, as now more people know some facts about it, and others would not be so stupid to waste their vote in a protest vote.

Nonsense !!  tell me oh guru what was the great future for UK other than likened to a puppet on a string of staying with EU it's just full of a bunch contrary poncing countries saying help me l can't help myself.

[sinbin]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

Except is faulty democracy isn't it?  Because such a serious vote should have been give the ill informed public... and after the result a big percentage said they did not want to leave Europe.. but they made 'protest votes' as they did not believe it would stand a chance to go through.

 

This issue was the Governments job to sort out, or at least educate the population with facts.  We were misguided and lied to by the press, and incompetent people in the government who span a lot of lies for political popularity and not the benefit of the country.

 

As it was the vote to leave was mostly bases on nothing but immigration and raciest agenda, and nothing or little to do with money, the economy, or the good of the country as a whole.

 

If it was put to the vote again then it could not go through, as now more people know some facts about it, and others would not be so stupid to waste their vote in a protest vote.

 

 

You're sounding so much like the ginger dwarf, leader of the SNP. Things didn't go your way so you bitch 'til you get what you want like a spoiled child.

[champers]

The UK is a major market for European car manufacturers, particularly the Germans. Whatever one may think of German politicians, they are not stupid. There is a lot of posturing going on right now but once negotiations with the UK begin pragmatism will reign. Individual EU countries want to sell products to the UK and a concerted and coordinated EU strategy to do differently is a fantasy. Some of the unelected beaurocrats in Brussels are getting warm around the collar. The EU is fragmenting and individual states; or more importantly their populations; can now see that there is life beyond and outside the EU. The move towards political union has failed.

[dageurreotype]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Maybe but it makes me wonder how the UK survived before importing from Oz,  NZ,  Canada,  Brasil. 

Indeed! I remember when my favourite Canadian Cheddar and New Zealand Butter were off the shelves and The Consumer had been instructed (for that in essence is what the EU is about, telling others what to do) they could buy from within Europe, only.

 

All this scaremongering and bullying is truly shameful Stuff the EU and it's gravy train. And a special <deleted> to Tony Bliar. His nice big  litlle earner's dropped off the cliff. Hahaha.  Oh and Barry. How's that 'retirement' working out for you?

[503726]

 

15 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

Facts are these: Britain imports far MORE FROM THE EU THAN IT EXPORTS. So, who will lose out? and THEY KNOW IT!

 

Any silly visa restrictions or taxes demanded by the EU will be reciprocated immediately by the UK. They know that too. It will hurt the German car manufacturers who export a great many to the UK, The French champagne mob, where the UK is the biggest customer. These are small examples but on and on it goes, tit for tat.

 

Scouse's argument is right but I feel there is more to say.

 

I had a contract earlier this year for a UK PLC that had won a contract in Cologne creating 250 front line jobs + support with the scope to double by selling UK processes & know how not available in Germany.  It was a market leading breakthrough if it worked.

 

Brits have been thoroughly uninformed of (and unconverted to) the European project.

 

We can not appreciate the significance of social laws in the working environment in Germany. The accord reached on production was set at a very high pace, it seemed when I worked in a German car factory as a student. The rates were set at a level to ensure the profitability of production as agreed in collective negotiation between the workers council & the company. The collective agreements set for a newly established UK process were all set at well below UK standards.

 

Brits would not think they would need a protracted process to agree who supports Management Information services and they do NOT when the MI is done in Germany but they are in absolute paralysis should the MI be done from the UK. Similarly, tax laws in Germany concerning supply of services within groups (transfer pricing) virtually forced local procurement on the project and lost the synergies the group would otherwise have had. Selling services, even those supplied locally, seems far harder than exporting goods so the UK as a service provider would have a competitive disadvantage hidden in the European model.

 

That was a long paragraph. Suffice to say, the history & logic for social agreements that went beyond the nation state that the original group of 6 had is not in the Anglo-Saxon experience. We don't understand it. The Europeans gathered that & conceded what they could to keep us, (Euro/Schengen/& opt outs to put up with us). The economic argument and ruling parties would have pulled us along for ever had the aberration of referendum not come along. 

 

I'm not an economics authority but going on by my project in Germany earlier this year, I'd there is all to play for now in how much business will relocate from the UK to Europe & how much more red tape can be placed on services the Uk could supply to Europe when we for example disengage from harmonisation of regulation or VAT. Lets hope we don't do a small tit for a big tat!

 

[Scouse123]

8 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Except is faulty democracy isn't it?  Because such a serious vote should have been give the ill informed public... and after the result a big percentage said they did not want to leave Europe.. but they made 'protest votes' as they did not believe it would stand a chance to go through.

 

This issue was the Governments job to sort out, or at least educate the population with facts.  We were misguided and lied to by the press, and incompetent people in the government who span a lot of lies for political popularity and not the benefit of the country.

 

As it was the vote to leave was mostly bases on nothing but immigration and raciest agenda, and nothing or little to do with money, the economy, or the good of the country as a whole.

 

If it was put to the vote again then it could not go through, as now more people know some facts about it, and others would not be so stupid to waste their vote in a protest vote.

 

 

Hindsight a wonderful thing, eh?

 

And if most people were totally informed about all issues the last 20 governments in the UK, possibly more, would not have got into power.

 

We are always lied to by politicians and you seem to think in this case it was an exception as opposed to the norm! David Cameron called the referendum as he believed he had no chance of losing it and underestimated people on the ground and public opinion outside London.

 

The government adopted a platform of treating the public like idiots, that didn't work. Then they moved into bringing in big guns from foreign powers, eg. President Obama, that failed to as the British viewed it as interference. Finally, the EU idiots resorted to out and out threats, that would fail against most nations in the world who respond poorly to threats especially the British public.

 

Your answers are like the Thai response when the Red shirts kept winning. Pick a colour RED Ah, you weren't in possession of the full facts, vote again. OK, RED. Ah, wrong answer, vote again. OK, RED again. Ah, you are farmers and too stupid to vote. You don't understand politics, so we'll bring in the Army.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Scouse123

[Kwasaki]

3 hours ago, 503726 said:

 

 

Scouse's argument is right but I feel there is more to say.

 

I had a contract earlier this year for a UK PLC that had won a contract in Cologne creating 250 front line jobs + support with the scope to double by selling UK processes & know how not available in Germany.  It was a market leading breakthrough if it worked.

 

Brits have been thoroughly uninformed of (and unconverted to) the European project.

 

We can not appreciate the significance of social laws in the working environment in Germany. The accord reached on production was set at a very high pace, it seemed when I worked in a German car factory as a student. The rates were set at a level to ensure the profitability of production as agreed in collective negotiation between the workers council & the company. The collective agreements set for a newly established UK process were all set at well below UK standards.

 

Brits would not think they would need a protracted process to agree who supports Management Information services and they do NOT when the MI is done in Germany but they are in absolute paralysis should the MI be done from the UK. Similarly, tax laws in Germany concerning supply of services within groups (transfer pricing) virtually forced local procurement on the project and lost the synergies the group would otherwise have had. Selling services, even those supplied locally, seems far harder than exporting goods so the UK as a service provider would have a competitive disadvantage hidden in the European model.

 

That was a long paragraph. Suffice to say, the history & logic for social agreements that went beyond the nation state that the original group of 6 had is not in the Anglo-Saxon experience. We don't understand it. The Europeans gathered that & conceded what they could to keep us, (Euro/Schengen/& opt outs to put up with us). The economic argument and ruling parties would have pulled us along for ever had the aberration of referendum not come along. 

 

I'm not an economics authority but going on by my project in Germany earlier this year, I'd there is all to play for now in how much business will relocate from the UK to Europe & how much more red tape can be placed on services the Uk could supply to Europe when we for example disengage from harmonisation of regulation or VAT. Lets hope we don't do a small tit for a big tat!

 

Oh come on loser. 

[Kwasaki]

57 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

underestimated people on the ground and public opinion outside London.

Well at least you quote something of the truth. 

[OJAS]

15 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

Hindsight a wonderful thing, eh?

 

And if most people were totally informed about all issues the last 20 governments in the UK, possibly more, would not have got into power.

 

We are always lied to by politicians and you seem to think in this case it was an exception as opposed to the norm! David Cameron called the referendum as he believed he had no chance of losing it and underestimated people on the ground and public opinion outside London.

 

The government adopted a platform of treating the public like idiots, that didn't work. Then they moved into bringing in big guns from foreign powers, eg. President Obama, that failed to as the British viewed it as interference. Finally, the EU idiots resorted to out and out threats, that would fail against most nations in the world who respond poorly to threats especially the British public.

 

Your answers are like the Thai response when the Red shirts kept winning. Pick a colour RED Ah, you weren't in possession of the full facts, vote again. OK, RED. Ah, wrong answer, vote again. OK, RED again. Ah, you are farmers and too stupid to vote. You don't understand politics, so we'll bring in the Army.

Spot on. London Remainer elitists = Bangkok yellow-shirt elitists.

[503726]

On ‎17‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 0:25 PM, Kwasaki said:

Oh come on loser. 

Not sure I follow you, I did okay out of the project.

 

The contribution wasn't about me & the UK plc managed to mitigated its situation too. The synergies it could get were taken in its German subsidiaries (my point was why should they have to be) and the innovation exported was watered down. The existing 250 staff employed trundle on not making much profit or benefit improvement to the client and space for the contract extension was allocated to business won from another client.

 

Call centre providers used to be paid by the minute their staff spent answering calls from end users to for example telecoms companies. They still are in Germany and it does not make a great experience for anyone when the call centre provider makes more money the longer it takes to deal with calls and the more times the end user calls back.    

 

This particular plc has developed its services in the UK to be more effective. Payment is to deal with calls to standards their clients want and give a good experience. A UK client recommended its benefits to the German company who we had the project with. They approached the UK, agreed to pay for it to be set up & run using the UK approach. 

 

So for example, for a good service it is important to pick staff with appropriate skills and not just get a "head" to fill a "seat". The German client paid the UK price fee for recruitment using the screening techniques, aptitude tests & all developed over years in the UK. The UK charged that cost to the project and then the German tax authority challenged the charge under their transfer pricing rules on the basis that it was more than what a German recruitment would agent charge for whatever they do. It was too much hassle to debate this and all the other issues with a Prussian system set up to say no. It was easier to credit the charges out for specialist expertise exported from the UK to the project and a management charge from a German subsidiary (that does not have the same scrutiny under their rules) was paid instead.  Its crap & a narrow glimpse of barriers to getting into the German market that I thought worth sharing when a UK company was approached to provide its service with the UK in the EU.

 

Those guys see a high tax economy, social control of production and perhaps market protection as civilised in a way the UK does not. 

 

Hassles could be much worse outside the EU. For example, could they say UK banking or insurance is not suitable for interaction with their institutions (as they did in 2008) without meeting all sorts of other criteria or that our housing market is junk.  

 

With respect, I don't understand your comment about me being a loser. I did not lose at all.

[Kwasaki]

5 hours ago, 503726 said:

With respect, I don't understand your comment about me being a loser. I did not lose at all.

Apologies,  l bow to your interest and knowledge in such things, frankly all my main working life the EU regs whatever were nothing but a pain in the butt. 

[elliss]

   March  29 ,  D day ,      soon to be followed by a General election ? .

   Pound down , good luck to  you all living in  Thailand ,,, and those existing in the UK .  555

Edited March 20, 2017 by elliss

[i claudius]

11 hours ago, elliss said:

   March  29 ,  D day ,      soon to be followed by a General election ? .

   Pound down , good luck to  you all living in  Thailand ,,, and those existing in the UK .  555

March 29 d day no general election ,pound goes up  great living in Thailand and those who are free in the UK 555 

suck it up ,you lost . live with it .555

[Kwasaki]

14 hours ago, elliss said:

   March  29 ,  D day ,      soon to be followed by a General election ? .

   Pound down , good luck to  you all living in  Thailand ,,, and those existing in the UK .  555

    another comedian with a crystal ball.  

 

[david555]

Not so much the question to allowed to stay in E.U., but By and large the main concern for these pensioners is healthcare and whether they will still be able to access free healthcare once the UK leaves the EU
 

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-pensioners-spain-worry-brexit-111712996.html

[jadee]

Another day, another interesting article in the Independent about the pound: 'Pound sterling could collapse by another 15% by the end of 2017, says Deutsche Bank'. in the Business News section. They released a special report on Brexit saying the pound could go to $1.06 against the dollar. The article does note that other sources are more optimistic but it boils down to whether there is a 'hard' Brexit or not. 
On the subject of a 'hard' Brexit, there are several articles from various sources about the possibility of the ECB offering banks a quick and easy 'fast-track' move into Europe. Brexiteers in the UK didn't seem to forecast this possibility; they assumed that the difficult process for bank to gain permission to operate in the EU would be sufficient to make staying in the UK attractive. However, the ECB could waive the usually lengthy process of getting banks to show their risk models on the basis that they cleared the UK requirements. 

[goldenbrwn1]

6 hours ago, jadee said:

Another day, another interesting article in the Independent about the pound: 'Pound sterling could collapse by another 15% by the end of 2017, says Deutsche Bank'. in the Business News section. They released a special report on Brexit saying the pound could go to $1.06 against the dollar. The article does note that other sources are more optimistic but it boils down to whether there is a 'hard' Brexit or not. 
On the subject of a 'hard' Brexit, there are several articles from various sources about the possibility of the ECB offering banks a quick and easy 'fast-track' move into Europe. Brexiteers in the UK didn't seem to forecast this possibility; they assumed that the difficult process for bank to gain permission to operate in the EU would be sufficient to make staying in the UK attractive. However, the ECB could waive the usually lengthy process of getting banks to show their risk models on the basis that they cleared the UK requirements. 

Google 'sterling pound live news' everyday and everyday they will say the complete opposite from the day before, sometimes a few hours later even. Could do this, could do that. Who cares. The UK is not a basket case country or a 3rd world military run country. Brexit will happen then brexit will be over. We will all get over it.

 

 

 

 

[Kwasaki]

7 hours ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

The UK is not a basket case country or a 3rd world military run country. Brexit will happen then brexit will be over. We will all get over it.

Agree that's what EU are frighten about if UK does well out of the club others will follow.

As for the newspaper article obviously you wouldn't expect Deutsche Bank to support the UK exit..

 

[dentonian]

Lots of scaremongering news being thrown by other EU Countries, when in fact I believe their more concerned at their own demise within the EU once the UK leaves.

No more cash to bail out Greece again once we take our fruit from the bowl.

 

They are all more worried than the UK is!

[elliss]

 Meanwhile ,the  one and lonely  UK   , MP is quitting , { good brain ]

  Meanwhile  our  Nigel ,  has relocated   his  permanent ,false smile  to  Trump  Towers @ US of A.   

Political loyalty , at its  best . 

Edited March 25, 2017 by elliss

[emilymat]

On 3/17/2017 at 6:32 PM, Scouse123 said:

Hindsight a wonderful thing, eh?

 

And if most people were totally informed about all issues the last 20 governments in the UK, possibly more, would not have got into power.

 

We are always lied to by politicians and you seem to think in this case it was an exception as opposed to the norm! David Cameron called the referendum as he believed he had no chance of losing it and underestimated people on the ground and public opinion outside London.

 

The government adopted a platform of treating the public like idiots, that didn't work. Then they moved into bringing in big guns from foreign powers, eg. President Obama, that failed to as the British viewed it as interference. Finally, the EU idiots resorted to out and out threats, that would fail against most nations in the world who respond poorly to threats especially the British public.

 

Your answers are like the Thai response when the Red shirts kept winning. Pick a colour RED Ah, you weren't in possession of the full facts, vote again. OK, RED. Ah, wrong answer, vote again. OK, RED again. Ah, you are farmers and too stupid to vote. You don't understand politics, so we'll bring in the Army.

 

 

Hmmm....So, it was wrong for Obama to have the nerve to express a view during our referendum, , yet it was perfectly Ok for millions in the UK to sign and support a petition to debar President-elect Trump, during his campaign, from visiting the UK.  I call that double standards, even though,were I an American. I would have voted democrat.

[503726]

On ‎19‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 9:33 AM, Kwasaki said:

Apologies,  l bow to your interest and knowledge in such things, frankly all my main working life the EU regs whatever were nothing but a pain in the butt. 

Thank you. I agree with your view. Regs have been a barrier to trade as have national laws.  

 

Our model of raising money on the stock market for profitable businesses that pay their tax & a return to shareholders has been at odds with the European goal & other national models. I just hadn't realised the scope of disincentive to the service sector expanding into Europe until my experience last year & that was in Germany. Business in France sounds more challenging still & Ireland must feel isolated encouraging businesses with low tax rates!

 

National laws & the general direction of the European project protected local markets from British service businesses when we were in the EU.  Did you see this article on the BBC today, the timing is telling! At least life may be a bit more transparent now.

 

The LSE-Deutsche Boerse deal looks dead: Who killed it and why?

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39109085

 

One source close to the deal said: "This is the problem with Europe in microcosm - we tried to do a Europe-facing deal for everyone's benefit and Europe killed it off".

There are also those who think the LSE would be better facing west and pivoting away from Europe.

[Ace of Pop]

Did not Harold Wilson loose the election years ago because he had a plan To get Britain Back to Work .Sod that Brothers.


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