Work permit cancelled while outside Thailand

[wimmel]

I had a Non-Imm B visa and work permit when I left Thailand at the start of March. My company cancelled the work permit when I was outside of Thailand. I am still outside of Thailand and I have not visited immigration yet. I'd like to head back to Thailand to collect my things.

What would be the proper procedure to do this? Are there any risks involved?

[ubonjoe]

If you have a valid multiple entry non-b visa it would still be valid until it expires.

If you had an extension of stay (it is not a visa) based upon working from immigration and no re-entry permit you will get a 30 day visa exempt entry if you qualify for one.

[wimmel]

The extension of stay is what you pay for at immigration right? I haven't been to immigration since I received my original work permit and visa at immigration (May 2016).

 

I have a multiple entry non-b visa. So if I return do I just have to go directly to immigration, or is there no rush?

[ubonjoe]

38 minutes ago, wimmel said:

The extension of stay is what you pay for at immigration right? I haven't been to immigration since I received my original work permit and visa at immigration (May 2016).

 

I have a multiple entry non-b visa. So if I return do I just have to go directly to immigration, or is there no rush?

You don't get multiple entry visas at immigration. You have apply for them at a embassy or consulate.

I think you got an extension after you got your work permit. Look at your passport to see what you have.

[BritTim]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

You don't get multiple entry visas at immigration. You have apply for them at a embassy or consulate.

I think you got an extension after you got your work permit. Look at your passport to see what you have.

If he has a multiple re-entry permit along with an extension of stay, what is his correct procedure now?

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, BritTim said:

f he has a multiple re-entry permit along with an extension of stay, what is his correct procedure now?

One would be to try and convince the officer on entry to not use the re-entry permit.

If the re-entry permit was used he could probably stay until he leaves again or before the date given from the re-entry permit.

[BritTim]

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

One would be to try and convince the officer on entry to not use the re-entry permit.

If the re-entry permit was used he could probably stay until he leaves again or before the date given from the re-entry permit.

Strictly speaking, is it not true that the extension of stay (and thus any re-entry for it) ceases to be valid once the employment ceases? This seems to me a nasty edge case where, although unlikely, one could end up in hot water.

[CharlieH]

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[wimmel]

Ok it looks like I have both a reentry permit and an extension of stay. I really cant risk getting stuck in Thailand as I start a new job soon. Should I speak to immigration separately when I land in Bangkok? Should I be coming in on the non-imm B or tourist visa? 

[overherebc]

4 hours ago, wimmel said:

Ok it looks like I have both a reentry permit and an extension of stay. I really cant risk getting stuck in Thailand as I start a new job soon. Should I speak to immigration separately when I land in Bangkok? Should I be coming in on the non-imm B or tourist visa? 

I am going to ask a couple of question and they are not directed at the OP.

If the company cancel the work permit while someone is out of Thailand will Imm' at the airport have any knowledge of it being cancelled?

Does the labour office notify Imm' of the WP being cancelled?

If the OP flies in with a SETV or wants a 30 day VE entry and the IO sees he has a still valid extension ie valid as stamped in his PP would telling the IO that he is no longer working be a problem?

Would leaving the re-entry permit number off the landing card mean the IO would just issue a 30 day VE?

[ubonjoe]

8 minutes ago, overherebc said:

If the company cancel the work permit while someone is out of Thailand will Imm' at the airport have any knowledge of it being cancelled?

Does the labour office notify Imm' of the WP being cancelled?

No and no.

8 minutes ago, overherebc said:

If the OP flies in with a SETV or wants a 30 day VE entry and the IO sees he has a still valid ie valid as stamped in his PP would telling the IO that he is no longer working be a problem?

He could ask not to use the re-entry permit. He could say that he does not intend to work anymore.

[overherebc]

So in fact the best way is for the OP to fly in, have 20,000 baht to show, a flight ticket out and it would help to have a print out of a hotel booking and he should have no problems?

[xvend]

If you only want to collect your things and can do so within 30 days, just get stamped in as a tourist, that will essentially cancel any extension of stay. 

 

This is assuming you don't care any longer about your extension.

 

I've done this before by accident (always check your stamps before leaving the immigration counter) It can also be corrected by going to immigration.

 

 

[arithai12]

On 3/11/2017 at 4:16 PM, ubonjoe said:

If you have a valid multiple entry non-b visa it would still be valid until it expires.

I was told recently by an agent that if I cancelled my WP,  I would be on overstay from the following day even if my visa extension showed a later date. I was surprised but they were adamant.

 

WP office and immigration might not talk to each other, so this may be relevant only for those who want to change visa (extension) type while still in Thailand and not to the case of the OP.
 

[BritTim]

14 minutes ago, arithai12 said:

I was told recently by an agent that if I cancelled my WP,  I would be on overstay from the following day even if my visa extension showed a later date. I was surprised but they were adamant.

 

WP office and immigration might not talk to each other, so this may be relevant only for those who want to change visa (extension) type while still in Thailand and not to the case of the OP.
 

According to my understanding, your agent was correct. There is a big difference between an entry on a Non B visa (still valid) and an extension based on employment (void as soon as your employment ceases). The normal recommendation is, if possible, to get a letter from your employer in advance indicating the last day of employment. The immigration office will postdate the cancellation of your extension, and you can arrange your affairs accordingly.

 

The OP is in a weird situation, with an extension that should be voided (along with the re-entry permit) but no obvious way of achieving it. My assumption would be that immigration at the airport can do the cancellation on entry with appropriate documentation showing the work permit was canceled. However, I do not know that for a fact.

[sikishrory]

On 11/03/2017 at 8:10 PM, BritTim said:

Strictly speaking, is it not true that the extension of stay (and thus any re-entry for it) ceases to be valid once the employment ceases? This seems to me a nasty edge case where, although unlikely, one could end up in hot water.

I agree. When my work permit finished I still had about 4 months left on my extension. I just went to penang and got a tourist visa before it expired. Had no problems with anything.

[ThaiWai]

On 3/11/2017 at 6:05 PM, wimmel said:

The extension of stay is what you pay for at immigration right? I haven't been to immigration since I received my original work permit and visa at immigration (May 2016).

 

I have a multiple entry non-b visa. So if I return do I just have to go directly to immigration, or is there no rush?

No, you did not receive your work permit or your visa at "Immigration".  Maybe you should find out where you are before you decide where to go.  Read your passport.  

[ThaiWai]

16 hours ago, xvend said:

If you only want to collect your things and can do so within 30 days, just get stamped in as a tourist, that will essentially cancel any extension of stay. 

 

This is assuming you don't care any longer about your extension.

 

I've done this before by accident (always check your stamps before leaving the immigration counter) It can also be corrected by going to immigration.

 

 

Any extension would already be invalid, it's not a matter of caring or not.

[Suradit69]

On 3/12/2017 at 10:53 AM, wimmel said:

Ok it looks like I have both a reentry permit and an extension of stay. I really cant risk getting stuck in Thailand as I start a new job soon. Should I speak to immigration separately when I land in Bangkok? Should I be coming in on the non-imm B or tourist visa? 

You wouldn't still have a valid non-imm B and an extension. Look at the actual visa sticker you received from an embassy to see the expiration date.

 

The extension is an extension of your permission to stay in Thailand. It is NOT an extension of the visa. The visa has an expiry or use-by date which is when the validity of the visa for use to enter the country ceases. The re-entry permit is tied to your extension and the extension ends with the reason for it ... employment in your case ... ends.

 

You'll either need to get a tourist visa or enter on a visa exempt entry, assuming you're eligible for one.