British police says responding to serious incident at Manchester Arena

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Prbkk said:

The harsh reality and inescapable truth is that it is virtually impossible to stop this kind of attack. Security can stop a bomber getting inside but doesn't have much control outside ( if that's what happened, as seems likely). We saw that at Stade de France and it hasn't gone unnoticed. Dreadful.

 

To completely stop all such attacks is impossible. To curb the capability of terrorist carrying out such attacks is feasible, but often comes with a price paid in civil rights. Guess it's a question of balance and threat.

[Grouse]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Goebbels would be so proud...  That's how they did it, too,

Strong measures are required to teach lessons. BTW Goebbels was into propaganda not demolition.

[Khun Han]

Death toll at 22 now. RIP.

[goldenbrwn1]

6 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

It will be interesting to find out whether the US sources are telling the truth - or whether US sources are lying.

 

One implies that Brit. authorities are hiding the truth for no discernible reason?

The Brits are second to none on this kind of thing. Let them do what they need to do. They have their reasons if they are withholding information.

[Flustered]

Just now, lovelomsak said:

Please man up and tell us what you are referring to as more powerful ways or other ways. many of us here are tired of alternative ways that have not worked so come clean with the answer on other ways to deal with this other than violence.

Stop baiting. You know exactly what he means.

 

This is a sick attack from sick people.

 

Unless the Muslim community step up to the plate and start to report these people rather than hide them, things will only get worse. The answer is in the hands of the Muslim community......Country first, religion second.

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Strong measures are required to teach lessons. BTW Goebbels was into propaganda not demolition.

 

I'm not saying it wouldn't feel good.  But we're better than that.  

 

Freedoms that we enjoy aren't easy.    Millions of our country men fought and died for them.   And once the government starts collective punishment, where are they going to stop?

 

If your cousin gets banged up for trafficking drugs, they can knock down your house because he comes over on Christmas?

 

On an aside, had we read the same headline when I was a kid, we'd be writing about the damned Irish...

 

[champers]

13 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I would make their whole community responsible. I would condemn whole blocks of housing as being unsanitary and demolish them all. No compensation. Then build affordable housing on the new brown field sites.

 

That's one idea. No violence, no unpleasantness. Just a bit of a clean up.

A pogrom. Not unpleasant at all.

[the guest]

5 hours ago, johna said:

Some British politician today will say "we will not be defeated by terrorism" there will be no mention of muslims in that speech.

 

That is because the UK is too politically correct, and won't call a 'spade a spade'. 

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Manchester Arena blast: 22 dead and 59 hurt

Twenty-two people, including children, are now known to have been killed and 59 injured in a suspected terror attack at Manchester Arena.

 

The blast happened at 22:35 BST on Monday following a pop concert by the US singer Ariana Grande.

 

Greater Manchester Police said the lone male attacker, who died in the blast, was carrying an improvised explosive device which he detonated.

 

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-40010124

 

 

-- © Copyright BBC 2017-05-23

[simple1]

27 minutes ago, transam said:

So if the rule of law was to hang murdering terrorists (who by the way are killing their own religious folk) you would be OK with that....?

Yes.

[dick dasterdly]

9 minutes ago, goldenbrwn1 said:

The Brits are second to none on this kind of thing. Let them do what they need to do. They have their reasons if they are withholding information.

Yes, Jean Charles De Menzes springs to mind (edit - killed by Special Forces on the tube who had screwed up)...  Unfortunately for them, they were a bit slow and eye-witnesses were telling news crews exactly what they had seen before anyone could stop them....

[brewsterbudgen]

 
You'd have to post a link to that survey for me to find those results credible.  Including how the questions were worded.  
 
I can get 99% of the citizens of the USA to say that guns are a bad thing (in the hands of mentally deranged people in kindergarten classes).
 
I'm not saying it's not possible.  Just not likely.

I have a feeling that no credible link to this "survey" will be forthcoming. Just unhelpful, inflammatory posturing.

[impulse]

1 minute ago, the guest said:

That is because the UK is too politically correct, and won't call a 'spade a spade'. 

   

Or, it could be that they don't want gangs of Britain's youth going around beating the crap out of random, innocent Muslims.

[thaibeachlovers]

31 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just off Aussie tv. It may have been a backpack and by implication not a suicide bomber.

The latest British news says the person carrying the device ( ?backpack ) died in the blast, so disregard my quote.

[the guest]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Past atrocities in the UK, like 7/7, were committed by born and bred Britons. 

• Mohammad Sidique Khan: aged 30. Khan detonated his bomb just after leaving Edgware Road tube station on a train travelling toward Paddington, at 8:50 am. He lived in Beeston, Leeds, with his wife and young child, where he worked as a learning mentor at a primary school. The blast killed seven people, including Khan himself.
• Shehzad Tanweer: aged 22. He detonated a bomb aboard a train travelling between Liverpool Street station and Aldgate tube station, at 8:50 am. He lived in Leeds with his mother and father, working in a fish and chip shop. Eight people, including Tanweer, were killed by the explosion.
• Germaine Lindsay (Abdullah Shaheed Jamal): aged 19. He detonated his device on a train travelling between King's Cross and Russell Square tube stations, at 8:50 am. He lived in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, with his pregnant wife and young son. His blast killed 27 people, including Lindsay himself.
• Hasib Hussain: the youngest of the four at 18, Hussain detonated his bomb on the top deck of a double-decker bus at 9:47 am. He lived in Leeds with his brother and sister-in-law. 14 people, including Hussain, died in the explosion in Tavistock Square.

Common denominator ... they were all Muslim !!!

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

   

Or, it could be that they don't want gangs of Britain's youth going around beating the crap out of random, innocent Muslims.

It's going to happen regardless. Perhaps headscarves/ veils will be a rare sight on the streets soon.

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, the guest said:

• Mohammad Sidique Khan: aged 30. Khan detonated his bomb just after leaving Edgware Road tube station on a train travelling toward Paddington, at 8:50 am. He lived in Beeston, Leeds, with his wife and young child, where he worked as a learning mentor at a primary school. The blast killed seven people, including Khan himself.
• Shehzad Tanweer: aged 22. He detonated a bomb aboard a train travelling between Liverpool Street station and Aldgate tube station, at 8:50 am. He lived in Leeds with his mother and father, working in a fish and chip shop. Eight people, including Tanweer, were killed by the explosion.
• Germaine Lindsay (Abdullah Shaheed Jamal): aged 19. He detonated his device on a train travelling between King's Cross and Russell Square tube stations, at 8:50 am. He lived in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, with his pregnant wife and young son. His blast killed 27 people, including Lindsay himself.
• Hasib Hussain: the youngest of the four at 18, Hussain detonated his bomb on the top deck of a double-decker bus at 9:47 am. He lived in Leeds with his brother and sister-in-law. 14 people, including Hussain, died in the explosion in Tavistock Square.

Common denominator ... they were all Muslim !!!

 

2.8 million Muslims in the UK.  (That's 2,800,000) You've found 4 baddies.  (That's 4)

 

But let's round 'em all up and send them...where?   Well, that's a good question.

 

[dick dasterdly]

15 minutes ago, Flustered said:

BBC confirmed suicide bomber and now 22 dead.

 

The religion of peace strikes again, this time kids.

Sad that we heard this unimportant information (i.e. suicide bomber) from the US, not Brit. authorities .

[stephenterry]

3 minutes ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Manchester Arena blast: 22 dead and 59 hurt

Twenty-two people, including children, are now known to have been killed and 59 injured in a suspected terror attack at Manchester Arena.

 

The blast happened at 22:35 BST on Monday following a pop concert by the US singer Ariana Grande.

 

Greater Manchester Police said the lone male attacker, who died in the blast, was carrying an improvised explosive device which he detonated.

 

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-40010124

 

 

-- © Copyright BBC 2017-05-23

One now dead person involved, which should ease the fear in Manchester. Now the police should focus on all this man's contacts, relatives and associates to weed out and deport others with the same intentions. If May is to make Brexit worthwhile it's being able to get rid of these terrorists without being stopped by the EU legal system.

Freedom of movement? Boll****

[Flustered]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

Sad that we heard this unimportant information (i.e. suicide bomber) from the US, not Brit. authorities .

Wow, the suicide bomber was from America!

 

I am listening to the news while typing but no mention of the bombers nationality, where did that surface,? I missed it.

[Jack Mountain]

5 minutes ago, the guest said:

• Mohammad Sidique Khan: aged 30. Khan detonated his bomb just after leaving Edgware Road tube station on a train travelling toward Paddington, at 8:50 am. He lived in Beeston, Leeds, with his wife and young child, where he worked as a learning mentor at a primary school. The blast killed seven people, including Khan himself.
• Shehzad Tanweer: aged 22. He detonated a bomb aboard a train travelling between Liverpool Street station and Aldgate tube station, at 8:50 am. He lived in Leeds with his mother and father, working in a fish and chip shop. Eight people, including Tanweer, were killed by the explosion.
• Germaine Lindsay (Abdullah Shaheed Jamal): aged 19. He detonated his device on a train travelling between King's Cross and Russell Square tube stations, at 8:50 am. He lived in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, with his pregnant wife and young son. His blast killed 27 people, including Lindsay himself.
• Hasib Hussain: the youngest of the four at 18, Hussain detonated his bomb on the top deck of a double-decker bus at 9:47 am. He lived in Leeds with his brother and sister-in-law. 14 people, including Hussain, died in the explosion in Tavistock Square.

Common denominator ... they were all Muslim !!!

... and had their home/root countries (cluster)bombed by the UK? Just a guess ...

[brewsterbudgen]

• Mohammad Sidique Khan: aged 30. Khan detonated his bomb just after leaving Edgware Road tube station on a train travelling toward Paddington, at 8:50 am. He lived in Beeston, Leeds, with his wife and young child, where he worked as a learning mentor at a primary school. The blast killed seven people, including Khan himself.
• Shehzad Tanweer: aged 22. He detonated a bomb aboard a train travelling between Liverpool Street station and Aldgate tube station, at 8:50 am. He lived in Leeds with his mother and father, working in a fish and chip shop. Eight people, including Tanweer, were killed by the explosion.
• Germaine Lindsay (Abdullah Shaheed Jamal): aged 19. He detonated his device on a train travelling between King's Cross and Russell Square tube stations, at 8:50 am. He lived in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, with his pregnant wife and young son. His blast killed 27 people, including Lindsay himself.
• Hasib Hussain: the youngest of the four at 18, Hussain detonated his bomb on the top deck of a double-decker bus at 9:47 am. He lived in Leeds with his brother and sister-in-law. 14 people, including Hussain, died in the explosion in Tavistock Square.

Common denominator ... they were all Muslim !!!

Yes we know that. British Muslims.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Sad that we heard this unimportant information (i.e. suicide bomber) from the US, not Brit. authorities .

Some people want to confirm information before spreading it, others don't mind spreading unconfirmed rumours.

[dick dasterdly]

23 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

It will be interesting to find out whether the US sources are telling the truth - or whether US sources are lying.

 

One implies that Brit. authorities are hiding the truth for no discernible reason?

I gather its now been confirmed that the US sources were telling the truth (no skin off their nose as it didn't happen in their country), whilst UK authorities preferred to hide the truth for a while - for no discernible reason other than it being an automatic reaction?

[the guest]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

2.8 million Muslims in the UK.  (That's 2,800,000) You've found 4 baddies.  (That's 4)

 

But let's round 'em all up and send them...where?   Well, that's a good question.

 

Turn the table, if foreigners from EU were doing the same in Thailand, what do you think would happen? I can tell you, the population would be on a rampage hunting out every foreigner, and demanding the government to check them all out. 

[Flustered]

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes we know that. British Muslims.

Not quite.

 

Muslim British.....There is a difference.

[sandrabbit]

1 hour ago, Caps said:

Wow...must be true then, maybe the US officials should let the UK Police etc do their work

 

Condolences to the families  

It was just a comment from what was happening on the news at the time and has proven to be correct. happy now?

[ResandePohm]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Sad that we heard this unimportant information (i.e. suicide bomber) from the US, not Brit. authorities .

We all know that with President Trump thinking its ok to give away secrets from allies the US should never be trusted with secrets

[impulse]

1 minute ago, the guest said:

Turn the table, if foreigners from EU were doing the same in Thailand, what do you think would happen? I can tell you, the population would be on a rampage hunting out every foreigner, and demanding the government to check them all out. 

 

Hardly a standard of governance to aspire to...

 

I suppose you'd have done the same to the Catholics had this story come out 30 years ago for an IRA bombing?

 

 

 

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Sad that we heard this unimportant information (i.e. suicide bomber) from the US, not Brit. authorities .

Some media outlets allege UK Police first briefed US authorities,of probability of suicide attack. based upon forensics - makes sense