PM May's lead falls to 3 pct points, YouGov poll shows a week before UK election

[dunroaming]

What I find inexcusable about the latest from May is that she is not condemning Trump over his pulling out of the Paris Agreement.  Is she seeking the same isolation that Trump clearly is for the USA?

 

The other European countries have already condemned her reluctance to face up to the Americans and this is clearly going to make her negotiating stance over Brexit even harder (if that is possible).

[baboon]

4 hours ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

Unfortunately, someone has to pay for all Corbyn's promised goodies.  Labour are indeed very good at spending other peoples' money as they have proved many times in the past.

Unfortunately, someone has to pay for the roads you drive on, the bins you want emptied and other such goodies...

[Retiredandhappyhere]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

Unfortunately, someone has to pay for the roads you drive on, the bins you want emptied and other such goodies...

Yes, I am well aware of that because I am still paying my full share even though I no longer live there. Labour just wants to add to the tax burden and not just for the rich!

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Interesting post.  The problem is that Corbyn, whilst I am sure he is a decent man with good principles, is not what people see as a Prime Minister and with Diane Abbot at his side I think she does far more harm than good.  A coalition is a possibility but that would be used as a process to remove the Tories and not as an answer to the countries woes.

 

Brexit is an enormous problem for whoever is in power but it is what we are lumbered with and it is going to be painful.

You are right about Corbyn, however many enthusiastic young supporters he has he will always have problems with the average voter in middle England. I am surprised that he is doing as well as he appears to be at the moment. I see the right wing press desperately trying to say vote Labour get SNP when both parties have played down any talk of coalition. 

 

The thing that is most depressing to me about Brexit, apart from our complete betrayal of the younger generation, is the thought of all those old, leave voting expats in Spain etc, coming home to be a burden on our NHS when they can't get Spanish healthcare any longer!

[baboon]

17 minutes ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

Yes, I am well aware of that because I am still paying my full share even though I no longer live there. Labour just wants to add to the tax burden and not just for the rich!

The poor can't pay any more. They are too busy down at the food bank. Strong and Stable penury for them...

Edited June 2, 2017 by baboon

[vogie]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

The poor can't pay any more. They are busy down at the food bank. Strong and Stable penury for them...

Oh perlease, who are these people at the foodbanks, any links, are any of these people strong enough to go to work? There were reports the other week that nurses were down at the banks, if they can't make ends meet on £25000 a year, maybe they should get a better paying job? We are becoming a nation of whingers, when are people going to take responability for their own lives, the world doesn't owe anybody a favour. I agree lets look after our sick and infirm, but come on!

[baboon]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

Oh perlease, who are these people at the foodbanks, any links, are any of these people strong enough to go to work? There were reports the other week that nurses were down at the banks, if they can't make ends meet on £25000 a year, maybe they should get a better paying job? We are becoming a nation of whingers, when are people going to take responability for their own lives, the world doesn't owe anybody a favour. I agree lets look after our sick and infirm, but come on!

Who are the people at food banks? Poor ones.

What do you need links to, are you saying food banks don't exist or what?

Are any of them strong enough to go to work? How the bloody hell should I know?

You agree with looking after the sick and infirm but nurses should just just piss off if they don't like their job or have their own personal tribulations? I notice how you quote the salary for a band 5 nurse and conveniently ignore 1 - 4.

 

Jesus, some of the people on here...

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, baboon said:

Who are the people at food banks? Poor ones.

What do you need links to, are you saying food banks don't exist or what?

Are any of them strong enough to go to work? How the bloody hell should I know?

You agree with looking after the sick and infirm but nurses should just just piss off if they don't like their job or have their own personal tribulations? I notice how you quote the salary for a band 5 nurse and conveniently ignore 1 - 4.

 

Jesus, some of the people on here...

Some people will always be poor, ie the ones that don't want to work, it is too easy this day and age to put your hand out and get money that someone else has worked hard for. Have you ever thought how many are capable of working, do you think we are responible for people that don't want work, I know generations of families that have never done a days work in their life.

But don't worry as soon as Corbyn gets in benefits will be going up for all and sundry.

BTW do you always feel the need to add an aside to the end of your replies to all who don't agree with you?

[ilostmypassword]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Some people will always be poor, ie the ones that don't want to work, it is too easy this day and age to put your hand out and get money that someone else has worked hard for. Have you ever thought how many are capable of working, do you think we are responible for people that don't want work, I know generations of families that have never done a days work in their life.

But don't worry as soon as Corbyn gets in benefits will be going up for all and sundry.

BTW do you always feel the need to add an aside to the end of your replies to all who don't agree with you?

Given your still unacknowledged distortion about nurses' pay, his aside turns out not to have been out of line.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Given your still unacknowledged distortion about nurses' pay, his aside turns out not to have been out of line.

These are the bands of a fully qualified nurse, I acknowledge it is an elephant in the room for some, but I still think nurses going to food banks is very strange to say the least. I also acknowledge that the NHS is a very touchy subject to a lot of people.

 

Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £21,692 rising to £28,180 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. Salaries in London attract a high-cost area supplement. With experience, in positions such as nurse team leader on Band 6, salaries progress to £26,041 to £34,876.

[baboon]

21 minutes ago, vogie said:

Some people will always be poor, ie the ones that don't want to work, it is too easy this day and age to put your hand out and get money that someone else has worked hard for. Have you ever thought how many are capable of working, do you think we are responible for people that don't want work, I know generations of families that have never done a days work in their life.

But don't worry as soon as Corbyn gets in benefits will be going up for all and sundry.

BTW do you always feel the need to add an aside to the end of your replies to all who don't agree with you?

So everyone in employment can easily pay for his or her food, accommodation, council tax, food, utilities, clothing and travelling expenses? Even those on zero hours contracts?

Edited June 2, 2017 by baboon

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, baboon said:

So everyone in employment can easily pay for his or her food, accommodation, council tax, food, utilities, clothing and travelling expenses? Even those on zero hours contracts?

What about the people who don't want work, it seems you fail to address this?

[baboon]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

These are the bands of a fully qualified nurse, I acknowledge it is an elephant in the room for some, but I still think nurses going to food banks is very strange to say the least. I also acknowledge that the NHS is a very touchy subject to a lot of people.

 

Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £21,692 rising to £28,180 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. Salaries in London attract a high-cost area supplement. With experience, in positions such as nurse team leader on Band 6, salaries progress to £26,041 to £34,876.

You said nurses on £25000 are using food banks. Now you are acting as if nursing team leading positions are going begging once they get a bit of experience under their belts. You still make no mention of nursing staff on pay bands 1-4.

[baboon]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

What about the people who don't want work, it seems you fail to address this?

What about them? Because a system can be abused on occasion then it should be shut down and everybody left to rot?

I mean, read your posts and one would think half the ruddy country is on the scrounge...

Edited June 2, 2017 by baboon

[Grouse]

7 minutes ago, baboon said:

What about them? Because a system can be abused on occasion then it should be shut down and everybody left to rot?

You boys are both behind the curve. Automation, robotics and AI are going to massively reduce the amount of human labour required. We need a better settlement between capital and labour. Allowance for all? 3 day weekends? Any ideas? Or how about a revolution?

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, baboon said:

You said nurses on £25000 are using food banks. Now you are acting as if nursing team leading positions are going begging once they get a bit of experience under their belts. You still make no mention of nursing staff on pay bands 1-4.

Bands 1 to 4 are not qualified nurses, they are drivers and assistants etc. When I was working I had no need to go to a foodbanks because I worked, I worked 7 days a week, neven took an annual holiday, now I can sit back and enjoy my life. Some people should not have to rely on handouts, some people are quite capable of working but it is all to easy put their hand out and receive money for nothing. It's patently obvious we are never going to agree, I find socialism, especially Corbyns Marxist socialism very worrying indeed. So just lets just agree to disagree.

[baboon]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

You boys are both behind the curve. Automation, robotics and AI are going to massively reduce the amount of human labour required.

That still won't prevent Thaivisa posters calling the then jobless scroungers...

[dunroaming]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

So just lets just agree to disagree

Don't want to interfere in the exchange but it is such an old debate spreading back years and neither side rarely sees the others.  Not worth the raised blood pressure guys!

[baboon]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

Bands 1 to 4 are not qualified nurses, they are drivers and assistants etc. When I was working I had no need to go to a foodbanks because I worked, I worked 7 days a week, neven took an annual holiday, now I can sit back and enjoy my life. Some people should not have to rely on handouts, some people are quite capable of working but it is all to easy put their hand out and receive money for nothing. It's patently obvious we are never going to agree, I find socialism, especially Corbyns Marxist socialism very worrying indeed. So just lets just agree to disagree.

I'm afraid not. Let's agree that your diatribe leading to this discussion was out of line.

Edited June 2, 2017 by baboon

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Don't want to interfere in the exchange but it is such an old debate spreading back years and neither side rarely sees the others.  Not worth the raised blood pressure guys!

I'm afraid it is as far as I am concerned...

[Kadilo]

The reality is everyone is only a couple of bad news days away from a food bank no matter how comfortable you may think you are.

Of course there are abusers, those that don't want to work along with those who don't pay enough tax etc.

What is turning this election is arrogance on an extreme level. Will it be enough? I doubt very much.

The media will begin to find all kinds of scare tactics to keep hold of their power and influence.

Corbyn is not everyone's cup of tea for sure but what he has is humility, honesty, and a connection with people who are genuinely struggling.

Now he has had a chance to represent himself rather than being constantly attacked in the media people are beginning to realise he ain't actually that bad and although they may not see him as Prime Ministerial he most certainly is not the person he has been portrayed as.

All the name calling and personal attacks on him by May and the Tories have backfired on her big style by her refusal to debate with this ''scruffy, weak, unelectable leader of the opposition'.

If he was all the those things they and the press have called him wouldnt you want to expose them in a 121?

She has another chance tonight. Let's see who the weak one is.

 

 

 

 

 

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[vogie]

6 minutes ago, baboon said:

I'm afraid not. Let's agree that your diatribe leading to this discussion was out of line.

Just because you do not agree with someones elses opinion it does not make you right, open your thinking up, it is a trait that some marxists and trots are saddled with, socialists are usually too blind to see whats happening in the real world, a good example would be JC himself, Diane Abbott and John McDonald, would you honestly have faith in these people running the economy, me nah!

 

[dunroaming]

It is no longer a matter of who you think will be the best to run the country, it has become far more personal.  None of the parties are truly fit for purpose but this election will be about protesting and in a weird way a bit like the US one. As the week goes by it is coming closer to a hung parliament and that is not healthy at all.

 

So do you vote for the hugely dislikeable and untrustworthy May or take a chance on Corbyn and his wonky crew?  A very sorry state of affairs and actually getting quite hard to call.

[mommysboy]

11 hours ago, vogie said:

I'm not too worried if Labour win, what with Comrade Corbyn, Diane Abbott (Labours equivalent of Carol Vorderman) and Marxist McDonald, what could possibly go wrong?

 

 

 

Couldn't be much worse than 'weak and wobbly' and the rest of the goons currently in office.

[vogie]

Just now, mommysboy said:

Couldn't be much worse than 'weak and wobbly' and the rest of the goons currently in office.

You forgot to add 'IMO' after your sentence.

[Kadilo]

You forgot to add 'IMO' after your sentence.

Just to be consistent so did you on every post so far.


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[baboon]

27 minutes ago, vogie said:

Just because you do not agree with someones elses opinion it does not make you right, open your thinking up, it is a trait that some marxists and trots are saddled with, socialists are usually too blind to see whats happening in the real world, a good example would be JC himself, Diane Abbott and John McDonald, would you honestly have faith in these people running the economy, me nah!

 

Yes, much more so than the vultures and asset strippers of the 'Conservative' party. What is even conservative about them?

 

[vogie]

14 minutes ago, baboon said:

Yes, much more so than the vultures and asset strippers of the 'Conservative' party. What is even conservative about them?

 

Peter Hitchen is talking about Cameron, Mrs May has succeeded him now, we can all dredge up pointless and useless information about the candidates we like or dislike, here is one of Peter Hitchens discussing Labour, fast forward to 2.30 secs if you don't want to veiw all. The link is available not sure of the video?

 

https://youtu.be/EsU0lMlBOv8

[baboon]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

Peter Hitchen is talking about Cameron, Mrs May has succeeded him now, we can all dredge up pointless and useless information about the candidates we like or dislike, here is one of Peter Hitchens discussing Labour, fast forward to 2.30 secs if you don't want to veiw all. The link is available not sure of the video?

 

https://youtu.be/EsU0lMlBOv8

There are plenty of other videos on YouTube where Hitchens discusses the modern Conservative party. Of course you won't want to hear it so you will simply brush it to the side.

[buick]

if may doesn't get the vote, she may surpass clinton in the ratings for most botched election.  at least clinton can make alot of money via speaking fees after her disaster.  i doubt may can do the same.  this will be fun to watch.