How can I block my own property from being fraudulently transfered?

[trogers]

48 minutes ago, JaseTheBass said:

I'm not sure foreigners are to blame for a large number of Thais having no morals.

You can find people with loose or little morals the world over. Many are in top positions of society.

 

You choose your life partner. You set your own standards. Bear in mind, the concept of marriage in Asia is not like in the West. It's not just a union of two persons. It's also a union of two families.

[bazza73]

1 hour ago, fatdrunkandstupid said:

Really, you voluntarily inform your government about your bank accounts in Thailand.

Yes, really. The penalties for supplying incorrect information to Centrelink include jail terms.

Yes, I know there are Aussie expats in Thailand who conceal their property ownership, assets and marital status from Centrelink. They are the ones who lie awake at night worrying about whether a linkup between Thai and Australian bureaucracies will eventually expose them.

I don't have to, because I play it straight.

[bazza73]

2 hours ago, trogers said:

I don't jump into a marriage. Been here in 1983, and got married in 1995.

Your information provides material for endless speculation, but I'll let it go. Perhaps another explanation is you just got lucky?

[natway09]

The most obvious way to get ripped off here is "an inside job".

I know a guy  who left documents around the house & his wife used them to borrow gambling monies.

So, Invest in a safe. No photocopies laying around.

The grilling we got at the land office I doubt if many scams involving them would get through anymore

[trogers]

1 hour ago, bazza73 said:

Your information provides material for endless speculation, but I'll let it go. Perhaps another explanation is you just got lucky?

You can live an easy going life of luck, or one of observation and planning. I spent over a decade to understand the local culture and way of thinking.

 

And I had dated my wife for three years, and we were engaged for another three before we got married. This was the time spent to know each other and the family of the other party. 

 

I thus did not end up being an ATM  in the thoughts of my wife and in-laws. If you raise such thoughts and aspirations in them before marriage, don't be surprised there may be attempts to cheat you of your money later when you stop being the ATM.

[Confuscious]

4 hours ago, KittenKong said:

 

This happens far more often here than most people appreciate. Why? Because the perpetrators are rarely prosecuted and everything is hushed up to save face.

 

In my opinion your wife should have been jailed, the bank manager should have been demoted for incompetence and whoever did approve the paperwork should be fired and possibly jailed too if he was implicated. But I bet that none of that ever happened. In fact I bet that there is no written trace of this scam at all.

I still have all the original documents and the documents from the tourist police.

But as you said, a court case would have cost me lots of money and time and the real perpetrators would have been excused for their actions.

Ask yourself if you would be ready to spend lots of money and time if that happened to your Condo.

[bazza73]

1 hour ago, trogers said:

You can live an easy going life of luck, or one of observation and planning. I spent over a decade to understand the local culture and way of thinking.

 

And I had dated my wife for three years, and we were engaged for another three before we got married. This was the time spent to know each other and the family of the other party. 

 

I thus did not end up being an ATM  in the thoughts of my wife and in-laws. If you raise such thoughts and aspirations in them before marriage, don't be surprised there may be attempts to cheat you of your money later when you stop being the ATM.

It's possible to be an ATM without it getting out of control. That's why 80% of my assets are still in Australia.

You've obviously approached the marriage with great caution. I'm not married, and never will be again.

I don't worry too much about the modest sums needed to support my Thai GF. She's honest and careful with money, which is all one can ask for in a country where poverty is the lot of most of the population.

[KittenKong]

2 hours ago, Confuscious said:

I still have all the original documents and the documents from the tourist police.

But as you said, a court case would have cost me lots of money and time and the real perpetrators would have been excused for their actions.

Ask yourself if you would be ready to spend lots of money and time if that happened to your Condo.

 

Dont get me wrong: I was criticising Thai crime prevention/punishment, not you. And I was particularly criticising the Thai way of covering everything up and pretending it never happened, which happens constantly here. I find that utterly despicable.
I dont see that it's your job as a victim to spend your own time and money to punish the wrongdoers. And of course it's not your job to punish bad bank employees at all: the bank should do that.

 

As to whether I would bother following up such a loss, it would all depend on the amount of course. For the amount you described, probably not.

[Confuscious]

8 hours ago, trogers said:

I don't jump into a marriage. Been here in 1983, and got married in 1995.

The time you take searching the "perfect" woman for you or waiting to marry has no meaning.

A friend of mine, Eckhard P., meet his girlfriend (a Thai girl from Korat) in Germany.
She was working at the local hospital as a nurse.
He was a salesman for LEGO.
Both were living in Germany, working in Germany and never been to Thailand before.
After 4 years, they married in Germany and has 1 son.
They were the happiest couple in the world.

In 2002, he took his retirement "full at once" and they came to live in Korat.
They bought a very big house, 2 Toyota Fortuner (1 for him and 1 for his wife) and were enjoying his old days.
Every day, he was bringing his son to the school and was talking about his plans to make a few chalets on his property to rent out to tourists.
A few times, we went to his house, and his wife was making plans to sell a "Health drink" that she made herself.

2 years later, on a Friday, a few "friends (girls)" came over and convinced her to go with them on a weekend to "Poi Pet".
Visit the market and see the environment.
She went with the girls.
But what should be a weekend full of joy, ended in a disaster.
She had gambled in a Casino the house and the 2 SUV and lost them.
She never showed her face again and is still on the run for the gamblers who owns money from her.
Eckhard was visited on Monday by the gamblers who showed him the documents that they owned everything now en was asked to leave the house.
He spoke to a few lawyers, but nobody wanted to burn his hands on the Casino Maffia.
1 week later, Eckhard was back in Germany with his son.
Broken, without a dime and homeless.

Eckhard works now again for LEGO and rent a flat in Germany.

Think WHERE you are and WHAT you are before discussing how to protect a Condo.

[fatdrunkandstupid]

3 hours ago, bazza73 said:

That's why 80% of my assets are still in Australia.

Can you really get by in Thailand with just $200 dollars in your Thai bank account.

[trogers]

25 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

The time you take searching the "perfect" woman for you or waiting to marry has no meaning.

A friend of mine, Eckhard P., meet his girlfriend (a Thai girl from Korat) in Germany.
She was working at the local hospital as a nurse.
He was a salesman for LEGO.
Both were living in Germany, working in Germany and never been to Thailand before.
After 4 years, they married in Germany and has 1 son.
They were the happiest couple in the world.

In 2002, he took his retirement "full at once" and they came to live in Korat.
They bought a very big house, 2 Toyota Fortuner (1 for him and 1 for his wife) and were enjoying his old days.
Every day, he was bringing his son to the school and was talking about his plans to make a few chalets on his property to rent out to tourists.
A few times, we went to his house, and his wife was making plans to sell a "Health drink" that she made herself.

2 years later, on a Friday, a few "friends (girls)" came over and convinced her to go with them on a weekend to "Poi Pet".
Visit the market and see the environment.
She went with the girls.
But what should be a weekend full of joy, ended in a disaster.
She had gambled in a Casino the house and the 2 SUV and lost them.
She never showed her face again and is still on the run for the gamblers who owns money from her.
Eckhard was visited on Monday by the gamblers who showed him the documents that they owned everything now en was asked to leave the house.
He spoke to a few lawyers, but nobody wanted to burn his hands on the Casino Maffia.
1 week later, Eckhard was back in Germany with his son.
Broken, without a dime and homeless.

Eckhard works now again for LEGO and rent a flat in Germany.

Think WHERE you are and WHAT you are before discussing how to protect a Condo.

He met the girl in Germany and married her in Germany. A union of two persons.

 

He did not know her background nor her family back here in Thailand. No union of two families.

 

Things went wrong when he brought all his wealth into Thailand with full ignorance on the real person his wife is.

 

The wise don't put all the eggs into one basket.

[fatdrunkandstupid]

14 minutes ago, trogers said:

He met the girl in Germany and married her in Germany. A union of two persons.

 

He did not know her background nor her family back here in Thailand. No union of two families.

 

Things went wrong when he brought all his wealth into Thailand with full ignorance on the real person his wife is.

 

The wise don't put all the eggs into one basket.

And to have lots of eggs.  

 

LEGO must of paid poor wages.  

 

The loss of a house in Nakon Nowhere (14 years ago) and two Toyotas wiped him out entirely.  What are we talking about here 4 or 5 million baht.

Edited June 6, 2017 by fatdrunkandstupid

[trogers]

43 minutes ago, fatdrunkandstupid said:

And to have lots of eggs.  

 

LEGO must of paid poor wages.  

 

The loss of a house in Nakon Nowhere (14 years ago) and two Toyotas wiped him out entirely.  What are we talking about here 4 or 5 million baht.

The big house and two SUVs in the farm district would already be an indication of building one's face among peers.

 

Spending on branded goods would had been a habit.

[bazza73]

1 hour ago, fatdrunkandstupid said:

Can you really get by in Thailand with just $200 dollars in your Thai bank account.

You are living up to your nom de plume - Thai bank accounts are in baht.

[Enoon]

13 hours ago, trogers said:

Shows that who you choose as a life partner is the life you would lead.

 

You harvest what you plant...

Gal 6:7

 

Blessed are the cheesemakers...

Brian Life:Of

 

Edited June 6, 2017 by Enoon

[lkn]

19 hours ago, lucjoker said:

Never give copy of chanout to anyone. 

I gave copy of my chanote to PEA when I had to get my meter registered to my name, I also gave a copy to Krungsri Bank, because condo ownership was one of the options for how a foreigner could open an account with them.

 

 

Quite sure you can’t do anything with a copy of a chanote, the Land Office want the real thing, which is larger than an A4 page and on cardboard paper.

 

Would be nice if OP would come back and tell us how exactly someone tried to transfer his condo to another name, although as suggested earlier, I also assume that it is about a company owned condo.

 

[catman20]

18 hours ago, Confuscious said:

 

My wife is not my wife anymore.
Booted her out a long time ago.

i still dont understand after living here 20 years as to why farangs find it compulsory to marry ! 

[catman20]

9 hours ago, trogers said:

He met the girl in Germany and married her in Germany. A union of two persons.

 

He did not know her background nor her family back here in Thailand. No union of two families.

 

Things went wrong when he brought all his wealth into Thailand with full ignorance on the real person his wife is.

 

The wise don't put all the eggs into one basket.

im not now married and never would re marry made that mistake one time a long time ago but i think your being a bit hard on the poor guy my advise would of been never to of got married to anyone here or in Germany. poor man cant help feeling sorry for him.

Edited June 6, 2017 by catman20

[Confuscious]

9 hours ago, fatdrunkandstupid said:

And to have lots of eggs.  

 

LEGO must of paid poor wages.  

 

The loss of a house in Nakon Nowhere (14 years ago) and two Toyotas wiped him out entirely.  What are we talking about here 4 or 5 million baht.

The house only was 35,000,000 Baht.
A house near the center of Korat is very expensive.
Not a rice field.
I don't know if you are fat, but you are certainly matching the rest of your nickname.
Get a bit of information about land and house prices in Korat before writing such BS.

 

[williet98248]

19 hours ago, bazza73 said:

Sigh.... renters don't have these problems. Drum roll and cue the property owner trolls.

Perhaps not as expensive but similar.  I was about six months into a lease that I had signed with a Thai lady when a Swedish guy, a couple of cops and some other people (lawyers?) showed up at my door.  He claimed the house was his and his soon to be ex wife had no right to rent it as well as sell his his car and motorcycle while he was visiting Sweden.  I told him I would continue to pay the original lessor until he got it sorted but I moved out a couple of months later.

[Confuscious]

30 minutes ago, catman20 said:

i still dont understand after living here 20 years as to why farangs find it compulsory to marry ! 

I came to Thailand with exactly the same thoughts about marriage as you.
No plans to marry ever again.
No children anymore.
Just enjoying my retired life.

When I meet my girlfriend, she guaranteed that she was "cut" and could have no children anymore.
But 2 years later, she was pregnant from an "Immaculate reception" and I married her for the child's sake.

[catman20]

1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

I came to Thailand with exactly the same thoughts about marriage as you.
No plans to marry ever again.
No children anymore.
Just enjoying my retired life.

When I meet my girlfriend, she guaranteed that she was "cut" and could have no children anymore.
But 2 years later, she was pregnant from an "Immaculate reception" and I married her for the child's sake.

good for you, i would of been on my toes. i had a vasectomy as not to fxck my life up

[NanLaew]

7 hours ago, lkn said:

I gave copy of my chanote to PEA when I had to get my meter registered to my name, I also gave a copy to Krungsri Bank, because condo ownership was one of the options for how a foreigner could open an account with them.

 

 

Quite sure you can’t do anything with a copy of a chanote, the Land Office want the real thing, which is larger than an A4 page and on cardboard paper.

 

Would be nice if OP would come back and tell us how exactly someone tried to transfer his condo to another name, although as suggested earlier, I also assume that it is about a company owned condo.

 

When providing copies of any document to a third party, be it bank, land office, property developer, immigration... anyone; in lieu of the party requesting the copy placing their official signature placement stamp on the document (like they do at most Immigration office), you should cross through part of the scanned image with 2 parallel line, sign and date the copy and add the reason for the copy between the parallel lines. You see Thai's doing this as a basic security measure on scans of ID cards and the like. It is also the main reason why most hotel check-in clerks ask you to sign the copy they made of your passport. If they don't offer any scanned copy for you to sign, insist on it.

[fatdrunkandstupid]

4 hours ago, Confuscious said:

The house only was 35,000,000 Baht.
A house near the center of Korat is very expensive.
Not a rice field.
I don't know if you are fat, but you are certainly matching the rest of your nickname.
Get a bit of information about land and house prices in Korat before writing such BS.

 

Going to have to call BS on that one.

 

A house in Korat 14 years ago selling for 35,000,000 THB.

 

Whatever...

[theguyfromanotherforum]

The house only was 35,000,000 Baht.
A house near the center of Korat is very expensive.
Not a rice field.
I don't know if you are fat, but you are certainly matching the rest of your nickname.
Get a bit of information about land and house prices in Korat before writing such BS.
 

Your story was hard to believe in the first place....

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[Peterw42]

There is a big hole in what the OP is asking, if someone can forge signatures, bribe land office etc, then logically they could do the same for any actions or blocks in place.

All of these stories end up being some buying through a company (or thai wife owns etc) and not doing due diligence etc.

[BEVUP]

On 6/6/2017 at 7:52 AM, SOUTHERNSTAR said:

You can get a family member to register a small bond over the property or a longterm lease or a usufruct. 

& the property can still be sold

[BEVUP]

On 6/6/2017 at 11:53 AM, NanLaew said:

Or even the nominal 5 baht that is traditionally offered to the spouse in an uncontested divorce settlement?

 

(I didn't even give her that)

 

BTW, the divorce (about 28 years ago) was ultimately triggered by the fact that while I was away at work, she had re-mortgaged the house with the original lending bank. I didn't know about it until after we had a fight and we parted ways. A few weeks later, the bank came calling to see her as she hadn't made loan repayments for about 3 months.

 

On this, my second Thai rodeo, I know the importance of my signature and as advised by others herein, certain important papers stay completely under my control.

Yes happens all to often & it's about 100% of the time for a family member who pressured them so they could start some crazy buisness or even buy a cheap house for their family 

That's when the fun starts all rosy to start with then they also want the new car & find out that they are busting their buts of to pay for both & survive as well.So in the end they just stop paying (no doubt on the wifes house since Falang has lots of money) & not even having the gumption to tell her till it's all to late (that's where the letter comes in)

Then the worst insult of all is that they don't even try to give you 1 bht directly to try & pay it back as your family is about to lose the property 

[trogers]

9 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

Yes happens all to often & it's about 100% of the time for a family member who pressured them so they could start some crazy buisness or even buy a cheap house for their family 

That's when the fun starts all rosy to start with then they also want the new car & find out that they are busting their buts of to pay for both & survive as well.So in the end they just stop paying (no doubt on the wifes house since Falang has lots of money) & not even having the gumption to tell her till it's all to late (that's where the letter comes in)

Then the worst insult of all is that they don't even try to give you 1 bht directly to try & pay it back as your family is about to lose the property 

Thus, the Asian test for the union of two families: Go or No Go?

[lkn]

4 hours ago, NanLaew said:

12 hours ago, lkn said:

[…] Quite sure you can’t do anything with a copy of a chanote […]

When providing copies of any document to a third party, be it bank, land office, property developer, immigration... anyone; in lieu of the party requesting the copy placing their official signature placement stamp on the document (like they do at most Immigration office), you should cross through part of the scanned image with 2 parallel line […]

Can you give an example of how a copy of my chanote can be misused?

 

Or even a non-signed copy of my passport ID (compared to one that is signed and dated)?