American tourist who died at remote waterfall "insulted the spirits" say Koh Samui locals

[rkidlad]

32 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

quote from the OP  " Police and foundation rescue staff had to trek three kilometers on foot to reach the victim and other tourists. They were in a steep and rocky area not officially opened for tourism due to its inaccessibility."

 

So if those highly sophisticated Westerners with all their accumulated scientific knowledge completely ignored the fact that the area was not officially opened for tourism due to its inaccessability, that makes them smarter than the highly suprstitious locals who actually don't go to that area.

 

Westerners are smarter than Thais are they?

Where did I say Westerners are smarter than 'Thais'? Why is this a West Vs. Thai thing? Are there not Thais who use science as a measure for applying common sense?

 

You've inferred that for your own agenda.  I'm having a go at people who think that using superstition is somehow endearing. It's not. Whether it be in the West or Thailand, this mentality is detrimental to moving forward. 

 

It's 2017. There are no spirits, ghosts or bogeymen. There never were. 

 

 

 

 

[bbbbooboo]

hmmmm..... if this were true there would be thousands of similar deaths each year..... I doubt it very much

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

Koh Samui locals must really be fed up with tourists if they think like this. Like they deserve to die just because they piss in a waterfall.  

[gandalf12]

I wonder how many people who post on TV have any religious beliefs? Probably most on here would call them self Christian or one of the other established cults. If so I would suggest they take a close look at their belief and see all the issues that others would call stupid. For example does anyone really believe the Red Sea was actually parted so they could walk over? Really? Come on, every area of the world has its own beliefs and if you look closely at them all they are basically the same. The difference is the way it is presented to its immediate audience.

[owl sees all]

13 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

No superstitions here....but if he really peed on a sacred area?...what to say?....was he dizzy due to some other reason? what to say?.

This reminds me of that train derailment up north a few years back when heavy rain washed away some of the track support. They sent the train through hoping it would be OK; but it derailed. The Thai railway authority blamed it on the workers who built the line in the first place; citing that they were not good enough Buddhists.

[AlphMichaels]

Be he a soul reviled & labeled perpetrator of an act steeped in the inanity of dogma... or simply (more likely) a young guy not paying attention.., R.I.P.   28 years young is TOO young.   

[darksidedog]

5 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

The spirit who was offended has now been identified as gravity.

If there as any spirit involved it probably came in a 700 ml bottle with a Sang Som label on the front..

[off road pat]

5 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Yes, things like religion were created to control people and for someone reason it's still working. Now we are progressing as societies and we can use law and order to deter people from doing harm. We can use science to to deter people from trying to defy gravity, etc. 

 

Using knowledge we can move forward and progress as a species. Using old nonsensical superstitious claptrap keeps some people in the stone ages. Opinions never change facts. People have the right to believe in whatever they want. Just like other people have the right to think that belief is stupid and detrimental to our well-being and progression. 

Rkidlad, Your post made my day.....So good !!!! thx ! respect !!!

[billd766]

16 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Where did I say Westerners are smarter than 'Thais'? Why is this a West Vs. Thai thing? Are there not Thais who use science as a measure for applying common sense?

 

You've inferred that for your own agenda.  I'm having a go at people who think that using superstition is somehow endearing. It's not. Whether it be in the West or Thailand, this mentality is detrimental to moving forward. 

 

It's 2017. There are no spirits, ghosts or bogeymen. There never were. 

 

 

 

 

 

But you are inferring for your own agenda that if Thais are superstitious  and don't belive in science then they cannot be as smart as Westerners who DO believe in science.

 

If in 2017 you don't believe in spirits, ghosts or bogeymen that is up to you. Other people do which is up to them.

 

 

[owl sees all]

10 minutes ago, gandalf12 said:

I wonder how many people who post on TV have any religious beliefs? Probably most on here would call them self Christian or one of the other established cults. If so I would suggest they take a close look at their belief and see all the issues that others would call stupid. For example does anyone really believe the Red Sea was actually parted so they could walk over? Really? Come on, every area of the world has its own beliefs and if you look closely at them all they are basically the same. The difference is the way it is presented to its immediate audience.

"Religion poisons everything." The late, great, Christoper Hitchens.

[wirat69]

Remote inaccessible area with waterfall, spirits... all the ingredients for bootleg!!!

[dieseldave1951]

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

If you put that on your travel insurance claim they''ll start asking for the descriptions

of the 'spirit' it's make model and plate number...

or maybe bottled spirits ???

 

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

American tourist who died at remote waterfall "insulted the spirits" say Koh Samui locals

BS

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

They said that there had been two tourist deaths and three injuries before this latest incident and an insult was the likely cause of death.

Double BS.

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

 

But you are inferring for your own agenda that if Thais are superstitious  and don't belive in science then they cannot be as smart as Westerners who DO believe in science.

 

If in 2017 you don't believe in spirits, ghosts or bogeymen that is up to you. Other people do which is up to them.

 

 

I didn't 'infer' anything. I 'implied' that superstitious beliefs are nonsensical and do damage to societies. 

 

Like I said; people have the right to believe in whatever they like. Just like I have the right to believe that their beliefs are horribly misinformed and for the stone age. 

 

Anyone who believes in science and not superstition 'is' literally smarter, yes. Regardless of their skin colour, sex, nationality, religion or creed. Stop making this an us Vs them thing. 

[F4UCorsair]

Can we look forward to My mate Nate, and the egocentric Doi Suthep vegan crank handle going over a cliff soon?   we can live in hope!!

[Na Lee]

 
But you are inferring for your own agenda that if Thais are superstitious  and don't belive in science then they cannot be as smart as Westerners who DO believe in science.
 
If in 2017 you don't believe in spirits, ghosts or bogeymen that is up to you. Other people do which is up to them.
 
 

Wich belief again has even a Holy Ghost?

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[Tonawatchee]

Its bad enough having to deal with all the big face issues that plague us in this life let alone having to deal with it again in the next.

[EnlightenedAtheist]

Let's agree. There are stupid people everywhere in the world: Thais and foreigners. This story proves it. 

 

While the belief that some external "entity" causes accidents or casts spells,...is quite universal, let me remind the Thais who believe this that Romans and Greeks believed that gods were causing lightning, floods, tsunamis,... because they did not know the real causes. Sounds of cracks in the house are likely rats running around, not ghosts. We now know that there are scientific phenomena that cause these things. Aren't Thai teachers teaching this? This is so backward.

 

Not to say that Western culture is that much better, but at least we teach that we must face and own our errors and we don't subscribe anymore to the idea that gods and such are in charge. Maybe the "farangs" are not that stupid. 

 

Still, was it a fall or someone pushed him? Was he alone? 

[Get Real]

6 hours ago, daboyz1 said:

Will "insulted sprits" be the official cause on the death certificate? 

I guess the police report will be same hard to write.

But, who knows. Maybe it will twist and turn. Finally it will be a travel companion that gave him a small push!

Oooohh! Good grief! The spirit is real!

[observer90210]

6 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

It is easy to mock the local people for their beliefs, but having spent a long time in rural Asia (outside of Thailand) I have a slightly different take.

 

I always found that the local animism and the concurrent belief in 'spirits' was more a way to try and live in harmony with nature, In olden days, the easiest way to express what we now call environmentalism and common sense in dealings with nature was to ascribe what they saw to a supernatural presence, and by heeding the 'spirits', local people adapted themselves to their local conditions.

 

I think it is true that the guy slipped on a rock. That said. the local belief might actually have been saying "don't go there or you might slip on a rock". It is just expressed in a different manner.

 

Cheers

 

at last something intelligent that makes sense....well said my friend!

[PoorSucker]

Off topic, troll posts and responses removed.

[PomPolo]

I guess the spirit in question will be getting moved to an "inactive post"

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[SpeakeasyThai]

So.

[Foozool]

How do tourists find all holly places for swimming in the middle of no where ? 

[balo]

He can only blame himself RIP. 

[nervona81732]

Well stated Samui Bodoh. I agree 100%

 

[jak2002003]

6 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Yes, things like religion were created to control people and for someone reason it's still working. Now we are progressing as societies and we can use law and order to deter people from doing harm. We can use science to to deter people from trying to defy gravity, etc. 

 

Using knowledge we can move forward and progress as a species. Using old nonsensical superstitious claptrap keeps some people in the stone ages. Opinions never change facts. People have the right to believe in whatever they want. Just like other people have the right to think that belief is stupid and detrimental to our well-being and progression. 

And the unfortunate American will be flow back to America and have a Christian Funeral with prayers and people believing he has been taken by God.. as it was his time, or the Devil or Demons killed him, and now he will have eternal life with Jesus and God on a fluffy cloud.

 

And you think the world is more developed or human minds progressed more?

[PremiumLane]

7 hours ago, clockman said:

Third world, and always will be!

most Americans believe in heaven, hell and angels - 3rd World? No different

[madusa]

Is it not possible to have a long piece of rope with one end tie to a tree before you descend from the top? But if you are trying to climb up it would be more of a problem and higher risk of falling to your death. Those rocks are slippery when wet. No grip at all.

If you consult a Tarot Card gypsy before you climb, you may receive a card that says "Youthful Folly".