District chief defends Pattaya bar raids

[NanLaew]

23 hours ago, pumpjack said:

that colombian trip is seems now even more tempting ...f***   pattaya & the junta

Don't forget to pack your kevlar.

[NanLaew]

22 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

The vast majority of prostitution in Pattaya is unrelated to human trafficking and a lot of human trafficking in Thailand is unrelated to prostitution.  So I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

With the caveat that your comment applies solely to the sex business as it applies to foreigners in Pattaya and Thailand.

 

When it comes to the supply and demand for the solely local sex market for local clientele, that's a whole different ball game that foreigners are generally not permitted to participate in let alone have an opinion on.

[NanLaew]

21 hours ago, Thaidream said:

They don't care about Karaoke Bars because they are discrete and not in your face- they want to stop Thailand from being labelled with sex and they believe this can be done by forcing most of the GoGos to close and control places like Soi 6 which is way too overt -with scantily clad girls very visible to those outside.  As far as Bangkok- Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy are definitely on the chopping block. This time it is for real as the military will most likely be in power for a long time

Yes. It is very much a case of "As I Say, Not As I Do."

[NanLaew]

51 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Uh? Where is this Casino in Pattaya ? 20 years and unused? Must be ruins...

Ambassador City Jomtien.

 

Truly a case (of the long game version) of "If they build it (and things change and gambling is legalized), they will come."

[Pattaya46]

5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Ambassador City Jomtien.

Truly a case (of the long game version) of "If they build it (and things change and gambling is legalized), they will come."

It's an hotel, a big one full of Russian, and it's fully operational, not something built and unused for more than 20 years...??

Or maybe you mean there is a smallish Casino somewhere in this big building ?

BTW it's very far from Pattaya center and I would bet that - in the case where a Casino could be opened legally - Pattaya authorities would want it inside the city.

[NanLaew]

2 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

It's an hotel, a big one full of Russian, and it's fully operational, not something built and unused for more than 20 years...??

Or maybe you mean there is a smallish Casino somewhere in this big building ?

BTW it's very far from Pattaya center and I would bet that - in the case where a Casino could be opened legally - Pattaya authorities would want it inside the city.

Think outside the box. The place spent maybe 20 of its total 30 years years existence with absolutely NO Russians. Hardly anyone stayed there, most of the otherwise (five) empty buildings in the compound were unused but maintained. That's five buildings that each contain 150 to 2,000 suites plus eight restaurants, several bars and nightclubs, a convention center, and a sports/fitness facility that claims to have Asia's largest swimming pool and it isn't running at 100% occupancy even now. And it still hasn't gone broke?

[tlcwaterfall]

2 hours ago, newnative said:

It's already being transformed.  Whether or not casinos come, Pattaya will survive and thrive.  I invite you to observe Bali Hai Pier around 5pm or 6pm every evening.  I invite you to observe the north Pattaya area I mentioned in my post.  Dowdy Central Center utterly transformed into Central Marina.  Massive Terminal 21 going up at  a very fast rate.  Brand new highrise hotel, not sure of the name yet, about to be finished.  Another highrise hotel still under construction. Siam@Siam.  Holiday Inn doubled in size.  Centric Sea Condo.  New, huge, Grand Pallazo Hotel.  Amari Hotel bulldozing half of its property to start construction on 2 new, more luxurious hotels.  New, name-brand fast food restaurants going in--including 3 McDonalds and a Burger King.  The Bay shopping center.  Chang Beer's land subsidiary buying Grand Sole Hotel, Imperial Hotel, and a lot of old shop houses next to Grand Sole--in addition to the huge empty lot it already owns.   Lots of smaller, boutique hotels opened in the past few years.  I could go on.  All of this is in the vicinity of Soi 6, which I think explains why Soi 6 is being targeted.  That's just one part of town--I haven't even touched on all the development in Naklua/Wongamat, Cosy Beach, Jomtien, Na Jomtien, etc.

Would love to read your post. But without paragraphs it makes it quite difficult.

 

[janclaes47]

2 hours ago, newnative said:

The Bay shopping center.  Chang Beer's land subsidiary buying Grand Sole Hotel, Imperial Hotel, and a lot of old shop houses next to Grand Sole--in addition to the huge empty lot it already owns.

 

The Bay shopping center, that's the one that has about 3 occupants, right?

 

About Chang Beer buying all the land is simply a case of having too much money on their hands because they got privileged by the government for decades, and being able to dictate the price in that area.

 

But that doesn't mean that they will have buyers, or when they build on it themselves that it will be successful.

 

The Terminal 21 may be a success, at least at the beginning, but it will be at the cost of the others.

 

Trees don't tend to grow to the sky.

[whatawonderfulday]

2 hours ago, kaorop said:

Last week we rode our bicycles the full length of beach rd, fine sunny afternoon, it was so quiet you would have thought it was 6 am in the morning, this applied right across the route we traveled from huay yai. I've done this ride countless times in the last 5/6 years, never seen it quieter.. Maybe get the car checked it might be leaking fumes?

And the carbon monoxide fumes could be affecting his eyesight and  activity within the cranium perhaps. But there again this forum is full of delusional people who st ate something is or is not happening when in fact it is only what they wish to happen or not happen as the case may be.

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

The Bay shopping center, that's the one that has about 3 occupants, right?

At the moment, yes.

 

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

About Chang Beer buying all the land is simply a case of having too much money on their hands because they got privileged by the government for decades, and being able to dictate the price in that area.

Deflection, next?

 

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

But that doesn't mean that they will have buyers, or when they build on it themselves that it will be successful.

By the same token, based on the success of several dedicated malls and department stores built as malls and department stores, there's absolutely no evidence that they will be a disaster either. Even the much ridiculed The Avenue hasn't ever come close to being shuttered, abandoned or bulldozed.

 

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

The Terminal 21 may be a success, at least at the beginning, but it will be at the cost of the others.

Absolutely no 'may' in this. Huge, ongoing success at the cost of what? Cash-strapped 'developers' that built a shopping mall, come shop house strip mall, come market bazaar come flea market because they never, ever had a cohesive development plan in the first place and didn't have any idea about the future?

 

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

Trees don't tend to grow to the sky.

....OK, you got me on that one.

 

4 - 1

 

!!!Result!!!

[janclaes47]

20 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

At the moment, yes.

 

Deflection, next?

 

By the same token, based on the success of several dedicated malls and department stores built as malls and department stores, there's absolutely no evidence that they will be a disaster either. Even the much ridiculed The Avenue hasn't ever come close to being shuttered, abandoned or bulldozed.

 

Absolutely no 'may' in this. Huge, ongoing success at the cost of what? Cash-strapped 'developers' that built a shopping mall, come shop house strip mall, come market bazaar come flea market because they never, ever had a cohesive development plan in the first place and didn't have any idea about the future?

 

....OK, you got me on that one.

 

4 - 1

 

!!!Result!!!

 

You seem to have all the answers. NOT. Are you and that other resident apologist related?

 

Yes the bay has only 3 occupants, however it was officially opened after a long delay several months ago, so what makes you think it will ever be a success?

 

No idea what you mean with deflection, but it is a known and well documented FACT, that the government privileged Thaibev when they launched Chang and allowed them to pay much lower alcohol taxes than the other brewers, on the excuse that Chang was the poor mans beer.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charoen_Sirivadhanabhakdi

 

Links to former prime minister of Thailand

Prem Tinsulanonda, the former military general and prime minister of Thailand who sat on ThaiBev's board of directors in the early-2000s, helped rescue Charoen's Surathip Group, the distributor of Chang beer, in 1986. The company at the time owed 14 billion baht (approximately US$450 million) to banks and 6 billion baht (approximately US$190 million) to the state before Tinsulanonda reportedly stepped in to help the company gain a monopoly over the liquor industry by restructuring contracts to reduce annual "burdens".^[16] Chang was also reportedly classified as an "economy brand", which meant a lower excise tax.^[17]

 

 

The past has never been a guarantee for the future, so why you want to claim the success of past built malls has anything to do with future is beyond me.

 

I also didn't say that it would be a failure, only that success isn't guaranteed, so you may know that it is against forum rules to change the meaning of my post.

 

So Terminal 21 in Pattaya is already a great success, although it hasn't been built yet ? Talk about being desperate in defending a lost cause.

 

So that makes it 5-0 in my favorite.

 

Please don't bother to respond, coz I will put you on ignore, as I have told you a few times in the past already that you are a poor excuse for an apologist and don't want to waste my time on reading your posts .

 

At least that other resident apologist knows how to dig up some facts.

[Lovethailandelite]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Think outside the box. The place spent maybe 20 of its total 30 years years existence with absolutely NO Russians. Hardly anyone stayed there, most of the otherwise (five) empty buildings in the compound were unused but maintained. That's five buildings that each contain 150 to 2,000 suites plus eight restaurants, several bars and nightclubs, a convention center, and a sports/fitness facility that claims to have Asia's largest swimming pool and it isn't running at 100% occupancy even now. And it still hasn't gone broke?

I was going to play him a long a Little longer. I think we both realise that Casino operators require everything in house. They don't build in bar areas and look to drag the down and outs from places like Soi 6 inside to spend there 200bht. That is exactly why the Ambassador was chosen in the first place. No distractions around it and not a lot apart from a few restaurants and a 7/11 to distract the money flow.
The Ambassador has absolutely everything as you said incl direct access to a pretty nice beach. If you haven't been in there a while, then call in. It has and continues to have a fortune spent on it. Oh, and I think it has 2228 operational rooms available for rent but has capacity for many more. It was at one time, the biggest hotel in the world, built for one purpose :) .

[newnative]

5 hours ago, kaorop said:

Last week we rode our bicycles the full length of beach rd, fine sunny afternoon, it was so quiet you would have thought it was 6 am in the morning, this applied right across the route we traveled from huay yai. I've done this ride countless times in the last 5/6 years, never seen it quieter.. Maybe get the car checked it might be leaking fumes?

Wondered when the 'Pattaya is Dead' Chorus was going to burst into song.

[Jeremy50]

19 hours ago, hottrader77 said:

 human trafficking, crime, prostitution, drugs and guns there wont be anyone going to pattaya if they wipe out that lot .

thats what i go for , going to bed with a 20 year old girl when im in my 50s cannot beat it ! im sure the chief of police does it ha ha 

where would all these girls go and work and support their families or kids , i say bring down the cost of a roll in the hay to say 300 baht 

and pattaya would be booming !!

Spare a thought for the 20year old. I doubt she is thinking: Going to bed with a fat 50 year old foreigner when I am 20, can't beat it!

[newnative]

4 hours ago, tlcwaterfall said:

Would love to read your post. But without paragraphs it makes it quite difficult.

 

Try my earlier post--I remembered to use paragraphs.

[newnative]

2 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said:

And the carbon monoxide fumes could be affecting his eyesight and  activity within the cranium perhaps. But there again this forum is full of delusional people who st ate something is or is not happening when in fact it is only what they wish to happen or not happen as the case may be.

Everything I 'stated' is happening or has happened so where am I being delusional?  Be specific and, as always, neatness counts.

[whatawonderfulday]

4 minutes ago, newnative said:

Everything I 'stated' is happening or has happened so where am I being delusional?  Be specific and, as always, neatness counts.

It is only happening in your eyes as others have pointed out.  Therefore you are delusional.  How specific can I get.  Get over it and face up to reality as Pattaya is not going to change anytime soon just because in your mind you wish it to.

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

Please don't bother to respond, coz I will put you on ignore, as I have told you a few times in the past already that you are a poor excuse for an apologist and don't want to waste my time on reading your posts .

Put me on ignore.

 

PULEEEZE!!!!!!

[kaorop]

53 minutes ago, newnative said:

Wondered when the 'Pattaya is Dead' Chorus was going to burst into song.

My post isnt delusional, though one of ours is.

 

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

 

You seem to have all the answers. NOT. Are you and that other resident apologist related?

 

Yes the bay has only 3 occupants, however it was officially opened after a long delay several months ago, so what makes you think it will ever be a success?

 

No idea what you mean with deflection, but it is a known and well documented FACT, that the government privileged Thaibev when they launched Chang and allowed them to pay much lower alcohol taxes than the other brewers, on the excuse that Chang was the poor mans beer.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charoen_Sirivadhanabhakdi

 

Links to former prime minister of Thailand

Prem Tinsulanonda, the former military general and prime minister of Thailand who sat on ThaiBev's board of directors in the early-2000s, helped rescue Charoen's Surathip Group, the distributor of Chang beer, in 1986. The company at the time owed 14 billion baht (approximately US$450 million) to banks and 6 billion baht (approximately US$190 million) to the state before Tinsulanonda reportedly stepped in to help the company gain a monopoly over the liquor industry by restructuring contracts to reduce annual "burdens".^[16] Chang was also reportedly classified as an "economy brand", which meant a lower excise tax.^[17]

 

 

The past has never been a guarantee for the future, so why you want to claim the success of past built malls has anything to do with future is beyond me.

 

I also didn't say that it would be a failure, only that success isn't guaranteed, so you may know that it is against forum rules to change the meaning of my post.

 

So Terminal 21 in Pattaya is already a great success, although it hasn't been built yet ? Talk about being desperate in defending a lost cause.

 

So that makes it 5-0 in my favorite.

 

Please don't bother to respond, coz I will put you on ignore, as I have told you a few times in the past already that you are a poor excuse for an apologist and don't want to waste my time on reading your posts .

 

At least that other resident apologist knows how to dig up some facts.

You are relatively new which is evidenced by the regular labeling of anyone who illuminates your poorly constructed, largely ill-reasoned and somewhat naive opinions for what they are as being a 'Thai apologist'.

 

Deflection is going off on a tangent about shonky Thai business dealings which, like similar in many other countries, aren't completely unknown. Restating them with links to articles alleging corrupt practices by a much respected still serving senior statesmen who also leads the Privy Counsel is just a bigger (and rather dangerous) deflection. It doesn't bloody matter how they got the money, they have it and they will build it and they will come.

 

Do you know how many Terminal 21's there are, how many are planned and who is the money behind them? I claimed that the Pattaya one will be a resounding success after it is completed. The previous land owner/developer, pretty much like yourself, didn't have a bloody clue.

 

Lovely own goals there. Don't you ever get bored picking the ball out of the back of your own net?

[newnative]

34 minutes ago, whatawonderfulday said:

It is only happening in your eyes as others have pointed out.  Therefore you are delusional.  How specific can I get.  Get over it and face up to reality as Pattaya is not going to change anytime soon just because in your mind you wish it to.

How specific can you get?  That's funny.  You didn't get specific at all.  But, no surprise there. 

[janclaes47]

9 hours ago, newnative said:

You are still focused on the bars.  That's not where the new tourists are. 

 

You're right, the new tourists are bused in, all wear the same color of cap or carry the same color of towel.

 

But that are not the tourists that bring in the big money.

 

look for a new crackdown, because it looks as if the bus company that had more than 2000 buses confiscated in the last crack down has found a way around it.

 

You may have noticed that in the past few weeks a mass of brandnew buses, all from one and the same company, have appeared.

Edited July 2, 2017 by janclaes47

[NanLaew]

24 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

look for a new crackdown, because it looks as if the bus company that had more than 2000 buses confiscated in the last crack down has found a way around it.

 

You may have noticed that in the past few weeks a mass of brandnew buses, all from one and the same company, have appeared.

After the shut down of about three companies that were banking big time on Chinese zero-baht tourism, the junta swiftly realized that the Chinese tourist market was the only demographic that would make their tourist forecasts anywhere achievable. So they simply legitimized zero-baht tourism and lined up the 'correct' local partners to take over the suspended businesses and buses.

 

Some interesting points in this article and also this one.

 

The same thing happened with the import of certain 'illegal' ED medications from India. They disappeared off the market overnight with allegedly seven 40' sea containers full of the stuff impounded by Thai Customs. About 3 weeks later, after the 'approved' importers took over the business, the drugs reappeared at a slightly higher price.

[Italian guy]

On 6/30/2017 at 2:27 PM, Rimmer said:

damaging Pattaya’s reputation

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

15 hours ago, newnative said:

It's already being transformed.  Whether or not casinos come, Pattaya will survive and thrive.  I invite you to observe Bali Hai Pier around 5pm or 6pm every evening.  I invite you to observe the north Pattaya area I mentioned in my post.  Dowdy Central Center utterly transformed into Central Marina.  Massive Terminal 21 going up at  a very fast rate.  Brand new highrise hotel, not sure of the name yet, about to be finished.  Another highrise hotel still under construction. Siam@Siam.  Holiday Inn doubled in size.  Centric Sea Condo.  New, huge, Grand Pallazo Hotel.  Amari Hotel bulldozing half of its property to start construction on 2 new, more luxurious hotels.  New, name-brand fast food restaurants going in--including 3 McDonalds and a Burger King.  The Bay shopping center.  Chang Beer's land subsidiary buying Grand Sole Hotel, Imperial Hotel, and a lot of old shop houses next to Grand Sole--in addition to the huge empty lot it already owns.   Lots of smaller, boutique hotels opened in the past few years.  I could go on.  All of this is in the vicinity of Soi 6, which I think explains why Soi 6 is being targeted.  That's just one part of town--I haven't even touched on all the development in Naklua/Wongamat, Cosy Beach, Jomtien, Na Jomtien, etc.

More hotels and shopping malls that will just shuffle the tourists around and leave more empty rooms and shops. It's always the same, build more and more, like beer bars, so eventually there is one for each tourist.

There is a letter in the press today about what they are doing to one of the previously unspoiled beaches. As for ThaiBev, just a bunch of crooks. Central Pattaya, like soi 6 is a dump with all the katoy/kamoys and the other low-lifes.

The marina is 20 years to late, same as the pier.

I'll stick with what I said. I'll be dead and gone before it becomes a family resort.

 

[maxpower]

On 7/2/2017 at 9:37 AM, newnative said:

It's already being transformed.  Whether or not casinos come, Pattaya will survive and thrive.  I invite you to observe Bali Hai Pier around 5pm or 6pm every evening.  I invite you to observe the north Pattaya area I mentioned in my post.  Dowdy Central Center utterly transformed into Central Marina.  Massive Terminal 21 going up at  a very fast rate.  Brand new highrise hotel, not sure of the name yet, about to be finished.  Another highrise hotel still under construction. Siam@Siam.  Holiday Inn doubled in size.  Centric Sea Condo.  New, huge, Grand Pallazo Hotel.  Amari Hotel bulldozing half of its property to start construction on 2 new, more luxurious hotels.  New, name-brand fast food restaurants going in--including 3 McDonalds and a Burger King.  The Bay shopping center.  Chang Beer's land subsidiary buying Grand Sole Hotel, Imperial Hotel, and a lot of old shop houses next to Grand Sole--in addition to the huge empty lot it already owns.   Lots of smaller, boutique hotels opened in the past few years.  I could go on.  All of this is in the vicinity of Soi 6, which I think explains why Soi 6 is being targeted.  That's just one part of town--I haven't even touched on all the development in Naklua/Wongamat, Cosy Beach, Jomtien, Na Jomtien, etc.

Yes its wonderful isn't it. Just one problem, they forgot about the infrastructure.

 

On this beautiful evening with our heads stuck up our asses I invite you to observe...

 

Large hotels pumping pool water to keep the room supply working because city water has failed.
Resorts and hotels in constant battle with sewage and waste water disposal.
Over loaded electricity supply that is constantly robbing Peter to pay Paul.
The road network that went well beyond embarrassing several years back.

 

 

[newnative]

8 minutes ago, maxpower said:

Yes its wonderful isn't it. Just one problem, they forgot about the infrastructure.

 

On this beautiful evening with our heads stuck up our asses I invite you to observe...

 

Large hotels pumping pool water to keep the room supply working because city water has failed.
Resorts and hotels in constant battle with sewage and waste water disposal.
Over loaded electricity supply that is constantly robbing Peter to pay Paul.
The road network that went well beyond embarrassing several years back.

 

 

       I've lived all over Pattaya, Pratamnak, and Jomtien and in 7years I've never had a problem with water supply, even during that drought period--but I've always lived in condos.  Have had the electric go off occasionally but I understand PEA is doing some sort of big upgrade so hopefully that will help.  I had a poster call me delusional and dispute my claim that Pattaya Beach Road was busy--they were able to ride their bikes with ease and the roads were as quiet as they've ever seen in 5 or 6 years so, apparently, there are no traffic problems.

        All the examples I used in my post were examples of private industry making major financial investments in Pattaya--in my opinion for the better of Pattaya.  I've said several times in earlier posts that the city needs to step up to the plate and do its part with infrastructure.  Perhaps the big boys spending the tons of money on all these new projects will put some pressure on the city to get going with the improvements.

[maxpower]

10 minutes ago, newnative said:

       I've lived all over Pattaya, Pratamnak, and Jomtien and in 7years I've never had a problem with water supply, even during that drought period--but I've always lived in condos. 

Condos have a predicable demand that is easily buffered. Hotels and resorts are far less predictable and therefore rely on efficient supply. 

[Rimmer]

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