7 hours ago, Dave67 said:

Pretty much why not its the way of the world now.Where is the money going from immigration.? Or do you recommend stopping all immigration?

Contemporary studies show the myth of unregulated immigration (i.e refugee intake) to raise a countries GDP is just that...a Myth. In reality it lowers the GDP and in doing so lowers the living standards of its citizens.

2 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Contemporary studies show the myth of unregulated immigration (i.e refugee intake) to raise a countries GDP is just that...a Myth. In reality it lowers the GDP and in doing so lowers the living standards of its citizens.

Yeah I can see that happening in a country with a welfare state

12 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Contemporary studies show the myth of unregulated immigration (i.e refugee intake) to raise a countries GDP is just that...a Myth. In reality it lowers the GDP and in doing so lowers the living standards of its citizens.

Pretty obvious to all but die hard liberal dreamers, who of course isolate themselves from the consequences of mass immigration

17 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Contemporary studies show the myth of unregulated immigration (i.e refugee intake) to raise a countries GDP is just that...a Myth. In reality it lowers the GDP and in doing so lowers the living standards of its citizens.

As the OP is in reference to the UK I trust you are referencing UK data. So some facts rather than misinformation - refugee intake UK:

 

There are an estimated 118,995 refugees living in the UK. That's just 0.18 per cent of the total

population (65.1 million people).

 

http://www.redcross.org.uk/What-we-do/Refugee-support/Refugee-facts-and-figures

 

Plus more detail...

 

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stats

Off topic post removed.

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

As the OP is in reference to the UK I trust you are referencing UK data. So some facts rather than misinformation - refugee intake UK:

 

There are an estimated 118,995 refugees living in the UK. That's just 0.18 per cent of the total

population (65.1 million people).

 

http://www.redcross.org.uk/What-we-do/Refugee-support/Refugee-facts-and-figures

 

Plus more detail...

 

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stats

I can't be bothered reading your links. Simple as that.

 

Show me where immigration has improved the GDP and the standard of living for UK citizens in the last 30 years.

But please make it real and not mindless statistics from some left wing taxpayer funded organisation.

 

Bear in mind this can be peer reviewed by TVF posters.

 

This should be interesting!!

5 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

I can't be bothered reading your links. Simple as that.

 

Show me where immigration has improved the GDP and the standard of living for UK citizens in the last 30 years.

But please make it real and not mindless statistics from some left wing taxpayer funded organisation.

 

Bear in mind this can be peer reviewed by TVF posters.

 

This should be interesting!!

How about a link to these 'contemporary studies' you mention?

14 minutes ago, Slip said:

How about a link to these 'contemporary studies' you mention?

Do your own research

54 minutes ago, Slip said:

How about a link to these 'contemporary studies' you mention?

 

40 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Do your own research

So much for intellectual integrity.

Edited July 21, 20178 yr by ilostmypassword

43 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

 

So much for intellectual integrity.

Indeed. I had pretty much decided just to ignore this poster, but seeing as you mention it: 

 

He dishonestly takes Dave67’s term ‘immigration’ and changes it to ‘unregulated immigration’, then he wrongly equates that to ‘refugee intake’, hence creating a strawman argument.

 

Simple1 then kindly offered some actual information relevant to the strawman which suggests that, at .18 per cent of the population, refugees are pretty well irrelevant to GDP (Killing off our friend’s strawman argument).

 

At this point friend refuses to even look at the information offered, although it in no way explicitly makes any claims, but rather leaves readers to draw their own conclusions. 

 

He then makes a fresh demand for evidence arguing against the strawman he has just created, and accuses The British Red Cross and The Refugee Council (according to Wiki the leading organization in its field, and with a pedigree dating back to 1954) of being tax-payer funded lefties.

 

Having seen all the above, I give him an opportunity to gain some credibility by providing links to the ‘contemporary studies’ he mentioned, which he refuses to do.

 

I’m not sure if the problem is intellectual integrity, capacity or honesty.

 

Regardless, I don’t think feel a pressing need to go chasing after ‘contemporary research’ that in all likelihood doesn’t even really exist.

I strongly suggest the bickering stop.   Do not misrepresent the posts of members.  

22 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Does that not require something more tangible than innate prejudice?

Well call it pregudice if you like ,but i lived in an "industrial town" there were problems but not more than usual , then over the years the immigrents came ,now its a cess pit of crime and the courts always seem to have people being prosecuted who shall we say "dont look native Brits", so lets say i am one who thinks it may just be down to them

17 hours ago, Thongkorn said:

 As posted before, Most Tv posters have to have their sense of Humor extracted, to join  , and  not have a Father,

Sorry to hear that, did you have a mother?

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

Well call it pregudice if you like ,but i lived in an "industrial town" there were problems but not more than usual , then over the years the immigrents came ,now its a cess pit of crime and the courts always seem to have people being prosecuted who shall we say "dont look native Brits", so lets say i am one who thinks it may just be down to them

As you're British one would expect you would know where to source crimes stats. However, as you obviously don't and haven't bothered to review the link I provided earlier in the topic, a starting point for you....

 

Of 86,000 people in prison in 2014 11,000 were foreign nationals. Of these, 42% were White, 28% were Black, 19% were Asian, 7% C&O and 4% Mixed. The number of White foreign national prisoners has steadily increased during the time-period shown, whilst the number of Black prisoners has steadily decreased. This is most likely a reflection of the changing profile of the foreign national prisoner population by country of origin, including a rise in the number of East European prisoners, particularly Poles, Romanians and Lithuanians, and a decline in the number of Jamaican prisoners108. Numbers of prisoners of Asian, Mixed and C&O ethnicities have remained broadly stable over the time-period

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system

Edited July 22, 20178 yr by simple1

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

As you're British one would expect you would know where to source crimes stats. However, as you obviously don't and haven't bothered to review the link I provided earlier in the topic, a starting point for you....

 

Of 86,000 people in prison in 2014 11,000 were foreign nationals. Of these, 42% were White, 28% were Black, 19% were Asian, 7% C&O and 4% Mixed. The number of White foreign national prisoners has steadily increased during the time-period shown, whilst the number of Black prisoners has steadily decreased. This is most likely a reflection of the changing profile of the foreign national prisoner population by country of origin, including a rise in the number of East European prisoners, particularly Poles, Romanians and Lithuanians, and a decline in the number of Jamaican prisoners108. Numbers of prisoners of Asian, Mixed and C&O ethnicities have remained broadly stable over the time-period

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system

Unfortunately, as we see so often on these types of threads, prejudice, more often than not, trumps fact. 

Off topic posts have been removed. 

On July 21, 2017 at 9:04 AM, baboon said:

While simultaneously slashing police numbers and accuse them of "scaremongering"? But there's the Tories for you.

Oh, and I see the age for state pensions has just been raised to 68. Funny how that wasn't included in their manifesto of a few weeks ago...

Regarding the raising of the state pension age. Do you think any other political party, would do differently?

On July 21, 2017 at 0:02 PM, RuamRudy said:

How about the big rise in people getting caught up in online child pornography; teenagers sexting; revenge porn and the general increase in libidinous behaviour in society as a whole, as our media pushes the boundaries of  what previously was considered to be decency on a daily basis? Or is it really all down to those immigrants?

Certainly down to immigration in some areas. All though  I think not in Manila.

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, Scott said:

I strongly suggest the bickering stop.   Do not misrepresent the posts of members.  

Good name for a pub, that.

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

As you're British one would expect you would know where to source crimes stats. However, as you obviously don't and haven't bothered to review the link I provided earlier in the topic, a starting point for you....

 

Of 86,000 people in prison in 2014 11,000 were foreign nationals. Of these, 42% were White, 28% were Black, 19% were Asian, 7% C&O and 4% Mixed. The number of White foreign national prisoners has steadily increased during the time-period shown, whilst the number of Black prisoners has steadily decreased. This is most likely a reflection of the changing profile of the foreign national prisoner population by country of origin, including a rise in the number of East European prisoners, particularly Poles, Romanians and Lithuanians, and a decline in the number of Jamaican prisoners108. Numbers of prisoners of Asian, Mixed and C&O ethnicities have remained broadly stable over the time-period

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system

About 20 yrs ago, there were approximately 5 white people in UK prisons, to every 2 blacks, and less than one person from the religion of death. Any idea what those figures are now?

52 minutes ago, nontabury said:

About 20 yrs ago, there were approximately 5 white people in UK prisons, to every 2 blacks, and less than one person (changed from inflammatory wording to "Muslim"). Any idea what those figures are now?

Yes. You can access HMG stats, so go for it.

Edited July 22, 20178 yr by simple1

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

Certainly down to immigration in some areas. All though  I think not in Manila.

 

 

 

 

I presume that you have correlated the data that would show a disparity between the offending of immigrants and British born offenders?

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

Regarding the raising of the state pension age. Do you think any other political party, would do differently?

I have no idea. However the Tories are ideologically opposed to any form of public welfare as we have seen over the years.

I have no idea. However the Tories are ideologically opposed to any form of public welfare as we have seen over the years.

 

 

 

Certainly down to immigration in some areas. All though  I think not in Manila.

 

 

 

 

I tend to agree unfortunatly Labour seem to throw money at the dole crowd and make it easier to sit on your backside or pop out loads of kids. You just cant win

Also all those pictures in the papers i see here are now considered "British" if so glad i left

 

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Really wish we could get a geographical breakdown of these statistics along with the ethnicity, family name and visa status ( if not Brit born ) of all the guilty parties.

pretty sure it would confirm what most of us already theorised.

 

As for social welfare. Wasn't that meant to beva last resort to tide you over till you found a job ? Now it has become a f*****  "lifestyle" In the past people were exhausted from a days hard manual work and were glad to get their feet up or grab a pint. Now they are hand fed money, free housing, mobile and a telly. Obviously idle hands make mischief and they can't resist getting involved in drugs, muggings and other easy money pursuits. Bring back the workhouse. Keep em busy if they can't find a real job.

Edited July 22, 20178 yr by Pdaz

26 minutes ago, i claudius said:

 

 

 

 

I tend to agree unfortunatly Labour seem to throw money at the dole crowd and make it easier to sit on your backside or pop out loads of kids. You just cant win

Also all those pictures in the papers i see here are now considered "British" if so glad i left

 

Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

 

 

 

They may be considered British but they are not English.

22 minutes ago, Pdaz said:

Really wish we could get a geographical breakdown of these statistics along with the ethnicity, family name and visa status ( if not Brit born ) of all the guilty parties.

pretty sure it would confirm what most of us already theorised.

 

As for social welfare. Wasn't that meant to beva last resort to tide you over till you found a job ? Now it has become a f*****  "lifestyle" In the past people were exhausted from a days hard manual work and were glad to get their feet up or grab a pint. Now they are hand fed money, free housing, mobile and a telly. Obviously idle hands make mischief and they can't resist getting involved in drugs, muggings and other easy money pursuits. Bring back the workhouse. Keep em busy if they can't find a real job.

Hearing nonsense about how easy it is to spend your life on the dole and get council housing is always wryly amusing. Especially when it comes from the baby boomers, the most selfish and self-entitled generation there ever was...

25 minutes ago, andyg75 said:

They may be considered British but they are not English.

Of course - some may have been born in Wales, Northern Ireland or Scotland. But if they were born in England then they are English, no two ways about it. 

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Of course - some may have been born in Wales, Northern Ireland or Scotland. But if they were born in England then they are English, no two ways about it. 

I don't think many of those in the paper were born in England

10 hours ago, baboon said:

Hearing nonsense about how easy it is to spend your life on the dole and get council housing is always wryly amusing. Especially when it comes from the baby boomers, the most selfish and self-entitled generation there ever was...

I missed that definition by a year. As for self entitled, all I have has been earned by hard work, saving and making the right choices. Came from a poor working class background but was encouraged by my parents to better my lot in life rather than expect everything to be handed to me by the Govt. No decent jobs in the UK when I left school but instead of going on the dole I did a sucession of poorly paid manual jobs until I saved up enough to leave. Arrived in Sydney on a working holiday visa in 1987 found a job the next day and have never been out of work since. If that's selfish I'm guilty as charged. Meanwhile back in the UK there are third generation feckless <deleted> claiming the social cos they are too lazy to get on the bus in the morning or have a mental health issue.  <deleted>