Too many political cases unhealthy for Thai justice

[binjalin]

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Well said, well said, well said!

naive, naive, naive!

[binjalin]

1 hour ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

A military should be controlled by the elected government and removing elected governments not part of their mandate.

 

Not allowing democracy to take its course is the biggest impediment to having a functioning judiciary as we can clearly see with human rights abuses, abduction of activists from foreign countries (that is actually an act of war BTW), arbitrary detentions, military courts etc. 

 

Great article in the Nikkei Times today about the junta costing Thailand a decade in economic growth.

 

 

An inconvenient truth to the few Junta huggers on here. The judiciary is part of their system so no point some crying 'let justice take it's course' as there is no justice here  aka red bull etc.

Edited August 7, 2017 by binjalin

[JigaloJack]

4 hours ago, halloween said:

Too many political cases unhealthy for Thai justice. 

Too many corrupt politicians unhealthy for Thai democracy.

 

 

Hahahaha, you've completely misunderstood the article.

But that Thaksin though hey?

[halloween]

11 minutes ago, binjalin said:

An inconvenient truth to the few Junta huggers on here. The judiciary is part of their system so no point some crying 'let justice take it's course' as there is no justice here  aka red bull etc.

How sweet it would be for the Shinawatras, and their sycophants, if the justice system could be bought like their political positions, or better still, didn't exist at all.

They are blatant enough in their corruption with the slim chance they may be prosecuted for their crimes, give them access to the judges and you will be paying your tax directly into Thaksin's bank account.

[JigaloJack]

4 hours ago, halloween said:

All those people buying jobs, yet you left out the Prime Minister.

Yep , bought with 15,744,190 votes.

[JigaloJack]

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

And if a certain party had respected numerous laws we wouldn't be in this situation at all. 

In recent days, both major english language newspapers in Thailand have run multiple articles on the politicisation of the legal system and the harm it's causing the country and the judiciary.

The response to these articles by junta fans here is hilarious.

#clueless

 

[JigaloJack]

8 minutes ago, halloween said:

How sweet it would be for the Shinawatras, and their sycophants, if the justice system could be bought like their political positions, or better still, didn't exist at all.

They are blatant enough in their corruption with the slim chance they may be prosecuted for their crimes, give them access to the judges and you will be paying your tax directly into Thaksin's bank account.

Geez Mick, you are one avid fanboy - the article is literally about the judicial system here being bought.

Edited August 7, 2017 by JigaloJack

[JigaloJack]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

But unfortunately that corruption and disrespect for the law is ingrained in the social fabric now. People don't bother with laws they don't like. It's very noticeable here how no one's bothering with crash helmets on motor bikes anymore after the last clamp down, people still have 3,4, and more on bikes, under age school children still drive them, without helmets and presumably licenses. And the police do zilch. Not flavor of the month any more. As you go up the very formal social structure, bigger, more important wide ranging laws get ignored with impunity. Why - because they know they can!

The police enforce the law differently seemingly based on how wealthy, well connected, family background. And of course always appear willing to negotiate. Similarly juries aren't used, and judges have the power to interpret the law as they deem in any case without having to take any notice of precedent, unless they want to.

Politicians, whether elected civilians, or coup appointed spend time avoiding, manipulating or twisting laws to suit their own interests and have little interest in changing a system which facilitates great personal wealth. All investigations, prosecutions, are selective, and not evenly applied without favor or bias. All politicians squeal "it's political" as a get out for anything. 

 

Changing this requires a massive effort and must be driven by the people actually wanting change and leaders who can deliver that change which means being fully transparent and everyone respected and supporting the law. Not much chance of that happening any time soon.

Want to know a little about Thai corruption?

Have a wee read here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1993/05/motherjones-mj93-course-corruption/

Kind puts Thaksin's triflings into a little perspective.

 

[JigaloJack]

1 hour ago, halloween said:

Who would you have appoint judges? The elected criminals try their hardest to appoint cronies as head of police depts, would you have them appoint the judges too?

Exactly, politicians should be doing the appointing - they are after all the peoples representatives.

2/3's approval of either house of parliament would ensure a degree of bipartisanship.

Easy problem to solve - makes one wonder why it hasn't already been.

[JigaloJack]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

How can proper democracy function without a robust independent justice system and checks and balances?

You're putting the horse before the cart.

Is there a single modern country in the world that developed an independent justice system without first having a functioning democracy?

[JigaloJack]

1 hour ago, halloween said:

Too many apologists willing to accept corruption allow it to flourish.

Methinks this was type whilst looking directly into the mirror.

[JigaloJack]

21 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Correct.

There's no point in trying to explain this though, there's a common trait of deceit among the Shin obsessives and junta apologists on here.

The Trump trait, repeat a lie often enough and sure enough the easily confused will soon start to believe to be the "real" truth. 

 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/trump-nonstop-lies/

Edited August 7, 2017 by JigaloJack

[JigaloJack]

Current situation thoroughly explained.

 

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=18&ved=0ahUKEwiK6YudvMTVAhULOY8KHSCAAcE4ChAWCGAwBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnysean.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2FMcCargo%20Judicialization%20CSEA%2012.14.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEYdgwb3pIdC9so4VbdHFjAdafVSA

[over it]

Just shut the F up until you have the redbull boy locked up!

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, binjalin said:

An inconvenient truth to the few Junta huggers on here. The judiciary is part of their system so no point some crying 'let justice take it's course' as there is no justice here  aka red bull etc.

 

And you believe the disgraceful and unethical delays, twists and wet excuses of the RTP in regard to the red bull boy can be blamed on the junta? Convenient twist, convenient twist, convenient twist. 

[candide]

2 hours ago, JigaloJack said:

Want to know a little about Thai corruption?

Have a wee read here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1993/05/motherjones-mj93-course-corruption/

Kind puts Thaksin's triflings into a little perspective.

 

Thanks for this very instrutive article. It is striking how history can repeat itself.

[JigaloJack]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

 

And you believe the disgraceful and unethical delays, twists and wet excuses of the RTP in regard to the red bull boy can be blamed on the junta? Convenient twist, convenient twist, convenient twist. 

The police are just as much under the thumb of those above them as anyone else in Thailand.

 

Look what happens when they do their job.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/12043638/Thai-police-general-investigating-human-trafficking-seeks-asylum-in-Australia.html

 

Junta can step in with Section 44 anytime it wants to.

 

 

[pee paub]

Thanks JJ. Very interesting links. Not things many of the posters here are aware of, I'm sure.

[yellowboat]

41 minutes ago, JigaloJack said:

The police are just as much under the thumb of those above them as anyone else in Thailand.

 

Look what happens when they do their job.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/12043638/Thai-police-general-investigating-human-trafficking-seeks-asylum-in-Australia.html

 

Junta can step in with Section 44 anytime it wants to.

 

 

This man's accusations does throw some suspicion on those at the top.  Hope he does not get killed. 

[tomta]

11 hours ago, halloween said:

All those people buying jobs, yet you left out the Prime Minister.

He stole his job

[candide]

On 07/08/2017 at 7:43 AM, JigaloJack said:

Want to know a little about Thai corruption?

Have a wee read here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1993/05/motherjones-mj93-course-corruption/

Kind puts Thaksin's triflings into a little perspective.

 

I could not help but make a few quotes

"Suchinda appointed a Parliament with a majority of current and retired military officers and named Class Five graduates or their allies to every key position in the armed forces. And despite Anand’s attempts to intercede, the junta produced a new constitution that gave it the power to appoint the upper house of Parliament, which in turn could vote to dismiss a government. This constitution also allowed the prime minister to be someone other than an elected member of Parliament."

 

"Suchinda repeatedly assured the nation that he had no interest in becoming prime minister. “My political philosophy is never to become involved in politics–always, unconditionally, period,” he said in November 1991."

" On April 7, saying, “I have sacrificed myself for this matter,” Suchinda announced he would resign his military post and become prime minister."

 

I think I know from whom the current PM draws inspiration.....