Government keeps eye on movement of supporters of former PM Yingluck Shinawatra

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Government keeps eye on movement of supporters of former PM Yingluck Shinawatra

 

BANGKOK, 16th August 2017 (NNT) - The government is keeping an eye on the movement of supporters of former PM Yingluck Shinawatra, who is due to hear the court's verdict on the malfeasance charge against her this month. 

Prime Minister Gen. Prayut Chan-o-cha said on Tuesday however, that the government won't forbid members of the public from showing up at the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions when the judges deliver the verdict in the case against Ms. Yingluck on August 25. 

Gen. Prayut also stated that supporters of the former prime minister must come the court of their own free will and not because they are hired to attend, while warning all of them not to break the law at the gathering. 

The PM added that any suspected move by any local administrative organizations to use state budget to pay people to visit the court will definitely be subject to an investigation. 

Meanwhile, Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Gen. Prawit Wongsuwon has confirmed that no military officers will be deployed at the the court on the day of the court ruling, as that is the responsibility of the police. 

He is also not concerned that any third hand will seek to instigate any disruption on August 25. 

In addition, Secretary-General of the National Security Council, Gen. Taweep Netniyom, said today that the intelligence unit has been following all movements related to the supporters of the former PM.

 

-- nnt 2017-08-16

[zzaa09]

They create a growing martyr situation some time back.

Too late to retract.

 

 

.....and they'll certainly have to live with any arising consequences.

Reap what you sow.

[yellowboat]

Since her being deposed, the country has become rudderless and overly sensitive to any criticism.  She and her brother are their obsession.   Not that she was a great leader.  She might have been, but today's leadership has had a negative impact on the country. 

[Thian]

17 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

Since her being deposed, the country has become rudderless and overly sensitive to any criticism.  She and her brother are their obsession.   Not that she was a great leader.  She might have been, but today's leadership has had a negative impact on the country. 

I'm happy that it's safe now in BKK, no more bombs or shootings or blocked roads full of protestors.

 

Corruption is being dealt with...it's all much better since the coup.

[canopus1969]

Boss Hog running scared ?

[Ricardo]

29 minutes ago, canopus1969 said:

Boss Hog running scared ?

 

With Yingluck starring as the boys' attractive cousin Daisy ?

 

 

[stephen tracy]

1 hour ago, Thian said:

I'm happy that it's safe now in BKK, no more bombs or shootings or blocked roads full of protestors.

 

Corruption is being dealt with...it's all much better since the coup.

Huh? Corruption is as rampant as ever.

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Since her being deposed, the country has become rudderless and overly sensitive to any criticism.  She and her brother are their obsession.   Not that she was a great leader.  She might have been, but today's leadership has had a negative impact on the country. 

 

Seriously? Do you think she was the steady firm hand on the rudder? Stood up to her brother?

 

I doubt anyone could comment on her leadership abilities as she was never allowed to lead anything. 

 

Now acting ability, that's fantastic. Tears at will, keeps a straight face, and not bothered by any morals and ethics. Bonus is her looks and engaging personality.

[yellowboat]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Seriously? Do you think she was the steady firm hand on the rudder? Stood up to her brother?

 

I doubt anyone could comment on her leadership abilities as she was never allowed to lead anything. 

 

Now acting ability, that's fantastic. Tears at will, keeps a straight face, and not bothered by any morals and ethics. Bonus is her looks and engaging personality.

Yes, she is acting like a leader, unlike the man in charge who acts like a little girl when criticized or scrutinized, "please do not complain too much".  I mean who says that other than him ?  She has the whole weight of the Thai government and maybe as many as 20% of the electorate bearing down on her, and she handles it gracefully.  She deals with scrutiny.  He cannot. 

[dcsw53]

Note to self - Leave my red tee shirt in the drawer on 25th, the black one is safer.

[Baerboxer]

Just now, yellowboat said:

Yes, she is acting like a leader, unlike the man in charge who acts like a little girl when criticized or scrutinized, "please do not complain too much".  I mean who says that other than him ?  She has the whole weight of the Thai government and maybe as many as 20% of the electorate bearing down on her, and she handles it gracefully.  She deals with scrutiny.  He cannot. 

 

Sorry, don't agree with that. The PM was Commander in Chief of the Army. You don't get to be that, in any military, without leadership, management, and political skills. He acts in ways that Thais understand, whereas we from very different cultures don't. 

 

The same can be said for Thaksin, Yingluck, Abhisit or Suthep. They act in ways which are aimed at the Thai people and culture. 

 

I think she acts with the self confidence and assurance that she's a billionaire, in her own right, with a richer brother and very rich siblings and extended family. She's also aware of the seemingly unwritten rules that nothing really bad happens to the hiso elite, of which she's a member in full.

 

She deals with scrutiny by brushing it off. That's not really dealing with it, just a different style of avoidance.

[yellowboat]

3 hours ago, Thian said:

I'm happy that it's safe now in BKK, no more bombs or shootings or blocked roads full of protestors.

 

Corruption is being dealt with...it's all much better since the coup.

You have given up your liberty for a tiny bit is safety.   Good for you.    It was always relatively safe barring a few bad people doing a few bad things.

 

"Corruption being dealt with" , oh please in your world perhaps.   Your freedom is being corrupted everyday if you are Thai.  

 

Will leave you with a little tidbit from Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."   Good luck with your timid little life. 

[yellowboat]

6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Sorry, don't agree with that. The PM was Commander in Chief of the Army. You don't get to be that, in any military, without leadership, management, and political skills. He acts in ways that Thais understand, whereas we from very different cultures don't. 

 

The same can be said for Thaksin, Yingluck, Abhisit or Suthep. They act in ways which are aimed at the Thai people and culture. 

 

I think she acts with the self confidence and assurance that she's a billionaire, in her own right, with a richer brother and very rich siblings and extended family. She's also aware of the seemingly unwritten rules that nothing really bad happens to the hiso elite, of which she's a member in full.

 

She deals with scrutiny by brushing it off. That's not really dealing with it, just a different style of avoidance.

Yeah, she does not whine.  Where he does and that is pretty poor governance in any culture.  Been in Asia since 1988 and dealing with Thailand most of that time.  Thailand is not the mystery you think it is.   Also, let us now forget that most Hi-so's hate her too.

Edited August 16, 2017 by yellowboat

[Baerboxer]

Just now, yellowboat said:

Yeah, she does not whine.  Where he does and that is pretty poor governance in any culture.  Been in Asia since 1988 and dealing with Thailand most of that time.  Thailand is not the mystery you think it is. 

 

I don't think it's a mystery. But some people seem to think Western behavior and constructs can be applied exactly as they would back home.

 

 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, yellowboat said:

Since her being deposed, the country has become rudderless and overly sensitive to any criticism.  She and her brother are their obsession.   Not that she was a great leader.  She might have been, but today's leadership has had a negative impact on the country. 

 

Yingluck would never have been a great politician.

 

Thaksin could have been a great one, but his greed and his ego were the problem.

[yellowboat]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

I don't think it's a mystery. But some people seem to think Western behavior and constructs can be applied exactly as they would back home.

 

 

Been away a long time.  Cannot make those observations .  Can only make observations based on Asian understandings.    He whines and he does not debate.  She is taking full on scrutiny and she deals with it gracefully.  She looks better everyday. 

[yellowboat]

Just now, billd766 said:

 

Yingluck would never have been a great politician.

 

Thaksin could have been a great one, but his greed and his ego were the problem.

Agreed, when it comes to ethical and moral navigation, Thailand suffers. 

 

Had Yingluck not done the two things we have all come to regret, she might have been okay.  Sometimes it is better for a government to stay out of the way and do nothing. 

[LannaGuy]

40 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Sorry, don't agree with that. The PM was Commander in Chief of the Army. You don't get to be that, in any military, without leadership, management, and political skills. He acts in ways that Thais understand, whereas we from very different cultures don't. 

 

The same can be said for Thaksin, Yingluck, Abhisit or Suthep. They act in ways which are aimed at the Thai people and culture. 

 

I think she acts with the self confidence and assurance that she's a billionaire, in her own right, with a richer brother and very rich siblings and extended family. She's also aware of the seemingly unwritten rules that nothing really bad happens to the hiso elite, of which she's a member in full.

 

She deals with scrutiny by brushing it off. That's not really dealing with it, just a different style of avoidance.

Ah yes the old 'farang don't understand the special Thais' argument. Even from you that's pretty silly

[LannaGuy]

27 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

Been away a long time.  Cannot make those observations .  Can only make observations based on Asian understandings.    He whines and he does not debate.  She is taking full on scrutiny and she deals with it gracefully.  She looks better everyday. 

Gracefully, with poise, intelligence and a certain beauty. She has been created into a martyr and, despite her failings,  she is loved. Statues will go up in decades to come for a true Thai heroine of her times.

[stephen tracy]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Sorry, don't agree with that. The PM was Commander in Chief of the Army. You don't get to be that, in any military, without leadership, management, and political skills. He acts in ways that Thais understand, whereas we from very different cultures don't. 

 

The same can be said for Thaksin, Yingluck, Abhisit or Suthep. They act in ways which are aimed at the Thai people and culture. 

 

I think she acts with the self confidence and assurance that she's a billionaire, in her own right, with a richer brother and very rich siblings and extended family. She's also aware of the seemingly unwritten rules that nothing really bad happens to the hiso elite, of which she's a member in full.

 

She deals with scrutiny by brushing it off. That's not really dealing with it, just a different style of avoidance.

"The PM was Commander in Chief of the Army. You don't get to be that, in any military, without leadership, management, and political skills." Ummm, yes you do. SO many examples of that it's hard to count, which is why there are so many failed wars.  It's called incompetence and ignorance.  Moreover, Prayuth is not a real general. He has no battlefield experience and wouldn't have a clue what to do in a real conflict scenario. I think that's fairly obvious. 

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

"The PM was Commander in Chief of the Army. You don't get to be that, in any military, without leadership, management, and political skills." Ummm, yes you do. SO many examples of that it's hard to count, which is why there are so many failed wars.  It's called incompetence and ignorance.  Moreover, Prayuth is not a real general. He has no battlefield experience and wouldn't have a clue what to do in a real conflict scenario. I think that's fairly obvious. 

 

I doubt you have any military training or historical knowledge either. Otherwise you wouldn't makes such incorrect statements. Your probably one of those people who thinks all the WW1 generals sat in Chateau's sipping claret. 

War and battles are complex. If you win, it requires a lot of effort and skill but also a hell of a lot of luck. Try reading how close some results were.

To accuse any officer of "not being real" is not only arrogantly rude, it demeans the military service of that nation. And only someone with little understanding would suggest that an officer without battlefield experience can't have a clue. A great many service personnel complete their service without experiencing battle. You think that makes them all clueless? 

 

I think it's fairly obvious you have zero understanding of military history or any military.

[Baerboxer]

51 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

Gracefully, with poise, intelligence and a certain beauty. She has been created into a martyr and, despite her failings,  she is loved. Statues will go up in decades to come for a true Thai heroine of her times.

 

Whatever your're on, stop, quickly. And seek professional help, also quickly.

[Baerboxer]

54 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

Ah yes the old 'farang don't understand the special Thais' argument. Even from you that's pretty silly

 

Coming from someone who thinks they'll be lots of statues of Yingluck in Thailand in the future (what next to the bigger ones of her brother?),  it's not surprising you think you understand everything Thai!

 

 

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Whatever your're on, stop, quickly. And seek professional help, also quickly.

Must be rather discomforting to you when your beloved leader is just the opposite. Certaintly lacking in intelligence, crude and clumsy in his demeanor. Recently he throw a toy buffalo away after receiving from  someone in an OTOP exhibition. This guy really has no class and decorum. 

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Must be rather discomforting to you when your beloved leader is just the opposite. Certaintly lacking in intelligence, crude and clumsy in his demeanor. Recently he throw a toy buffalo away after receiving from  someone in an OTOP exhibition. This guy really has no class and decorum. 

 

He's not my leader, or yours. We don't count. 

 

But yes, he's not a trained actor. No false pretenses. You get what you see. An honesty bereft of the more theatrical professional politicians.

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

He's not my leader, or yours. We don't count. 

 

But yes, he's not a trained actor. No false pretenses. You get what you see. An honesty bereft of the more theatrical professional politicians.

To be a bad actor does not mean he is more honest than better actors. Actually the problem is that he does not realize he is such a bad actor and thinks people are impressed by his B.S..

[candide]

24 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I doubt you have any military training or historical knowledge either. Otherwise you wouldn't makes such incorrect statements. Your probably one of those people who thinks all the WW1 generals sat in Chateau's sipping claret. 

War and battles are complex. If you win, it requires a lot of effort and skill but also a hell of a lot of luck. Try reading how close some results were.

To accuse any officer of "not being real" is not only arrogantly rude, it demeans the military service of that nation. And only someone with little understanding would suggest that an officer without battlefield experience can't have a clue. A great many service personnel complete their service without experiencing battle. You think that makes them all clueless? 

 

I think it's fairly obvious you have zero understanding of military history or any military.

I personally have some respect for the army as my father was an officer. However I am quite sure that, if he were still alive, he would deny any resemblance between his army and the Thai army. He always told me: "a chief must lead by example". That certainly does not apply here, and in particular in the case of the  Junta.

. 

[Baerboxer]

13 minutes ago, candide said:

To be a bad actor does not mean he is more honest than better actors. Actually the problem is that he does not realize he is such a bad actor and thinks people are impressed by his B.S..

 

A bad actor isn't more honest or capable than a good actor. Better actors are better at acting. Doesn't make them more honest or capable.

 

I think that the expectation that your're loved, admired and always believed is a fallacy many politicians think true.

[Baerboxer]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

I personally have some respect for the army as my father was an officer. However I am quite sure that, if he were still alive, he would deny any resemblance between his army and the Thai army. He always told me: "a chief must lead by example". That certainly does not apply here, and in particular in the case of the  Junta.

. 

 

I understand that you respect the army, whichever country it was, because your dad was in it.

 

But are you saying you have no respect for the Thai army?

 

It is always a case of do as I say and not as I do here, military or otherwise. Can you think of any politicians that would make good leadership role models either? And therein lies the problem.

Edited August 16, 2017 by Baerboxer

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I understand that you respect the army, whichever country it was, because your dad was in it.

 

But are you saying you have no respect for the Thai army?

I don't respect any army. Just the ones that have and apply certain values and principles (I guess it is the case of most European armies).