Sharp rise in the number of Brits dying in Thailand, according to official stats

[billd766]

6 hours ago, toofarnorth said:

More folk die before the age of 75 than over . So if you get to 76 things are looking up for you.

 

3 years to go.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 And there are loads of cemeteries in Thailand, have you never noticed the half moon shaped decorated walls that point toward Mecca?

 

I know of at least 3 out here in rural Khampaeng Phet, mostly in the Christian hill tribe villages.

[moe666]

I would say from the Brits I know over 50 alcohol is probably the unknown cause and cause of the accidents.

 

A Brit I know took a header out of a tuk tuk here in Chiang Mai, only a face plant but not the only accident he has had, fell off a scooter one night, fell off his bicycle. All due to drink, just lucky so far but eventually luck runs out

[nasanews]

For some people, life in the western advanced countries isn't as much better else where even living under junta regime.

[Kieran00001]

Just now, Father Fintan Stack said:

None of those are tourist destinations though.

 

Some of them were quite popular tourist destinations not so long ago, currently they are unpopular due to the lack of safety.

[smotherb]

From all the posts from Brits who think the non-whites with Brit passports are not British, I wonder why no one has asked how many were really British?

[Kieran00001]

8 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Were they? 

 

I'm in my 50's and very well travelled and they have all been extremely dangerous due to armed conflict since I can remember.

 

Anyhoo, let's stop being silly and calling them tourist destinations.

 

Afghanistan was very popular with hippies right up to the war with Russia, Libya was perfectly safe until the recent conflict and was popular with those interested in history, also a few old safari destinations in there, but anyway, when did this become "most dangerous tourist destinations", I thought we were talking about "the most dangerous destinations for tourists", clearly different things, as an example, I know someone who travelled through Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan recently, he was a tourist, those countries were his destinations.

Edited August 17, 2017 by Kieran00001

[Megasin1]

This topic has been a bit of a let-down, I was expecting much more entertaining posts. As Thailand is on most people's bucket list then surely it follows that more are therefore more likely to kick the bucket whilst messing with a bucket than say somewhere less inclined to have buckets in abundance. Therefore sandy beaches can be dangerous, or statistically more dangerous than say, a snowy hill. That isn't even accounting for the spade ! Kho Tao is a good example of this.

There are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics. Statistically speaking it is probably more likely than less (by approx. 9 out of 10 cats) that the statistics realistically represent nothing. For instance is dropping from a Balcony a natural cause, manslaughter, a suicide or an accident? If you are involved in a vehicular crash and the other driver has no licence, is it not therefore manslaughter? (This would cause a massive shift to the figures in Thailand).

The only really true thing, if you believe consular members can count is that in Thailand, in a given time period a certain number of people in certain specified age group met their maker.

You can gather from this that if you are older than 50 perhaps its a good time to obtain a respect for buckets and come down with a strong case of Kouvaphobia. If younger and more attractive then Khotaophobia could actually get you living long enough to enjoy Kouvaphobia at a riper age.

 

[Thongkorn]

12 hours ago, Nong Khai Man said:

Probably They're The Jumpers in Pattaya....& Wherever !!!

 would that be Assisted jumps

[observer90210]

13 hours ago, Mango Bob said:

People come here thinking they can do things here they would never try to do back home.

I am afraid that you are 100% correct. And you just gave the answer to many asking how? and  why? there are so many deaths.

[SheungWan]

16 hours ago, Mango Bob said:

People come here thinking they can do things here they would never try to do back home.

Like having a shower?

[wakeupplease]

21 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Like having a shower?

and fly?

[jacko45k]

18 hours ago, Nong Khai Man said:

Probably They're The Jumpers in Pattaya....& Wherever !!!

And I wonder if the awful slide of the £ is a cause... lot of older people have had their retirement money severely reduced.

[PrincessPoo]

Bum guns - tricky to aim

[captspectre]

a while back i posted a question  asking if Thailand performed autopsies never did get an  answer but judging from all the unknowns, i now have my answer!

[wgdanson]

2] ‘Death – Unknown’ means the cause of death is not known. I would never have guessed this.!!!!

[Kieran00001]

21 minutes ago, captspectre said:

a while back i posted a question  asking if Thailand performed autopsies never did get an  answer but judging from all the unknowns, i now have my answer!

 

If a death is unusual or a criminal act is suspected then an autopsy is done in Thailand.

[Kieran00001]

A lot of people are interested in the unknown cause of death stats. In 2010, 40% of deaths in Thailand were recorded as being of unknown cause.  The reason is due to a lack of training in how to record the data, the Thai system requires a single word entry as the cause and when poorly trained staff instead record symptoms, signs or other poorly defined conditions, ultimately these ill defined death certificates must be registered as an unknown cause.  The cause is known in most cases but this is the legal due process for an ill recorded death certificate.  The issue is being addressed but there is some way to go yet.

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[captspectre]

26 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

If a death is unusual or a criminal act is suspected then an autopsy is done in Thailand.

so all the "unknown" are usual?  better luck next time. BUT you were the first to respond to my question about autopsies.

[thaibeachlovers]

I'd like to see a breakdown of the traffic deaths. Caused when in Thai transport ( buses etc ) or on m'bikes ( because they never rode before and have no idea of how to do so ). I always saw loads of farang tourists riding m'bikes on the islands without even a crash hat. Many not riding, but with bandages or sitting beside the road after falling off.

[Srikcir]

36 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 The reason is due to a lack of training in how to record the data, the Thai system requires a single word entry as the cause and when poorly trained staff instead record symptoms, signs or other poorly defined conditions, ultimately these ill defined death certificates must be registered as an unknown cause.

That may also explain why certain deaths are termed "suicides." That avoids all the complications of actually investigating the cause of death.

[Kieran00001]

12 minutes ago, captspectre said:

so all the "unknown" are usual?  better luck next time. BUT you were the first to respond to my question about autopsies.

 

Read my post above.  Death certificate and the final stats are not the same, a seemingly conclusive death certificate is all that is needed to get the cremation underway and forgo the need for an autopsy but once the death certificate makes it to the registrar then it has to be re-recorded and if it then proves to be sub-standard through ill definition then it must be filed as an unknown cause of death, that is the law.

[Kieran00001]

12 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

That may also explain why certain deaths are termed "suicides." That avoids all the complications of actually investigating the cause of death.

 

That's a completely different issue, I was not talking about anyone trying to avoid anything, just honest mistakes.

[captspectre]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Read my post above.  Death certificate and the final stats are not the same, a seemingly conclusive death certificate is all that is needed to get the cremation underway and forgo the need for an autopsy but once the death certificate makes it to the registrar then it has to be re-recorded and if it then proves to be sub-standard through ill definition then it must be filed as an unknown cause of death, that is the law.

 

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Read my post above.  Death certificate and the final stats are not the same, a seemingly conclusive death certificate is all that is needed to get the cremation underway and forgo the need for an autopsy but once the death certificate makes it to the registrar then it has to be re-recorded and if it then proves to be sub-standard through ill definition then it must be filed as an unknown cause of death, that is the law.

in the civilized world, there is no such thing as "unknown" on a death certificate, it is most of the time either, suicide, murder, any illness, never unknown don't care if it the thai law or not. if you had the money you could and probably have murdered a foreigner and have it registered as "Unknown" don't know as how the foreign insurance companies would accept this.

[Kieran00001]

4 minutes ago, captspectre said:

 

in the civilized world, there is no such thing as "unknown" on a death certificate, it is most of the time either, suicide, murder, any illness, never unknown don't care if it the thai law or not. if you had the money you could and probably have murdered a foreigner and have it registered as "Unknown" don't know as how the foreign insurance companies would accept this.

 

As I said, they are addressing the issue, the issue not being a lack of civility but a lack of education of field medics, and the world over it is very difficult to change a death certificate once written.

[todlad]

2 hours ago, wgdanson said:

2] ‘Death – Unknown’ means the cause of death is not known. I would never have guessed this.!!!!

But you are forgetting Donald Rumsfeld's known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns ...

[elliss]

22 hours ago, wvavin said:

Is there any method they can stop the Brits from dying in Thailand? 

     Yep ,    ban  them,  those cheap charlies from Blighty ,   wearing their demob suits / Benidorn shorts .555

Edited August 18, 2017 by elliss

[elliss]

16 hours ago, wakeupplease said:

Yep don't go there

            Make prostitution illegal in Thailand ,again.

[captspectre]

21 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

As I said, they are addressing the issue, the issue not being a lack of civility but a lack of education of field medics, and the world over it is very difficult to change a death certificate once written.

they are addressing the issue! you mean the same way they are addressing the annual flooding in bangkok? this is 2017. i first got here in 1969. they did not have it then and they don't have it now. if it was not for the female medical examiner "porntip" a thai millionare would have gotten away with murder. but she brought in an American forensic expert who proved the Police wrong.

 

[YetAnother]

to a thai, a foreigners death means nothing; the less work for them the better