Gweiloman

Actually, the post I replied to was the one about the capacity of the fuel tank: In the jungle stated that he could travel 1,000 km on 76 litres of fuel. 76 litres of fuel at current prices (30.44 baht per litre I believe) would cost Thb 2,313.44, I generously reduced this to Thb 2,300. I then merely expressed my amazement at how much it costs to travel 1,000 km in a fuel efficient ICEV. I did not mention anything about range. Your interpretation of my implications are wrong as is your assertion that I expressly tried to provide false information. To the best my knowledge, I have not made any false or misleading claims about EVs. If you can provide any such instances, I would gladly issue an apology and retraction 😇

Sorry to disappoint but I do have better other things to do with my time.

That’s right. Spend billions to defend your trade with China against… China.

Of course. Doesn’t yours? Oh I forgot, you don’t own a car.

I use my car for business as well. I just don’t have to drive more than a couple of hundred kilometres a day. Let’s see. 1,000 kms a day for work at Thb 2,300 a pop. 25 working days a month. 25 x Thb 2,300 = Thb 57,500 per month. And that’s only the fuel cost. But it’s of little consequence to your business. Wow, congratulations on your multi million baht business, using just your diesel pickup. You’re my hero.

You really should get with the times. BYD uses a lithium ion 12 volt battery, not lead acid.

As @JBChiangRai said, some anti-EV folks read what they want. Neither of us claimed that we travelled 1,000 km without stopping. But you are right. I lied. I have done 5,378 kms so far on fresh air and sunshine, not 1,000.

Is that so? Strange, I put my nose next to my non-existent tailpipe and can’t smell anything. Put yours next to your diesel tailpipe and tell me which floral fragrance it emits.

Wish I could contribute more to this topic but I just haven’t needed to visit a CS in months. What I can say though is that the PTT app signs you out if you don’t use it for a while.

WHAT!? Thb 2,300 just to travel 1,000 km? You diesel pickup truck drivers must be rich. My car travels on fresh air and… sunshine lol.

You are really just playing with semantics. Yes, all reservations for BYD’s may not (and probably won’t) end up in actual sales. Many possible reasons; change of mind, change of personal circumstances, loan rejection etc. Same could happen for Toyota and any other manufacturer. The important takeaway however is that the interest is there. More potential buyers are more interested in buying a BYD than a Honda. This shows that interest in EVs are not flagging, dashing the hopes and dreams of some anti-EVers.

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It seems to me that you are not particularly numerate as you have quoted this headline multiple times. Comparing a product’s Q1 sales with Q4 is meaningless as sales are seasonal and depends on various factors occurring throughout the year. As an example, sales of ac units are much higher in warmer months compared to cooler months. China's vehicle sales slumped by 19.9% from a year earlier to 1.58 million units in February 2024, reversing sharply from a 47.9% jump in the previous month, amid disruption from the Lunar New Year holiday, according to data from the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM). Meanwhile, new energy vehicle sales fell 9.2% in February, reversing strongly from a 78.8% surge in January. Considering the first two months of the year, total car sales grew by 11.1% to nearly 4.03 million units, rebounding from a 15.2% fall in the same period of last year, with new energy vehicle sales soaring 29.4% in January-February of 2024. Meanwhile, a separate report from the China Passenger Car Association (CPCA) revealed NEV sales accounted for 33.5% of total car sales in January-February https://tradingeconomics.com/china/total-vehicle-sales Take a look at the 5 yr chart and you will see that sales typically bottom out during the first quarter. Bear in mind also that something like 80% of BYD’s sales are in China so naturally they will encounter a huge drop in sales. This is not to say that EV sales aren’t dropping. Just that the evidence you are providing isn’t valid or good evidence.

I don’t find it alarming in the slightest. What is the manufacturer going to find out? On Monday morning, I went to eat Khao soi. On the way home, I stopped at HomePro. Went home. In the afternoon, went to a PTT to enjoy watching suckers drive up to a gas pump and hand over hard earned money to the oil company. Then went for dinner at a seafood restaurant and back home. Yeah, absolutely essential information for a car manufacturer and also the Chinese government. (incidentally, Google has been doing this for years). Additionally, the Chinese government now also knows that I listen to Spotify while driving and watch YouTube while stopped for longer periods. Also that my preferred aircon setting is 23 degrees with a fan speed of 3. Oh dear, my personal data is being collected and… and… don’t know what. As @josephbloggs said, it’s absolutely hilarious how some think they are so important that any government wants to collect data on them. As to the being disabled remotely, I’ve never in my life defaulted on any repayments so zero fear of repossessions. I wish I have the ability to remotely disable the car in case anyone borrows it without permission. All this fear mongering is western governments way of controlling their population as they realise the masses are waking up to their sham democracies.

My biggest fear for charging stations are that there aren’t enough people using them and the CPO’s close them down to avoid further losses. Most EV charging is done at home so most of the stations I see are always empty.

Same here. Do what the Thais do; don’t bother with the indicators lol. Jokes aside, I always give myself a mental reminder as to which side the indicator stalk is. And my Dolphin has one blink more than your Seal. +1 for the Dolphin, yay.

It doesn’t make sense to me to use the electricity generated by wind and/or solar power to then produce hydrogen that would then have to be worked on (compressed, freezes etc) and then transported over land to thousands of filling stations to be pumped into cars when the electricity produced can just be transmitted over power lines to your home to charge your EV. Talk about inefficiency.

Both my cars come with an onboard SIM card so I’m always connected to the internet.

PHEVs are an interesting category. I don’t agree that they are a niche product, they can be the ideal vehicle for some. Most PHEVs currently available in Thailand have an electric only range of about 60-80 km. This is sufficient for most daily work commutes. Using it for this purpose, you really only need to fuel up when doing longer distances. I bought a “real mans” PHEV, the Haval H6. A massive 34 kWh traction battery capable of doing 160-180 km and electric only speed of 140kmh. This means that most of my mileage is in EV mode, even long distance trips. I’ve done over 30,000 km and maybe filled up the petrol tank only about 10 times or so. I believe that many people who buy a normal hybrid are actually just buying the vehicle they want and the hybrid part is just an added feature. They are not specifically looking to buy a hybrid unless it’s the Prius.

40 countries, the usual suspects. Wonder why the global majority hasn’t signed up to it…

Well said. As many of us have stated previously, the ability to charge at home is very important. I have a wall charger but believe it or not, I hardly use it. If I’m at home during the day, I usually just use my granny charger as I have solar and my wall charger is on another circuit. This is normally sufficient for my daily driving. Over the weekend, I charge it up fully as I have TOU as well. With an EV, it’s always better to charge when you can rather than when you have to. This becomes second nature in no time. I’ve done over 6,000 km in my Dolphin and I’m yet to visit a public charging station.

I would definitely not buy a Ford or GM made EV as these are inferior products made by obsolete technology and demoralised and uninspired workers. No wonder that even the American consumer doesn’t want these cars. Coupled with the poor infrastructure, EV sales won’t do well. That’s just common sense. Meanwhile, in more advanced countries around the world, owning an EV makes a lot of sense for a lot of people. Factors such as extremely competitive pricing vs ICEVs, lower cost of running and maintenance, excellent performance and levels of comfort, ability to charge at home, good public charging infrastructure for the occasional long distance trip etc results in a very satisfactory ownership experience.

All this talk above about sales figures are interesting but I don’t really consider it as very relevant when talking about whether EVs are a good purchase or not. What is ultimately most important is the owner’s’ experiences and whether he/she would recommend it to others and/or purchase another when the time comes. i recently had some friends from Aus and Hkg visiting for a few days so I was ferrying the 6 of us all over CM, going for meals, shopping, massages etc. Some of the time, my other half (typical Thai girl size) would actually sit in the boot while 3 adults were in the back seat. When the boot was full with bags of goodies, then there would be 4 adults in the back row. This is easily possible without too much discomfort in an EV as there isn’t a transmission tunnel. A real positive in an EV compared to an ICEV. When we got back to the AirBnb, I just plugged it in to charge for as long as we were stationary, saving time and expense along the way. Yet another positive over an ICEV. For those genuinely researching EVs, this is the real world. Ignore the ignoramuses such as IQ72 and his obsolete supporters, some of whom I believe are secretly envious and their uneducated and sometimes bald faced lies about charging and so on. Real (not claimed Tesla) EV owners and drivers will tell you the unadulterated truth, warts and all.

Breaking news! Sales of ICE (Suzuki Ciaz) increased by a staggering 7% in March over February. EVs are no longer saleable as evidenced by BYD’s zero sales during the motor show.

He has ran out of arguments to show that EVs aren’t any good and now just trawling through the internet to find anything that he can. Next, we might see a video from him of an EV getting a puncture as his proof that EV tires can be punctured.