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The question in the OP has been answered. This topic is now closed.

It is a fact that immigration offices in Thailand issue non-immigrant visas to qualified applicants. The technique used for this is beside the point.

Yes.

Frankly, I am grateful that Thai Immigration uses English translations, even though not always completely accurate, for some documents. I admire foreigners who are fluent in reading, writing and speaking Thai, but I would be totally lost without the possibility of using English. That sometimes also the Thai text is inaccurate is another matter, of course.

Even immigration officials sometimes say or write "visa" when they mean what legally is called "permission to stay", but over time the readers of this forum are mostly able to guess what is meant when a particular term is used incorrectly and we generally make allowance for these imprecisions and do not stir up a fuss. It gets serious, though, when somebody suffers a substantial disadvantage because of a misunderstanding and I have seen at least one such case. In this topic, where you sought clarification on the use of the form TM.86, you justifiably emphasised the importance of the correct use of the terms and I agree that they are not always easy to comprehend. Even lawyers are sometimes prone to giving a wrong interpretation, for example in the video to which you linked at 1:20 At that point, I stopped watching and listening.

I know I am not replying to the poster whom you are asking whether he knows what a re-entry permit is but this topic is not about re-entry permits, is it? If I remember correctly, the subject of re-entry permits was first brought up by you. Anyway, let's all remain on topic and leave the re-entry permit out of it

Are you perhaps mixing up "Visa" "with permission to stay"? You arrive with a tourist visa valid for travel to Thailand before the expiration date of the visa. I believe this expiration date is 90 days or three months after the issue date of the visa. After 60 days (I presume you mean after arrival in Thailand) you do not change the Tourist visa to a non-immigrant visa. A certain minimum number of days — which can vary from one immigration office to the next — prior to the expiration date of of your permission to stay, if you meet the requirements you can apply for a non-immigrant visa.

Well, I don't know what they meant to say, but I can assure you that you have not lost your visa and instead been given a permission to stay. Just look at your passport. The visa you used to travel to Thailand is still there, in your passport, no longer valid for travel if it was valid for a single entry. Upon your arrival in Thailand and following verification by an immigration official that you qualified for entry into Thailand, a stamp was placed in your passport indication the arrival date and the expiration date of your permission to stay. The permission to stay you were given on your arrival did not replace or substitute your visa, but the length of the permission to stay was based on the type of visa with which you arrived.

Correct. However, the "Kind of visa" the TM.86 asks about is not a question about just any of the many visas that may be in your passport, it is a reference specifically to the latest visa with which you arrived in Thailand prior to your application for a non-immigrant visa.

The title of the form T.86 incorrectly says "APPLICATION FOR CHANGE OF VISA", whereas near the bottom it says correctly "I Wish to apply for a non-immigrant visa"

Yes, they are all wrong. When they say "lose your visa", but they really mean to say that the visa has lost its validity (unless the visa was valid for more multiple trips to Thailand and the expiry date shown on the visa sticker has not yet passed). It is again some sort of shorthand.

Yes, the TM.86 form has a field labelled "kind of visa" Another post in this topic already mentioned that forms often condense the text, like some sort of shorthand. Here, "kind of visa" askes for the type of visa with which you arrived in Thailand. It does not ask for a visa that is still valid for travel to Thailand on the date of your submission of the TM.86.

You don't lose the visa when you step outside passport control at the point of entry into Thailand. The visa is still there in passport. If it was for a single entry, it was perhaps crossed with the text "USED", perhaps not, but either way it has been used for the purpose for which it was issued, ie for travel to Thailand. It is no longer valid for that purpose.

No visa is being changed. The title of the form TM8.9 is wrong, both the original Thai text and the English translation. The correct title would probably be "Application for non-immigrant visa category O" The issuance of this visa is subject to specific criteria and conditions which must be met by the applicant, as outlined in the guide for this form.

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On your non-O visa, the "Enter before" will be 90 days after the issue date of the visa. In other words, it isvalid for travel to Thailand within 90 days.

Please indicate your definition of landlord in the context of the requirement of the notification of the arrival of a foreigner at a residence (TM.30) I have seen two English translations of the Immigration Act and neither uses the term landlord.

AirBnB is NOT banned in Thailand. What gave you the impression that it was banned?

From the Thai embassy in what country?

For my e-visa application in Switzerland, which I plan to make next week, I also have to submit a "confirmation letter" from my wife along the lines of the sample provided by the embassy: Invitation letter.pdf

The requirement of evidence of the equivalent minimum 400k Baht in a Thai bank for the non-O visa to visit a family member of Thai nationality is also listed on the website of the Thai embassy in Switzerland. Source: https://thaiembassy.ch/files_upload/editor_upload/VISA/1637317169_31-non-o-family-of-thai-nationals-visa-checklist.pdf As Ubonjoe wrote, it is not required and it is indeed not listed on the website of the MFA (https://image.mfa.go.th/mfa/0/zE6021nSnu/10_Visa_requirements_O.jpg) but that list has the footnote "Additional documents may be requested by Consular officers...". I have no problem meeting this requirement but I hope that for others, the embassy will not get the funny idea to reject an application and keep the application fee if this requirement is not met.

Thank you. I looked at the two versions on my computer and see that I got the numbers mixed up. Kor Ror 2, the updated full version to be obtained from the district office (on my computer a photocopy of the corresponding page from a handwritten entry in a giant ledger): Kor Ror 3, the normal marriage certificate (what I called the souvenir version):

For the marriage certificate, will the KR.2 (souvenir version) do or must it be the KR.3?

Yes, exactly that.