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Good thoughtful analysis. Even still, can anything Trump says or does move the needle very much? Is he somehow showing himself to be more repugnant a person than he was up until yesterday? It seems hard to find anything to throw on the pile of hot mess that has been his behavior up until now that will change anyone's mind. Let me just say that I agree that on top of everything else he is weird. Also, apparently George Bush Jr. was the first to publicly use that word to describe Trump. The story goes that after Trump's inauguration speech Bush said "That was some weird <deleted>". "What George W. Bush Really Thought of Donald Trump’s Inauguration" https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/03/what-george-w-bush-really-thought-of-trumps-inauguration.html

Good thoughtful analysis. Even still, can anything Trump says or does move the needle very much? Is he somehow showing himself to be more repugnant a person than he was up until yesterday? It seems hard to find anything to throw on the pile of hot mess that has been his behavior up until now that will change anyone's mind. Let me just say that I agree that on top of everything else he is weird. Also, apparently George Bush Jr. was the first to publicly use that word to describe Trump. The story goes that after Trump's inauguration speech Bush said "That was some weird <deleted>". "What George W. Bush Really Thought of Donald Trump’s Inauguration" https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/03/what-george-w-bush-really-thought-of-trumps-inauguration.html

Correct. And don't forget, you can still attack Hunter Biden, please do that. Don't forget Hilary's emails. And of course President Biden is still old. Don't forget to question how Ms. Harris was chosen as candidate, I know you are sincere about protecting the democratic process. Gotta go, I just threw up in my mouth a bit thinking about the hypocrisy of Republicans.

Did she tell you why she did that?

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I hope you are right. I never thought he would get in the first time. But this feels different than Hilary or Biden. Fingers crossed.

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I hope you are right. I never thought he would get in the first time. But this feels different than Hilary or Biden.

Being on some people's ignore list is a badge of honor.

You offer your opinion without support, thanks. As you say "For sure it might not be Socialism as defined by a political science academic." Or to put it another way, as defined by a person with some credentials in the matter. Here are the opinions of some informed people. I am not just proclaiming my opinion, I am posting the opinions of some people with credentials in the study of history. "The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists. The Nazis hated socialists. It was the governments that rebuilt Europe that embraced social welfare programs. Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it? Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism." Ronald J. Granieri in the Washington Post Dr. Ronald J. Granieri is a Professor of History in the Department of National Security and Strategy at the United States Army War College. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/ ===== "The Nazis Weren’t Socialists — They Were Hypercapitalists Right-wingers love to insist that members of Adolf Hitler’s party were socialists. But Nazism’s real economic policies upheld hypercapitalist principles rooted in social Darwinist ideas about the value of human life. They weren’t socialists at all. One of the most tiresome arguments leveled against socialism claims that Nazism was somehow “socialist,” and so something the Left needs to answer for. Adolf Hitler’s men marshaled the economy for war, put the state above the individual — and, as the killer argument, they even called themselves “National Socialists.” Checkmate? Not quite. Even aside from the fact that other conservative and liberal parties actually voted for full powers to Hitler in 1933, his regime was characterized by massive interventions to help out private business. And the social Darwinism championed by the Nazis, counting the “unproductive” as mere wasteful expense, obeyed the logic of judging human life by the yardstick of profit." Ishay Landa in Jacobin. As he puts it your argument is:One of the most tiresome arguments put forth about the Nazis. Ishay Landa is Senior Lecturer in History at the Israeli Open University. He has published on Nietzscheanism, Marxism, political theory and popular culture https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism ======= In a column earlier this month for the Daily Mail, conservative commentator Peter Hitchens lamented that “no one seems to know” that the Nazis were “very left-wing.” He cites evidence like the high taxes the German middle class had to pay to support the war effort and the fact that the Nazis and the Soviets held an “amicable prisoner swap” during their short-lived pact in 1939. None of this comes within ten thousand miles of establishing his conclusion. It’s worth spelling out why not, given that Hitchens is arguing for a conclusion common on the Right. At least he’s trying to make a historical case, instead of replying on the usual semantic argument that the Nazis called themselves “National Socialists” so they must have been socialists. (To see what’s wrong with that one, ask yourself whether the German Democratic Republic was a democracy.) The Nazis imposed strictly socially conservative values on German society. Under their rule, workers who tried to organize for better conditions on the job were brutally repressed while politically connected capitalists grew fabulously wealthy from state contracts. And the German left was exterminated en masse. None of that means that mainstream conservatives are Nazis. But it does make it absurd to deny that Adolf Hitler belonged to the extreme right. by Ben Burgis in Jacobin Ben Burgis is a Jacobin columnist, an adjunct philosophy professor at Rutgers University https://jacobin.com/2023/03/peter-hitchens-nazism-left-wing-socialism-germany-history

Right that was the name of the Nazi party. As I have asked before, do you think the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea is democratic? Do you think it is a Republic? You know that people lie to get power right? Think about the Legitimated Businessman's Social Club on the Simpsons. Not a club for legit businessmen. The name of an organization can be used to mislead.

Another example to try and help you understand. Not silly word games, names chosen to mislead. You see the "Legitimate Businessman's Social Club" is not what the name would suggest.

"I do have to look in the mirror." I hadn't considered that. Is that what makes you so bitter and hateful?

Also you have had women as PM. In the USA we have people clutching there pearls over the idea of a woman being president.

Do you think that The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is democratic, or a Republic?

Do you think that The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is democratic, or a Republic?

Oh, you speak as one having authority. Anything you assert without support must be true? It ain't what you don't know, it's what you know that just ain't so.

This is a distortion of history. Understandable how someone lacking in critical thinking might think this; the Nazi party was called the National Socialist party. Guess what, people lie. Do you think that The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is democratic, or a Republic? I have seen this silliness repeated in this AN forum before, I don't know if it was by the same poster or not. from the Encyclopedia Britannica: "Were the Nazis Socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party." https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists But I am sure those that like to make this claim are unburdened by any curiosity about the truth.

The word "creep" comes very quickly to mind.

Thank you oh wise one.

This economy is working just fine for me. I am not part of the 1%, not even in the top quartile. If it isn't for you maybe it's the individual decisions you have made.

From the BBC's website. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492 "Trump's wall: How much has been built during his term?"... "However, only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall, and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier. The vast majority of the 452 miles is replacing existing structures at the border that had been built by previous US administrations."... "Did Mexico pay for the wall? In 2016, President Trump repeatedly claimed Mexico would pay for the wall. This didn't happen. " https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492

Interesting how many Brits are taking an interest in the US presidential election. Most Americans could care less about British elections. You have a king or something right?

Great argument. So don't vote for either Biden in November.

Do topics need to have a point? Just passing the time with a little conversation.