Peterw42 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 The original article states that the Thai guy was a "former" employee ( he may have quit 6 months ago), nothing about he was working at the time of the incident or quit giving an hours notice , in breech of contract etc. The Thai guy returned to the restaurant to obtain a document, presumably needed for continued social security benefits or coverage. It appears for whatever reason the employer has been unable, or refused, to provide the document and an argument has ensured. Not justifying the Thai guys violence, but he may have ever reason in the world to be angry if the employer will not issue a document needed for social security coverage for himself and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 5 hours ago, Get Real said: No, nobody wants a chef that don´t want to cook no more. However, it probably has something to do with that the chef wanted to stop the same day and hour. Here it is very sure that something in his contract and agreement says that he will have to inform a certain time in advance. Almost every restaurant have that for not stand in the shit in minutes. As all other people in this country, the man couldn´t accept what he most probably agreed to when starting. That´s whats wrong! Possibly. But Thai people don't plan ahead and genuinely expect everyone else to fit in with what they want to do the minute they decide to do it. The Chef probably would've worked the notice period if previously agreed - but only if the owner made it worth his while! The one sided, blinkered, center of the universe mentality never ceases to amaze me. But it's examples are everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Possibly. But Thai people don't plan ahead and genuinely expect everyone else to fit in with what they want to do the minute they decide to do it. The Chef probably would've worked the notice period if previously agreed - but only if the owner made it worth his while! The one sided, blinkered, center of the universe mentality never ceases to amaze me. But it's examples are everywhere. Read the original newspaper article, it uses the term "former chef/employee" 3-4 times. The guy had already quit, maybe a year ago. Nothing states, that he quit on the night of the incident or without giving notice. He came in to ask for a document. The victim told police that his former chef, who had been working for him for the last 2 years had handed in his notice, after finding a better job elsewhere. He had come in to ask for a release statement to give to his new employer, in which the victim refused. Former, Had and after, would all imply past tense. Edited October 2, 2017 by Peterw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 18 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: Read the original newspaper article, it uses the term "former chef/employee" 3-4 times. The guy had already quit, maybe a year ago. Nothing states, that he quit on the night of the incident or without giving notice. He came in to ask for a document. The victim told police that his former chef, who had been working for him for the last 2 years had handed in his notice, after finding a better job elsewhere. He had come in to ask for a release statement to give to his new employer, in which the victim refused. Former, Had and after, would all imply past tense. I couldn't open the original article so thank you for the detail. Get a lot of "502 bad gateway" notices these days and have quite a few problems with the TVF system command buttons. There is an implication of past tense for sure. We don't know if they parted on good company but seemingly not; or if the release statement/reference had been requested several times and the owner was being difficult or if he chef suddenly demanded it their and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, ThaiWai said: Technically, that's not loyalty. That's quid pro quo. Not the same thing. We have treated staff like family but any sense of loyalty is more often overcome by an internal desire to sleep all day that eventually wins out. You are talking about a handful of people as I am I but generally speaking the original post was accurate, true loyalty is hard to come by. Loyalty goes both ways, and most companies I've ever worked for would have laid me off if that could add $0.50 to this quarter's P&L statement. I've even had buddies back home fired a month before their retirement date just so they wouldn't be fully vested. It only seems reasonable that employees nowadays show them the same "loyalty". And that's certainly not unique to Thailand. Many guys posting here spent their entire career in an environment where they could spend an entire career working their way up one company's ladder, with a defined benefit pension as their retention bonus. Those days are long gone in the private sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) Oops. Dbl Post. My Bad. Edited October 2, 2017 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnlightenedAtheist Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Get Real said: Oh dear! I just stated a common fact. Nothing is better at all. That´s my opinion, and I will stand for it. You can continue live in the world where it´s not so bad, because there is always something worse. Great excuse to have handy for the rest of you life. No, I rectified your thesis a tad and mine in the process. It is not so bad here in the North of Thailand BEFORE 11 p.m., say, but after 2 a.m. and some drinking, I am sure it is a bit different for all involved. That's not just in Thailand, mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Some troll posts have been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimdandy Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 He was a little shaken, not stirred by the incident. 5555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Real Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) 57 minutes ago, EnlightenedAtheist said: No, I rectified your thesis a tad and mine in the process. It is not so bad here in the North of Thailand BEFORE 11 p.m., say, but after 2 a.m. and some drinking, I am sure it is a bit different for all involved. That's not just in Thailand, mind you. And that was relevant how? Are you trying to say that a violent act that happened in a sober stage before 11 p.m. are more trivial than a violent act made after 2 a.m. in a drunken stage is much more bad and important? Because that was exactly what you established with that comment. Edited October 2, 2017 by Get Real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSixpack Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 The Tequila Reef owner should have talked to the go-go owners afraid to tell their DJs what music to play. Solution: canned music (after current DJ dies of old age); robot cooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Where is the cook cooking now? Probably a good cook. So far we only have one side of the story, not enough to make a real good assumption other than the owner was messing with the chef's rice bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyrobot Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 He should have employed a Mexican chef , I don’t like those som tum tacos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Much ado about nothing, just because the Chef found a better job, why not give him a reference,and part amicably. regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Currumbin Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 9 hours ago, Get Real said: As usual probably a much younger man beating on a 66 year old. With a crasch-helmet too. It´s fantastic to once again read about the fantastic courage that exists in the Thai man. Very unusual....where we're the othe 2 Thai Chefs with lumps of wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Real Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Currumbin said: Very unusual....where we're the othe 2 Thai Chefs with lumps of wood. Oh Yes! I get it. You are also one of thoose that hear the made up stories from the ones that been here long enough to had their brains wasted from enough alcohol. I good advice. Don´t hang on everything you hear or read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli1 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 10 hours ago, Get Real said: Yeah! They do exist. I know. That´s what´s makes it so much more bad. Sure they do mate FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 The usual Thai habit is that they would attack only if they are at an advantage like age, built, etc.....otherwise would be in groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 11 hours ago, Get Real said: Okey! I got it the way that they called him ex-chef just because he had left immediately and the owner didn´t want to see him nomore. Maybe I am totally wrong, but if he is already gone from the place. What is, and what does, a release statement do for him? Don't know how you came to the conclusion you did. From the information given, no one will ever figure out exactly what happened. We don't know when the "former" chef quit. Nor will we know why the owner refused to give him a release from his contract. Unfortunately the six pages of comments here will bring no resolution to what actually happened. The comments by posters after the Pattaya One article are more entertaining than anything else. Seems like no rules there at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradinAsia Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 13 hours ago, mok199 said: no excuse for this behavior.the lack of professionalism in Thailand is the problem..no training no laws no morals no respect..and above all NO SHAME... The simple fact is -- there are good and not so good folks in every nationality. To condemn the population of an entire country based on one's knee-jerk reaction to a few people with perceived shortcomings displays a mental laziness leading to sweeping generalizations and lack of sensible judgment that seems to be much too common on this forum. It is axiomatic and should be intuitive that People Are All Human. To try to convince oneself otherwise is an exercise in buffoonery. The question I have is: Why is it that so many farangs come to Thailand and then rant and rave on and on for years about how Thai people's character and morals are so much inferior to their own. Such rampant xenophobia is so transparent. It doesn't fool anyone. Give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The manic Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I went once lazt year. Once was enough. Very dissapponted with food , hygiene and cservice. An empty depressi place. The glory days are long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Off topic baiting and bickering posts leading into a fight have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 A spelling police post has been removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnlightenedAtheist Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) On 10/2/2017 at 3:19 PM, Get Real said: And that was relevant how? Are you trying to say that a violent act that happened in a sober stage before 11 p.m. are more trivial than a violent act made after 2 a.m. in a drunken stage is much more bad and important? Because that was exactly what you established with that comment. NOPE! You are saying. You and only you. It happens to be your stupid inference. You are saying that this man was attacked by a young Thai which makes the Thai man picking on an old man and I pointed out that usually foreigners are much taller than Thais (meaning it is not so one-sided as you make it to be). Earlier you said: Quote In your case you just tried to defended a violent act made by a person that reached the limit of his abilities to express himself in words. I am not defending anyone. I believe most Thai man would have a tough time expressing themselves in English ... and vice versa, a foreigner into Thai. Quote The only thing that suddenly got smaller in that case, was you. Language does add to the problem. But, so does alcohol. It remains that fights are not irrelevant at 11 am. That's what you inferred and that is not what I was trying to say. Who would make this stupid inference anyway? I am saying there is more of a LIKELIHOOD that one could get attacked by someone when they are drunk at 2 a.m. BECAUSE ONE or BOTH are even less aware. In this case, who knows. Maybe one of them or both got a head start. Edited October 3, 2017 by EnlightenedAtheist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnlightenedAtheist Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) On 10/2/2017 at 6:16 AM, webfact said: Thai chef attacks foreign owner in Pattaya Soi 7 By Online Admin - PATTAYA: -- A former Thai chef at the popular Mexican restaurant, Tequila Reef, in Pattaya Soi 7 has attacked the boss after a heated argument. At around 10pm on September 30th, Police were called down to Soi 7 in Pattaya, to the Tequila Reef restaurant in particular, where an attack had taken place. Arriving at the scene, they found the 66 year old American owner with a small cut above his left eye. He was a little shaken up by the incident, but was said to be in a stable condition, with no serious injuries. Full story: http://pattayaone.news/en/thai-chef-attacks-foreign-owner/ -- © Copyright Pattaya One 2017-10-02 We get a nice, big picture, but not 4 lines to make the story full: Quote "The victim told police that his former chef, who had been working for him for the last 2 years had handed in his notice, after finding a better job elsewhere. He had come in to ask for a release statement to give to his new employer, in [sic] which the victim refused. Why did he refuse? Edited October 3, 2017 by EnlightenedAtheist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydebolle Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Trust me, usually they just walk away and are no-show the next day - forever. Favourable days are 16th (the day after tips are being paid out) or 1st (after payday). Contract? CONTRACT? Which contract? In all those many years I had two staff resigning according to the contract; these were the only ones which got their full share of tip/salary and a testimonial; all the others lost a part of their tip (to the rest of the team who had to work harder until replacement was found) or a part of their salary (which went into the tip box for the rest of the team who had to work harder until replacement was found). Never came across a less loyal work force than the Thais. There must be more behind the story or Somchai was stoned/drunk or both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Never argue with a Thai . That's the first thing I learned after moving here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joepattaya1961 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 that's one of the reasons to never pay wages on the 1st of the month.....always do it on the 5th....that discourages the disloyal <deleted> a bit to find a "better" job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodymassagemyfriend Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 On 02/10/2017 at 2:17 AM, missoura said: The article stated that the chef found a better job and wanted to leave. The owner did not want that. Personally, I would not want to force a chef to cook for my customers. This illustrates why 7-11 requires new recruits to give a deposit to get the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithpa Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 On 10/2/2017 at 7:32 AM, Get Real said: No, nobody wants a chef that don´t want to cook no more. However, it probably has something to do with that the chef wanted to stop the same day and hour. Here it is very sure that something in his contract and agreement says that he will have to inform a certain time in advance. Almost every restaurant have that for not stand in the shit in minutes. As all other people in this country, the man couldn´t accept what he most probably agreed to when starting. That´s whats wrong! Get real, Get Real. Assumption, assumption, assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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