Kevin Spacey apologizes after actor says he was subjected to sexual advance when only 14

[Scott]

I think we can drop the references to pedophilia.   Pedophilia is sex with a pre-pubescent child.   At 14, this boy was an adolescent.   It is still illegal, but it is not pedophilia.  

[ExpatOilWorker]

15 hours ago, Just1Voice said:

Spacey is gay?  Well, that's a bit of a surprise to me.  

 

You didn't see "American Beauty"?

[balo]

Well he did not have sex with the boy , according to Anthony Rapp. He just laid on top of him and the boy escaped. So it could have been worse. 

 

But it doesnt matter really , it looks like his big acting career might be over.

Netflix just announced they will cancel House of Cards after season 6. 

 

http://deadline.com/2017/10/house-of-cards-canceled-kevin-spacey-scandal-netflix-season-six-1202197604/

 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2017 by balo

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Scott said:

I think we can drop the references to pedophilia.   Pedophilia is sex with a pre-pubescent child.   At 14, this boy was an adolescent.   It is still illegal, but it is not pedophilia.  

You're right of course.

We're talking about an accusation of an underage sex crime.

Not clinically pedophilia.

The correction is appreciated. I was basically just mirroring how this kind of thing is talked about in popular culture. 

I have no idea what the laws are on attempts vs. actual acts, if any. 

The relative youth of Spacey when he allegedly did this might come into a judgement as well, at least somewhat.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, balo said:

Well he did not have sex with the boy , according to Anthony Rapp. He just laid on top of him and the boy escaped. So it could have been worse. 

 

But it doesnt matter really , it looks like his big acting career might be over.

Netflix just announced they will cancel House of Cards after season 6. 

 

http://deadline.com/2017/10/house-of-cards-canceled-kevin-spacey-scandal-netflix-season-six-1202197604/

 

 

 

Interesting. 
Well we'll get season 6 anyway and it wasn't clear whether there would have been a season 7 anyway. 

I hope they are still able to release season 6.

Sad to hear a project about Gore Vidal might be stopped. 

Edited October 31, 2017 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I thought it had been out for ages about him being gay. He was arrested on Hampstead Heath years ago, a known gay meet up place

No. It was not well known. 

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, Credo said:

I have no problem how he handled this.   An accusation was made and Spacey had no say over when that accusation would be made.   He apologized, if he did it, which is much, much more than many people have done.  

 

As far as the coming out, well, it's a little hard to apologize for a sexual advance without addressing the issue of sexuality and not doing so would have kept this in the news cycle much, much longer.   

 

He is a fantastic actor and I hope his career doesn't take too much of a hit over this.   Personally, I pay little attention to the politics or lifestyles of many of the people in the arts.   

I appreciate how awkward this would be for Spacey. The reason he was in the fix that he got in was his decision to stay in the closet for so long. He made that bed himself. Now he's guilty of unfairly conflating underage sex crimes and homosexuality in the public's perception more than it was already. That explains why he's in the doghouse now among gay people. The price of the closet. 

 

There is usually a price for coming out of the closet but there is also a price for staying in the closet. Usually the price for the latter is hidden and is about emotional pain. This is a case where it's more revealed. 

 

Twenty/thirty years ago, nobody in entertainment would be criticized for staying closeted. They generally couldn't work if they were out. (Except of course in typecast stereotypical gay roles.) Now many people are working  as out. But it begs the question, suppose Spacey had come out as gay much earlier, would he have even been cast in House of Cards in the first place? 

Edited October 31, 2017 by Jingthing

[metisdead]

A troll post has been removed, the reply was removed as well. 

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, balo said:

Well he did not have sex with the boy , according to Anthony Rapp. He just laid on top of him and the boy escaped. So it could have been worse. 

 

But it doesnt matter really , it looks like his big acting career might be over.

Netflix just announced they will cancel House of Cards after season 6. 

 

http://deadline.com/2017/10/house-of-cards-canceled-kevin-spacey-scandal-netflix-season-six-1202197604/

 

 

 

What century are we living in. He is a great actor and as far as I am concerned what he says and does (or what or who he fornicate with) in he own time, is non of my business.

[Luckysilk]

Exactly what he does in his personal life is not the issue, it’s that fact he’s a child molestor.

 

Its entertianing seeing all these Hollywood Socialist Millionares turn on each other, perhaps someone should make a movie about them and call it “The Deplorable's” 5555

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, Luckysilk said:

Exactly what he does in his personal life is not the issue, it’s that fact he’s a child molestor.

 

Its entertianing seeing all these Hollywood Socialist Millionares turn on each other, perhaps someone should make a movie about them and call it “The Deplorable's” 5555

You're just trying to make this a political American cultural wars issue. Not cool. Sex crimes occur in all industries across all political lines. 

I don't think it's fair to permanently label Spacey as a "child molester" based on this one accusation.

I'm sure if there is a pattern with him others will be coming forward soon. 

 

[Jingthing]

33 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

What century are we living in. He is a great actor and as far as I am concerned what he says and does (or what or who he fornicate with) in he own time, is non of my business.

Well, I think if his career is really over because of this one accusation, that would be a case of a hysterical overreaction. 

I am taking into account the drunkenness, that the age difference wasn't that great, and the fact that the alleged advance was rejected and not forced after that.

But the fact that the kid was only 14 is quite bad compared to if it had been something like a 19 year old going after a 17 year old. 

Edited October 31, 2017 by Jingthing

[PETERTHEEATER]

18 hours ago, Just1Voice said:

Spacey is gay?  Well, that's a bit of a surprise to me.  

 

No, he's quite miserable right now due to suspicions that he is homosexual...

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

No, he's quite miserable right now due to suspicions that he is homosexual...

That's kind of bizarre. He's confirmed he is gay. His problem is the charge of an attempt at an underage sex crime. 

[ilostmypassword]

50 minutes ago, Luckysilk said:

Exactly what he does in his personal life is not the issue, it’s that fact he’s a child molestor.

 

Its entertianing seeing all these Hollywood Socialist Millionares turn on each other, perhaps someone should make a movie about them and call it “The Deplorable's” 5555

Just a bunch of lowlife p***y grabbers!

[Jingthing]

I think it's probably hard for most non-gay people to understand why Spacey is in the doghouse now with gay people. This article may explain that.

 

Anyway, personally I am sad if this ends his career even though he deserves at least some time in the doghouse. He clearly has a lot more great work in him that the world may not get to see now.

 

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But Hollywood isn't fooled. Out actors like Zachary Quinto, Wanda Sykes, Rosie O'Donnell, and Wilson Cruz called out Spacey for using the announcement of his sexual orientation as an excuse, a cover, a distraction tactic, and a dangerous conflation of gay identity and predatory behavior.

 

https://www.advocate.com/media/2017/10/30/hollywood-isnt-fooled-kevin-spaceys-coming-out-trick

Edited October 31, 2017 by Jingthing

[lannarebirth]

Apparently not only has the HOC series been cancelled but now production of what would be the final season has been suspended. Hey, I'm all for going after people who commit sexual assault but it needs to be remembered no one has been charged or convicted of anything here. Just some allegation on social media. I guess some award Spacey was about to receive has been rescinded as well. Due process anyone?

 

[hawker9000]

2 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

Apparently not only has the HOC series been cancelled but now production of what would be the final season has been suspended. Hey, I'm all for going after people who commit sexual assault but it needs to be remembered no one has been charged or convicted of anything here. Just some allegation on social media. I guess some award Spacey was about to receive has been rescinded as well. Due process anyone?

 

ROFL.   Due process?  Why?  We're not talking about criminal charges or incarceration or other CRIMINAL penalties.  Yet.  THAT is the forum where your legalities matter.  If there's to be a "People vs Spacey", THEN you can start yammering about due process.   Here, a victim has made allegations which Spacey has more-or-less admitted to, resulting in damage to his career.  Don't conflate crime & punishment with choices & consequences.   Political figures pay a price for THEIR claimed & unproven indiscretions every day, and I don't hear you begging for "due process" on THEIR behalf.   Why are actors any different?

 

Common sense anyone?

 

[juice777]

I don't know if it's true or not but the more worrying thing is that Kevin Spacey can't remember. How many 14 year old boys did he have sex with that he can't remember this one. If someone accused me of trying it on with a 14 year old girl I wouldn't be able to remember it to. But that's because I never did. Not because it was 30 years ago.

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[juice777]

So the British equivalent is different. Pray tell?? 
But really please don't tell. This thread sucks. 

Or Kevin Spacey dose

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[juice777]

I have no problem how he handled this.   An accusation was made and Spacey had no say over when that accusation would be made.   He apologized, if he did it, which is much, much more than many people have done.  
 
As far as the coming out, well, it's a little hard to apologize for a sexual advance without addressing the issue of sexuality and not doing so would have kept this in the news cycle much, much longer.   
 
He is a fantastic actor and I hope his career doesn't take too much of a hit over this.   Personally, I pay little attention to the politics or lifestyles of many of the people in the arts.   

Seems like you have forgotten he was 14 and that's statutory rape. And if he is actually telling the truth that he can't remember it well that's even more worrying. Another 10 reports by the end of the month me thinks. Maybe some of them even true. I wonder if the teen age drug dealer form American Beauty will be one of them. I can't remember seeing him In anything else so maybe his career will need a boost.

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[juice777]

Seems a bit crazy spacey would even say anything. Who would bother with a 30 year old story he said she said. .admitting it could end house of cards darn it.
Unless this is just the start.
Must be more too it than meets the eye.
So many gay famouse men out there. Its not a issue to be gay. But a ped is another story all together.

House of cards has been cancelled if you didn't already know.

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[Credo]

6 minutes ago, juice777 said:

Seems like you have forgotten he was 14 and that's statutory rape. And if he is actually telling the truth that he can't remember it well that's even more worrying. Another 10 reports by the end of the month me thinks. Maybe some of them even true. I wonder if the teen age drug dealer form American Beauty will be one of them. I can't remember seeing him In anything else so maybe his career will need a boost.

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It's not statutory rape because he did not have sex with the boy.   Even the boy admits it.   

 

You have a 30 year old situation and the young man saw an attorney years ago and was told he didn't have a case.   

[juice777]

It's not statutory rape because he did not have sex with the boy.   Even the boy admits it.   
 
You have a 30 year old situation and the young man saw an attorney years ago and was told he didn't have a case.   

Sorry I forgot to say attempted statutory rape. There's 2 things here he did it or he can't remember doing it. If he can't actually remember doing it. It's got to mean he can't remember doing it because he actually managed to have sex with enough under age teenagers that he can't remember this one. So what ever way you look at it he guilty of at least attempted statutory rape or actual statutory rape with other boys.

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[Ruffian Dick]

"Rapp described attending a party hosted by Spacey in which the actor picked him up, brought him to a bed and lay down on top of him after other guests left."

That don't sound right to me.

[Credo]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I appreciate how awkward this would be for Spacey. The reason he was in the fix that he got in was his decision to stay in the closet for so long. He made that bed himself. Now he's guilty of unfairly conflating underage sex crimes and homosexuality in the public's perception more than it was already. That explains why he's in the doghouse now among gay people. The price of the closet. 

 

There is usually a price for coming out of the closet but there is also a price for staying in the closet. Usually the price for the latter is hidden and is about emotional pain. This is a case where it's more revealed. 

 

Twenty/thirty years ago, nobody in entertainment would be criticized for staying closeted. They generally couldn't work if they were out. (Except of course in typecast stereotypical gay roles.) Now many people are working  as out. But it begs the question, suppose Spacey had come out as gay much earlier, would he have even been cast in House of Cards in the first place? 

Spacey would have grown up in a time when coming out would have been a poor career move.   Many people didn't come out publicly unless they had to.    He has maintained that sexual enigma status in his acting career, as evidenced in American Beauty and to a lesser extent House of Cards.   

 

I don't doubt that the allegations are true and Spacey did the right thing by making the apology.   If he doesn't remember, he at least suspects he was capable at the time, of such behavior.   

 

No matter how he handled it, the question of sex with a minor and being gay would have come up.   Had he denied it and called it "Fake News" or fabricated, the story would not go away.  He would face investigations by the the journalists at a minimum.   They would have dug up info on the party, where it was held, when it was held and who was there.   The shadow of suspicion would have loomed large over him for a very long time.

 

The politicized side of the gay community may well be upset, but the issue of his sexuality is HIS issue to live with as HE sees fit.   I admire Wanda Sykes (and also enjoy her humor) and Rosie O'Donnell for publicly standing up for gays and gay rights, but they do not have the authority to kick anyone out of the community.   It's not a club for which one gets selected.   

[juice777]

So who's next? What's the next big scandal a certain movie superstar who happens to be a high ranking member of a certain controversial religion. OR American sports maybe the NFL , why not we had UK football don't see why NFL would be any different. Rock bands from the 60s and 70s and there groupies? the list is going to be endless.

 

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[Credo]

The Harvey Weinstein scandal will bring a lot of people out of the woodwork along with the #MeToo.   Men are, by nature, sexually assertive and some are aggressive. 

 

I suspect that people will soon be desensitized to it.   

[juice777]

The Harvey Weinstein scandal will bring a lot of people out of the woodwork along with the #MeToo.   Men are, by nature, sexually assertive and some are aggressive. 
 
I suspect that people will soon be desensitized to it.   

As long as we keep reading it they will keep printing it.

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[Jingthing]

I don't know about internationally, but in the U.S. I think the Weinstein thing is the start of a major sea change on such sexual abuses. It was building for a long time and now with pervasive social media and videos of everything, along with pushback against a president who has scores of such accusations against him (no way are all of them liars as he claims) the culture will change, and it will change quickly.

That's going forward. People guilty of things in the past must be shitting bricks now ...