Prayut wants people to have their say on country’s future

[klauskunkel]

[YetAnother]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

so everybody should help to turn it back to normality, he said.

whose 'normal' ? his ?

[kaorop]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

100% wrong. This is no government but a junta military strongman lord over the citizens. There no stability as any signs of dissent are forcefully and illegally arrested and slap with ridiculous charges. Road blocks and shutdowns are all set up by the proxy of the establishment and the military. Finally the military has been robbing the people batantly since 1932 and no one can touch them. Others are not so fortunate and have to run or die in the jail. You support a illegitimate government who seized power from a government mandated by the people. Other countries call this treason and a crime. That’s your choice to support an illegimate government. I support democracy and a government chosen by the citizens.

Yes one wonders why they havent moved to N Korea if they are so enamoured with 'stable' military governments. Fact is, beyond the obvious CB trolls the others would not stand for it in their own country..which kinda says 'Im a hypocrite' to the world.

[Enoon]

31 minutes ago, kaorop said:

Yes one wonders why they havent moved to N Korea if they are so enamoured with 'stable' military governments. Fact is, beyond the obvious CB trolls the others would not stand for it in their own country..which kinda says 'Im a hypocrite' to the world.

 

I suspect that many would indeed "stand for it" in their own country.

 

They see Thailand (correctly as far as the nature of the regime is concerned) as the same sort of haven as did the Nazis who fled to South America post WW2.

 

Like the Nazis there is only one way to deal with them.........and it's not talking to them on TVF.

 

 

[the guest]

You can have your say,  so long as you agree to everything I say!

[RichardColeman]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Prayut wants people to have their say on country’s future

Just not it's leader

[DuiDui48]

When Thais don't even teach their children the most basic "hygiene" of life,sweep infront of your on doorstep before...help mother and father to keep their house tidy,wash your hands BEFORE dinner,say thanks for the food served..don't litter..and moore...How on earth could Mr.P even remotly think that Thais would be intrested how their country is run when many of these people don't even try to pressure Tessabhan /Khamnan and other Goverment people to do a good job..

Many of these people are so afraid to even talk to their best friends how and what they REALLY think things should be done to get these people of their butt..Tam dee dee..put dee dee..Corruption is the biggest "winner"..and as long nothing is done to inforce law and order..I clean up Thais who litter "my"soi..hopefully something rubs off..babysteps...Living here since 15 years back,married..Meditation is my "mantra"to keep me from moving from this country,belive it or not..I can't think of going back to Sweden because it's all falling apart too..Sorry to sound negative but Thais need to be abel to speakup freely..Most of all Thais need a vision/path to a better future,easy for them to understand and follow.Because we all know to well that many of these Thais don't have basic skills in reading and writing..They don't need Mr.P pointing fingers,he is doing some good things..but mostly talk and no walk..me think.

 

I LOVE Thais in general,mostly my wife for having only 4 years in school,working since 10 years old,no she run togheter with her daugther a small Restaurant in a Issan town..10 years and counting..When i met her i asked what her dreams was..."open a Restaurant.."..well..her dreams came thrue by hard work and good food..Love her to death my dear life partner..Have a great day Thais and Farangs..God bless.

[DM07]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

not troll Eric,  I just prefer the current stable government in charge than the previous unrest and instability with protests and roadblocks.  Then they did a runner with the Thais money .....

common sense tells me who I support.

You can do what you like ...

He meant Prayut!

But if the shoe fits....

 

[yellowboat]

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

He said that highly anticipated reform could be realised if political parties integrated their policies with the national strategy that was being written by the regime.

You want popularly elected leaders to follow a strategy written by a regime that usurped power.  It is highly unlikely.  The Army does not have the moral authority nor a good track record in anything to inspire confidence. 

[sawadee1947]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

People could feel free to express their thoughts

...and end up in jail.....!!!!

[Reigntax]

7 hours ago, steven100 said:

Good job from Khun Prayuth Chan O Cha. The Junta are here and they are here to stay.....

 

In his weekly televised monologue on Friday, the head of the junta said he had no political motivation and he had no intention to intensify the political conflict. He said he did not mean to be in conflict with any “good and patriotic politicians and political parties”.

He only wanted to create some understanding and help lay out some principles for the people, Prayut said.

“What does that mean, when you say you want people to have a voice and be able to make a change in politics? So, all good and patriotic politicians should agree [with the idea of having people answer the six questions],” the PM remarked.

 

And for the farang who want to whinge and complain......  simple...

If Thailand is not suited to your way of governing, then maybe you should seriously look at other places to relocate. Life is to short to be miserable just because your not happy with the leader of the country.

 

Exactly the type of brainwashed alien Prayuth's needs in the country to cover up for the military's failures and so he can continue with the roadmap to "Chinese democracy".

[Reigntax]

7 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

Just out of curiosity...How old are you?

 

You need to ask the right question as age, especially in Thailand doesn't necessarily imply intelligence.

 

My suggestion would be "have you taken your medication today"?

 

If affirmed, the next would just be general advice to see a professional as the dosage is clearly incorrect

[Sid Celery]

Prayut wants people to have their say on country’s future.

 

Of course he does.

[Sid Celery]

2 hours ago, Reigntax said:

 

Exactly the type of brainwashed alien Prayuth's needs in the country to cover up for the military's failures and so he can continue with the roadmap to "Chinese democracy".

 

I'm sure you're right. But then the Thai people don't appear to have objected very hard, so I guess he's alright by them.

 

I assume they're all OK with not having any future except more of the same as they've always had. Their choice, NOMB. The sun is shining, the wind is blowing, what could possibly go wrong?

[Moti24]

8 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Keep away from the troll. Stop feeding him. 

The troll in question doesn't need feeding.  Most of his posts just ridicule other TV members; I think he must have been an abused child, or at least feels very insecure.

[coulson]

9 hours ago, jayboy said:

You appear deluded.The issue is not the negative or positive views of foreigners, being essentially irrelevant to the discussion in the country.The issue is what the people of Thailand see as their future.Prayuth and his backers have of course exerted themselves to stifle any kind of free debate.Even the promised election is saddled with a rigged constitution (which was not allowed to be discussed by the Thai people) and was drawn up by stooges.Nevertheless it appears that millions of Thais concur with the words of Oliver Cromwell to the Rump Parliament.

 

"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

 

And to borrow your mindless fatuous advice to foreigners who resist brainwashing, if you don't like the result - you too may as well take off.

I've had to settle down and resist the urge to respond to this guy, as another poster mentioned better just ignore him, either a troll or a fool, or both.

[chainarong]

Get rid of three quarters of the Thai military for starters, build up an elite military force that has capabilities, streamline the conscripts cutting it to a quarter of what is inducted now and brighten up that main institution that no-one seems to be allowed to talk about, take that on board General , sure to be a winner is some quarters...............................  

[oldgent]

elected government... have a look at the elected government in N Ireland

who at the moment are not in government. now i ask the question...

who is there in Thailand that would be trusted to form a government to 

give the people a stable and fair economy 

[Fat Prophet]

5 minutes ago, oldgent said:

elected government... have a look at the elected government in N Ireland

who at the moment are not in government. now i ask the question...

who is there in Thailand that would be trusted to form a government to 

give the people a stable and fair economy 

There are many/several people that could be trusted to manage a government that would give the Thai people a "fair and stable" society (sorry, economy really isn't the issue). The problem is that most/all of them are not electable against the crowd of corrupt politicians who promise the rural poor (who are the majority of voters) rice schemes and B30 medical care to "buy" their votes and drain the government's coffers to their and their friend benefit once they get in office.  And the rural poor really don't care if the politicians rob the government because they would not have benefited from the government's spending of that money in any event -- the "red shirt" vs "yellow shirt" battle that has been going on in Thailand for years. I liked (and trusted) Abhisit Vejjajiva when he was Prime Minister and thought he made a real positive effort to address the problems of working Thais and the rural poor. But the forces that control the government from behind the curtain were against him and, as a result, he and his government failed.  I expect that there are more talented Thais like Abhisit, but they are unlikely to be elected in the present environment or to survive very long if they were. It is not that Thailand does not have honest, competent people to run the government, it is that the Thai system doesn't give them a chance. In the US, the choice was Trump or Hillary Clinton; in Thailand, it was Taksin or the military -- take your pick, either way you lose.....

[Sid Celery]

4 hours ago, coulson said:

I've had to settle down and resist the urge to respond to this guy, as another poster mentioned better just ignore him, either a troll or a fool, or both.

I take it you don't like what he said then... If in doubt, abuse, it's always a good strategy when reasoned exchanges of opinion fail.

[Sid Celery]

1 hour ago, Fat Prophet said:

There are many/several people that could be trusted to manage a government that would give the Thai people a "fair and stable" society (sorry, economy really isn't the issue). The problem is that most/all of them are not electable against the crowd of corrupt politicians who promise the rural poor (who are the majority of voters) rice schemes and B30 medical care to "buy" their votes and drain the government's coffers to their and their friend benefit once they get in office.  And the rural poor really don't care if the politicians rob the government because they would not have benefited from the government's spending of that money in any event -- the "red shirt" vs "yellow shirt" battle that has been going on in Thailand for years. I liked (and trusted) Abhisit Vejjajiva when he was Prime Minister and thought he made a real positive effort to address the problems of working Thais and the rural poor. But the forces that control the government from behind the curtain were against him and, as a result, he and his government failed.  I expect that there are more talented Thais like Abhisit, but they are unlikely to be elected in the present environment or to survive very long if they were. It is not that Thailand does not have honest, competent people to run the government, it is that the Thai system doesn't give them a chance. In the US, the choice was Trump or Hillary Clinton; in Thailand, it was Taksin or the military -- take your pick, either way you lose.....

Hmmm. Well, all campaigning is vote-buying in one form or another. In all countries. Vote-buying is just a lie that the army tells people in order to discredit the redshirts. I never hear of them accusing the Dems, yet they were equally adept at the 500-baht strategy. Good people I suppose, that's the difference. 

[Sid Celery]

3 hours ago, chainarong said:

Get rid of three quarters of the Thai military for starters, build up an elite military force that has capabilities, streamline the conscripts cutting it to a quarter of what is inducted now and brighten up that main institution that no-one seems to be allowed to talk about, take that on board General , sure to be a winner is some quarters...............................  

If that happened, the officers wouldn't be able to feel they have superior status, the foundational need in Thai psychology. Couldn't happen. Which is a pity because I agree it is sorely needed if Thailand is ever going to be a smart country instead of a medieval reality-distortion zone.

[Jonah Tenner]

34 minutes ago, Sid Celery said:

I take it you don't like what he said then... If in doubt, abuse, it's always a good strategy when reasoned exchanges of opinion fail.

Abuse does not work on this one, I doubt ignoring him works either.

Dunning Kruger is strong in this one.

[stephen tracy]

16 hours ago, steven100 said:

Why don't you move if you are not happy in Thailand ?

I am happy in Thailand, I just don't like the so-called "government" and the ridiculous fool heading it.  

[stephen tracy]

16 hours ago, steven100 said:

One gets a bit sick of the farang living in Thailand who continue to throw mud at this government.

I live here and have done for the past 35 years,  I accept this government for what it is and what it has achieved, I don't sit their everyday whinging and whining and complaining day in day out.

 

Thailand needs someone at the top to control the parties as has been proven time & time again, but you just cannot seem to grasp that.

Thailand is not perfect, but it is a great place and many falang do appreciate what it has to offer, unlike a couple of negative TV farang who just can't bear the Junta in charge.

There are many expats who understand that this is Thailand and this is how it works .... they accept it for how it is.

Please don't waste your life on here whinging about the Junta or Khun Prayuth .... move on and enjoy your life.

As some thai's will tell you ..........  Why should you care ! it's not your country  !

 

There's more than a couple, it's you that are in the minority. So why do you bother coming on TV to try and argue an indefensible point. It's a waste of time as you wont convince anyone of anything.  

[Get Real]

I am sure that this is like 50% good intentions, and 50% PR for the sitting government. However it fails on a very big issue.
For people to get involved as a part of running the country, the questions must be at a certain level, so it really regards politics.
Politics is something that creates a discussion with different opinions, which has always been a problem for the people here to talk about.
Often when the people have different opinions, the discussions turns into violence instead of a sensible solution.
For this poll with six questions to be answered, it must be at a level so low that it almost not include any politics.

[BangkokReady]

7 hours ago, Sid Celery said:

all campaigning is vote-buying in one form or another. In all countries.

It's really not. Not in the same way that buying off villiage headman, offering "business loans", or the rice pledge scheme are. Night and day difference.

7 hours ago, Sid Celery said:

Vote-buying is just a lie that the army tells people in order to discredit the redshirts.

Do you have any evidence for this? I ask since I have seen articles by journalists and academics discussing the Thaksin vote buying in great detail.

7 hours ago, Sid Celery said:

I never hear of them accusing the Dems, yet they were equally adept at the 500-baht strategy.

Because the vote buying the Dens did was in a much lower scale. It was average or traditional vote buying. The vote buying fron Thaksin and his puppets was a lot more organised and on a much larger scale.

[gk10002000]

What does "have a say " mean?  People can't vote.  People can't form political parties.  People can only answer 6 questions and must identify themselves and be labeled and their answers recorded?

[stephen tracy]

Here we go again... my gang of crooks isn't as bad as yours. It's so tiresome. The last gang of crooks were appalling, as are the new gang, and the latter have taken things to even newer lows by making free speech a criminal offence punishable by jail, created "Attitude Adjustment" (something that wouldn't sound out of place in a Monty Python sketch it is that absurd), and will do anything to protect their masters who installed them.  Yes, the elites of the country (people you can not name on this forum) are the country's terminal cancer that will never allow the antidote of democracy to take root lest they lest they lose their exclusive rights to the whole pie.

[stephen tracy]

5 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

 and keep itWhat does "have a say " mean?  People can't vote.  People can't form political parties.  People can only answer 6 questions and must identify themselves and be labeled and their answers recorded?

It's Prayut demonstrating that the gloves are now off and he really doesn't care what anyone thinks anymore. The little man-child is so totally intoxicated on his own power (something he doesn't hesitate to remind the Thai people via the media) that he fails to realise that everyone knows he was installed by those above him.  The last three years has been nothing but a piece of amateur dramatics with a dreadful cast and bad script.  The elections will be a piece of ridiculous theatre which Prayut and his masters hope will be enough to satisfy the international community and prevent a flight of capital and sanctions.