British man dies suddenly in Thailand one month after getting married

[catman20]

On 12/29/2017 at 3:04 PM, Enoon said:

 

Bugger, there goes 10 mins of typing an argument for an unsuspicious death.  Well done anyway.

 

Never mind, I can still use this:

 

The cause of death was/is known to the various agencies involved and to his next of kin......his Thai wife.

 

That being the case it was perfectly reasonable for the cremation to take place.

 

Apparently it was not thought necessary to get an OK from TVF contributors first.

 

(It wouldn't have hurt for anyone to have read the newspaper article and discovered that his 19 years of Thailand experience is unlikely to have made of him a "lamb to the slaughter")

 

 

 

It wouldn't have hurt for anyone to have read the newspaper article and discovered that his 19 years of Thailand experience is unlikely to have made of him a "lamb to the slaughter")

 

ive met people here that have been here that long and their still as green as they were when they got here. far too young to pass, RIP

[catman20]

14 hours ago, Slain said:

Dengue fever is a terrible disease. I knew a young guy in his early twenties caught it twice in Sri Lanka and he thought he was going to die both times.  According to him it's even worse when you get it the second time.

ive had it twice when i was 54 and 58 first time was worst for me, was very poorly but never thought i was going to die.

[Guitar God]

On 12/29/2017 at 2:18 PM, Nong Khai Man said:

Suspicious ???

Only on Thaivisa could a story about a 62 year old man who gets sick, is taken to a hospital, slips into a coma and dies three days later be deemed suspicious. 

 

 

[geronimo]

People die suddenly every day ... nothing new here .....

[billd766]

8 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

toxicology will be all negative is the wife opened a jar full of dengue laden mosquitoes in her tirak's bedroom as she left to visit her brother for a week.

 

Have you ever tried to catch a jar full of mosquitoes and then sort through them all to ensure that they are the ones that carry dengue fever?

 

Do you truly believe that his WIFE and not his tirak would do that?

 

If that is your belief then I am sorry for you. It must be a sad life that you live trying to convince people with your conspiracy theories.

 

BTW are you a fully qualified doctor or coroner?

[MyFriend You]

On 12/29/2017 at 2:19 PM, Just1Voice said:

Doesn't say how old the new Thai wife was?  If a lot younger, and a lot of Mattress Mambo was involved, that might explain things.  Or a large insurance policy in the new wife's name.  Don't mean to sound cynical, but this sort of thing is common in the Land of Fake Smiles. 

 

Yeah, remember the story of one TV member found out his wife took out an insurance policy on him without him even knowing it??  Lucky for him he duffed off back to his home country before she could have him done in.  "He was sick days before he was supposed to go home"   There are many slow acting poisons that could explain that, Viagra would cause unexpected blood pressure drops and cause cardiac arrest, so that rules Vitamin V out..........suspicious indeed.  We shall see says the blind man!! 

Edited December 31, 2017 by TunnelRat69

[MyFriend You]

On 12/30/2017 at 11:00 AM, Kerryd said:

Sigh.

Even when you publish the facts it seems people prefer to just ignore them and make crap up to try and justify their preconceived notions and prejudices.

It seems Mr Diamond had over 19 years of experience living in Thailand. He wasn't some wide-eyed, fresh off the plane, n00b that got hitched to the first woman that smiled at him after arriving.

He got sick around mid-December and went to the hospital in Udon Thani. He was diagnosed with Dengue Fever. A few days later (on 20 Dec) he slipped into a coma and died.

As he was in a hospital and diagnosed with a disease (that ended up killing him) it is unlikely that an autopsy would have been done. My dad was in a hospital in Pattaya when he passed on (from advanced lung cancer) and they didn't do an autopsy either because they already knew what killed him and could complete the Death Certificate.

It appears that shortly after his death, Mr Diamond's body was taken to a temple in his wife's home village where they had a lengthy ceremony (3 days) and then the cremation on the evening of 25 December.
In the case of my father, he died on a Saturday afternoon. As a result, it took us 5 days to get the paperwork, make the trip to the Embassy in Bangkok and then make the arrangements with the temple. He was cremated (after a short, 1 day ceremony) on the 6th day. I'm not sure if Mr Diamond's wife made the trip to the Embassy in Bangkok (though the hospital and the temple would have no doubt mentioned that there was certain paperwork that would be needed before the cremation could be done). I noted in the news article that Mr Diamond's relative(s) were under the impression that the "ceremony" had taken place in Bangkok and Udon Thani so there may have been some miscommunication going on there and "Bangkok" was mentioned because of the need to go to the Embassy.

As for Dengue Fever, when I saw that on his wife's Facebook post I too looked it up. It has been in the news recently (in Thailand) and just before Christmas a friend of my girlfriend died. She too had been diagnosed with Dengue Fever. 

Dengue Fever:

Symptoms

In some cases, Dengue infection is asymptomatic – persons do not exhibit symptoms. Those with symptoms get ill between 4 to 7 days after the bite. The infection is characterized by flu-like symptoms which include a sudden high fever coming in separate waves, pain behind the eyes, muscle, joint, and bone pain, severe headache, and a skin rash with red spots. Treatment includes supportive care of symptoms. There is no antiviral treatment available. 

 

The illness may progress to Dengue Hemorrhagic Fever (DHF). Symptoms include severe abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, convulsions, bruising, and uncontrolled bleeding. High fever can last from 2 to 7 days. Complications can lead to circulatory system failure and shock, and can be fatal (also known as Dengue Shock Syndrome).

Hmmmmm   His wife's Facebook page reported he died of Dengue Fever.........so the British Embassy  is using a Facebook comment as proof of death now.??............Sweet Jesus Help Us!!!.............Autopsy and nothing else should be used to determine cause of death, do you know how easy it is to get fake paperwork in Thailand - at a minimum, a blood test to determine  actual Dengue.

 

 I have had it twice, Thailand and Indonesia,  and No, it is no picnic, last time I was 62 and took 2 weeks to recover but I had a good immune system..  I had a person working for me that almost died from Dengue - the cure was a complete blood transfusion in Singapore - they blamed her non-recovery to a poor immune system because she was a Vegetarian and skinny as a rail.

[MyFriend You]

5 hours ago, catman20 said:

It wouldn't have hurt for anyone to have read the newspaper article and discovered that his 19 years of Thailand experience is unlikely to have made of him a "lamb to the slaughter")

 

ive met people here that have been here that long and their still as green as they were when they got here. far too young to pass, RIP

I know a manager of a bar on Soi 4 that claims he has never been inside Nana Plaza, has been in Thailand 8 years, and speaks fluent Thai.  Years ago, He was a Thai Linguist in the Army and they sent him to Phnom Penh Cambodia - go figure

[atyclb]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

Have you ever tried to catch a jar full of mosquitoes and then sort through them all to ensure that they are the ones that carry dengue fever?

 

Do you truly believe that his WIFE and not his tirak would do that?

 

If that is your belief then I am sorry for you. It must be a sad life that you live trying to convince people with your conspiracy theories.

 

BTW are you a fully qualified doctor or coroner?

 

wow... take a deep breath then exhale. my comment was intended in a light hearted way. you forget what forum htis is??

 

i cant believe someone would astonishingly dissect the components of my post, collecting mosquitos degree of difficulty and all LOL then paranoia enough to use the "conspiracy theory" term 

 

btw, it is common for a wife to call the husband "tirak"

 

 

i wont even comment about being a fully qualified doctor or not

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎12‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 10:29 AM, mitsubishi said:

Thailand has Dengue fever? Was he living in a marsh?

 

Or was it some sort of poison to mimic or similar symptoms?

Are you serious?

Thailand has endemic dengue.

[thaibeachlovers]

Given the mass of conspiracy theories on this thread I hope the guy's family don't read it.

There is no proof that anything bad was done

People do die of dengue fever

He was in a hospital when he died

It's normal to cremate people here

 

Trying to make out something bad happened, IMO, shows only how many people on TVF hate Thai people. Sad.

 

[Peterw42]

16 minutes ago, TunnelRat69 said:

Hmmmmm   His wife's Facebook page reported he died of Dengue Fever.........so the British Embassy  is using a Facebook comment as proof of death now.??............Sweet Jesus Help Us!!!.............Autopsy and nothing else should be used to determine cause of death, do you know how easy it is to get fake paperwork in Thailand - at a minimum, a blood test to determine  actual Dengue.

The guy was already in hospitial and diagnosed with dengue fever then died from it. People die in hospitial everyday from the injury or the disease they were in there for, and no autopsy is done. I dont think the Embassy is using facebook, most likely the death certificate from the hospitial.

Better call in CSI, a westerner has died in hospital from a known deadly disease.

[NanLaew]

On 12/29/2017 at 3:58 PM, sanemax said:

Way too many "probablys" , "coulds" and "maybes" and assumptions in that post

Agreed. Complications from dengue, died in hospital. Sad but sorted.

 

RIP Stuart. Too young at 62.

[NanLaew]

On 12/29/2017 at 8:07 PM, gk10002000 said:

Since he was hospitalized, I would naively hope there was blood and urine and tissue samples available for toxicology analysis, poisoning checks etc. 

Stupidly hope you mean?

 

"...toxicology analysis, poisoning checks..."    Seriously?

[MyFriend You]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you serious?

Thailand has endemic dengue.

Let me throw another monkey wrench in the works, it has been very cold in Isaan for the past month, mosquitos don't fair well in cold weather, they hibernate.......but it is possible for them to survive in your toasty warm house, or any Farang bar.  

[NanLaew]

On 12/30/2017 at 10:29 AM, mitsubishi said:

Thailand has Dengue fever? Was he living in a marsh?

 

Or was it some sort of poison to mimic or similar symptoms?

I caught Dengue Fever in a serviced apartment in Bangkok.

[MyFriend You]

13 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The guy was already in hospitial and diagnosed with dengue fever then died from it. People die in hospitial everyday from the injury or the disease they were in there for, and no autopsy is done. I dont think the Embassy is using facebook, most likely the death certificate from the hospitial.

Better call in CSI, a westerner has died in hospital from a known deadly disease.

In that case, the family would have been notified as to the cause of death - what do you think generates all our 'speculative remarks'  The family reported they have not been told what he died of - it is suspicious he was cremated before the Embassy was notified of a citizen death with a death certificate indicting the cause........just saying........this is TVF after all. 

 

 Myself, it is in my will that I not be cremated, my brother, should he survive me has to come and collect my body and take me home.  Thats what insurance is for.

[NanLaew]

22 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

The money he left her prob paid fro all that Every Tom Dick and Harry would of been there drinking free booze on the scotsman

And how exactly did you come to settle on the TV moniker of 'happyman"?

[Peterw42]

10 minutes ago, TunnelRat69 said:

In that case, the family would have been notified as to the cause of death - what do you think generates all our 'speculative remarks'  The family reported they have not been told what he died of - it is suspicious he was cremated before the Embassy was notified of a citizen death with a death certificate indicting the cause........just saying........this is TVF after all. 

I get your point but, even in Australia were I am from, the death certificate takes a week or so and is arranged by the funeral directors. You get a call from the funeral directors, go and pick up the ashes and death cert.

I had to return to Australia for a funeral and needed a death cert to fast track Thai wives visa, it was not available, I had to rely on a document from funeral directors.

 

[Happyman58]

16 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

And how exactly did you come to settle on the TV moniker of 'happyman"?

Easy  suiets my style How did u come up with the name Nan Laew Oh i see thats you banging your head against the wall lol

[NanLaew]

22 minutes ago, TunnelRat69 said:

mosquitos don't fair well in cold weather, they hibernate....

Not in Isaan they don't!! I am in Udon and if my lad leaves my black toolbag open on the front porch, it becomes home to loads of 'resting but not hibernating' mozzies.... in broad daylight.

 

Mosquitoes hibernate. They are cold-blooded and prefer temperatures over 80 degrees. At temperatures less than 50 degrees, they shut down for the winter. The adult females of some species find holes where they wait for warmer weather, while others lay their eggs in freezing water and die. The eggs keep until the temperatures rise, and they can hatch.

 

Mozzies hibernate when temperatures get around 50 and below and standing water doesn't freeze up here either. It just doesn't get that cold for that long in Isaan, sorry.

[NanLaew]

24 minutes ago, TunnelRat69 said:

Myself, it is in my will that I not be cremated, my brother, should he survive me has to come and collect my body and take me home.  Thats what insurance is for.

In the meantime, just make sure you die in a Thai hospital, OK?

[PoorSucker]

On 29/12/2017 at 2:19 PM, tracker1 said:

Unfortunately many foreigners seem to die in Thailand !

I am a foreigner in Thailand and I don't want to or expect to live for ever, we all die. 

[jenny2017]

On 12/29/2017 at 2:22 PM, ratcatcher said:

Very!    And not too many details as to his circumstances, connections, here in Thailand other than his recent marriage to an Udon girl..  

Very very very much suspicious. Why would anybody cremate a body if an autopsy should have done first? You can't do it the way around.

 

 Farang death has not yet picked him up. The cruel list of deaths: https://www.farang-deaths.com/

 

   RIP

Edited December 31, 2017 by jenny2017

[NanLaew]

33 minutes ago, TunnelRat69 said:

it is suspicious he was cremated before the Embassy was notified of a citizen death with a death certificate indicting the cause.

My friend was diagnosed with terminal cancer a couple of years ago and was at home until very shortly before his death when, as recommended by the hospital, friends, legal counsel and the British Embassy, he was readmitted to hospital so that the formalities would be much simpler, ie. no need for a mandatory autopsy at Police Hospital in Bangkok, which is the case even if his death was at his own, registered home.

 

With regard to the OP, the British Embassy in Bangkok were notified of a death of a UK citizen in an Udon hospital and the body was permitted to be released to next of kin for cremation which is standard operating procedure. If the guy had a will saying the body was not to be cremated but flown home, the British Embassy would still have signed off on that. When a body is returned to the UK, the Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages for the district where the funeral is to take place must be told and will need to issue a certificate before burial can take place. If a cremation is to take place the Home Office also needs to give permission. 

 

I understand that if the overseas death was under suspicious circumstances, then a coroners report and UK autopsy would be needed before any burial or cremation there.

 

So where on earth is this great mystery here?

[NanLaew]

25 minutes ago, Happyman58 said:

Easy  suiets my style

Citation (badly) needed.

[NanLaew]

9 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Very very very much suspicious. Why would anybody cremate a body if an autopsy should have done first? You can't do it the way around.

 

 Farang death has not yet picked him up. The cruel list of deaths: https://www.farang-deaths.com/

 

   RIP

Read Post #52.

 

The EXACT CHRONOLOGY AND THE PROCEDURES FOLLOWED are all explained there.

[NanLaew]

7 hours ago, catman20 said:

ive had it twice when i was 54 and 58 first time was worst for me, was very poorly but never thought i was going to die.

Maybe, like me when I caught it at 53 years old, you have no pre-existing medical conditions that can make dengue more risky.

 

The guy in the OP is a year older than me. If I catch it again, I certainly am not foolish enough to think I can 'shake it off' as easily as I did 7 years ago.

[Peterw42]

27 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Not in Isaan they don't!! I am in Udon and if my lad leaves my black toolbag open on the front porch, it becomes home to loads of 'resting but not hibernating' mozzies.... in broad daylight.

 

Mosquitoes hibernate. They are cold-blooded and prefer temperatures over 80 degrees. At temperatures less than 50 degrees, they shut down for the winter. The adult females of some species find holes where they wait for warmer weather, while others lay their eggs in freezing water and die. The eggs keep until the temperatures rise, and they can hatch.

 

Mozzies hibernate when temperatures get around 50 and below and standing water doesn't freeze up here either. It just doesn't get that cold for that long in Isaan, sorry.

Interesting post, but do you realise that its only the residents of one country in the world that understand "50 degrees", the rest of us (from the rest of the world) have no idea how hot or cold that is.

[NanLaew]

1 minute ago, Peterw42 said:

Interesting post, but do you realise that its only the residents of one country in the world that understand "50 degrees", the rest of us (from the rest of the world) have no idea how hot or cold that is.

I can only apologize if you are less worldly like the 'rest of the world' you refer too but are you familiar with the term GIYF?

Edited December 31, 2017 by NanLaew