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Was with a women here for quite a while ....had a child. Went through cyclic bouts of her psychotic episodes. Generally over nothing. She'd say her brain would get a short circuit. Could go on for three days. Screaming etc. Violence. Totally out of control. She was diagnosed with BPD although it has been suggested to me it sounded like yaba withdrawal. I never really considered it as she always said she was dead against drugs...but I do wonder. She would want to do a runner usually every 3 months. I do remember early in the piece when I first met her and we weren't living together....her being totally out of it a couple if times. Said she'd taken sleeping pills but looked like a bit more than she was sleepy. Anyone had any experience with a girl with a drug problem? Is it something they become addicted to and withdraw from?

 

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When I was younger I did meth for about 3 years.  Once I decided to quit I experienced the following:

extreme tiredness

low energy

depression 

lack of motivation 

trouble with my appetite

 

and some people report nausea but I never experienced it.  I never had any urge to be violent, never committed any crime (besides drug taking), never had any psychotic episodes.  

It is very possible to get addicted to it as you take some, then when it's wearing off you take more, then take more, then before you know it you've been up for a week. It's easy to recognize when someone is on a binge because they generally look terrible (you can tell they haven't slept, oily skin) and don't stop talking. 


If you take sleeping pills you generally sleep or laze around on a couch, there isn't much motivation to do anything else.  If you take large doses you do nod off quite easily.  

It sounds like this girl has bigger problems than drug abuse. 

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Yes it could be a combo of the too. Usually the episodes would start over nothing. She would stew and stew and then explode. Like I said 3 days. Her face and even head appeared to be swollen after. There was depression and laziness and lack of motivation too. Then bouts of manic behavior. Most completely selfish and greedy person I have ever met

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1 hour ago, akirasan said:

When I was younger I did meth for about 3 years.  Once I decided to quit I experienced the following:

extreme tiredness

low energy

depression 

lack of motivation 

trouble with my appetite

 

and some people report nausea but I never experienced it.  I never had any urge to be violent, never committed any crime (besides drug taking), never had any psychotic episodes.  

It is very possible to get addicted to it as you take some, then when it's wearing off you take more, then take more, then before you know it you've been up for a week. It's easy to recognize when someone is on a binge because they generally look terrible (you can tell they haven't slept, oily skin) and don't stop talking. 


If you take sleeping pills you generally sleep or laze around on a couch, there isn't much motivation to do anything else.  If you take large doses you do nod off quite easily.  

It sounds like this girl has bigger problems than drug abuse. 

+1

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When I look around our village there are people who are just the same as described. From what I can tell they are emotionally damaged alcoholics. 

 

Unfortunately it seems to be very common. 

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If she is taking 'sleeping pills' they are probably benzodiazepines. And yes, they can create serious withdrawal symptoms.  She'd needs to taper off of them, if that's what she's been taking.

Thai doctors are great at prescribing them, but know next to nothing regarding titrating a patient off of them.

Check out the link and have her work with her local clinic or doctor if benzos are her problem.
https://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/

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8 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

I would suggest getting professional advice and if it is drugs I would suggest a visit to some monks

 

 

assuming a health care professional concludes drug abuse would the health care pro refer to monks? or to a medically supervised rehab ?

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to the op

 

google . "postpartum depression"

 

bpd is very difficult to cope with and majority of therapists do not want to treat them.

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On 1/7/2018 at 9:23 AM, Kenny202 said:

Most completely selfish and greedy person I have ever met

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"Before a character becomes victimized, they must first cross over the threshold of the vampire's lair. In a reverse setting, the vampire must similarly be invited to cross over the threshold of the victim's abode"

 

 

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From my very limited experience with a couple of users, it does not sound like Ya Ba. They tend to be "wired" and will often acquire some sort of "nervous" repetitive behavior, will talk rapidly but make little sense, and rarely appear tired, but will crash hard when they do sleep. Ya Ba withdrawal I have only seen once, and the person appeared very confused and was hearing and seeing things that were not there. They seemed alert, but in another world.

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YaBa doesn't get you physically addicted, there are no physical withdrawal symptoms if she quits taking it. It's a purely psychological addiction, I've witnessed a regular user quitting without any symptoms.

 

What you describe, if it has anything to do with yaba, could be her state after having done yaba for a few days in a row: It lets you stay awake and be happy and active for several days if you keep taking another pill, but at the end of the binge they crash hard, and in the hours before they crash, they can get violent, depressed, angry, sad and VERY psychotic...

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On 06/01/2018 at 9:13 PM, Kenny202 said:

No need to pity him. He's with me safe and sound. I do worry at some point she will come back on the scene tho

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You have no idea how much I admire you. A long time ago my "hero worship" changed from pop stars and actors to single parents who simply took over the parenting role single handedly when their other half got lost in the world of drugs.

   I myself was addicted to alcohol most of my adult life from the age of 14. I am 68 now and 17 years sober. That day I put down my last drink unfortunately came too late to have a life with my children.

   I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Is it something they become addicted to and withdraw from?".... but in my experience..."people only get well when their time is up".... for some that day may never come.

  If it were not for the support of complete strangers I know I would be dead myself today.

  As a result I believe to day the greatest gift you can give to another being is SUPPORT.

    I believe (for me only) that it was not only those strangers help that saved me....but also their prayers.

  God Bless you, your child and your lady (I will include her in my prayers).

 

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snippet from http://www.acadianaaddiction.com/meth/symptoms-signs-effects

Symptoms

The symptoms of methamphetamine addiction will vary wildly among individual users. Variability is due, in part, to the differing genetic makeup of each person as well as the duration of meth abuse, the amount used, and the frequency in which methamphetamines are used. Common symptoms of methamphetamine addiction include the following:

Mood symptoms:

  • Euphoria
  • Overall sense of wellbeing
  • Depression
  • Anxiety

Behavioral symptoms:

  • Mounting legal problems
  • Preoccupation with obtaining, using, and recovering from methamphetamine use
  • Social isolation
  • Hiding drug use from others
  • Dangerous, risky behaviors
  • Impulsiveness
  • Unexplained financial problems
  • Mounting legal problems
  • Incarceration
  • Interpersonal relationship problems
  • Violent behaviors
  • Appetite depression
  • Binge/crash pattern of abuse
  • Aggression
  • Risky sexual behaviors
  • Tweaking – intently-focused attention

Physical symptoms:

  • Trembling and shaking
  • Nausea and vomiting
  • Insomnia
  • Tolerance
  • Addiction
  • “Meth mouth”
  • Open sores
  • Hair loss
  • Loss of skin elasticity
  • Decreased blood flow through the body’s tissues
  • Vasoconstriction
  • Tachycardia
  • Liver damage
  • Extreme rise in core temperature of body

Psychological symptoms:

  • Nervousness
  • Repetitive behaviors
  • Disorganized thoughts
  • Hallucinations
  • “Meth bugs” or the sensation of bugs crawling underneath the skin
  • Paranoia

Though meth abuse and addiction can inflict profound damage on a person’s mental, physical, social, and emotional wellbeing, meth addiction can be successfully treated with therapy, medication, or a combination of the two.

Effects

The effects of methamphetamine addiction and abuse can impact every single aspect of a meth user’s life. Meth is a terribly dangerous drug that can significantly change everything. The effects of meth addiction include:

  • Homelessness
  • Malnutrition
  • Incarceration
  • Financial ruin
  • Divorce
  • Domestic and child abuse
  • Full-blown toxic psychosis
  • Extreme paranoia
  • Impotence
  • Tooth loss
  • Compulsive, obsessive behaviors – tweaking
  • Alterations in memory and cognition
  • Violent behaviors
  • Functional changes in the brain
  • Behavioral changes
  • Brain damage
  • Decline in reasoning, motor skills, and judgment
  • Destruction of the body’s tissues and blood vessels
  • Inability for the body to properly repair damaged tissues
  • Anhedonia – the inability to feel pleasure
  • Increased infectious diseases
  • Seizures
  • Coma
  • Heart attack
  • Stroke
  • Death

Effects of Withdrawal

Withdrawing from methamphetamine is not a pleasant process; however it is not one of the more dangerous drugs to detox from. Meth detox should always occur in a proper rehab center under the careful eye of trained medical professionals. Symptoms of meth withdrawal include:

  • Deep, dark depression
  • Decreased energy
  • Increased sleeping
  • Teeth grinding
  • Night sweats
  • Emotional labiality
  • Irritability
  • Resumption of eating, leading to weight gain
  • Anxiety
  • Craving methamphetamines
  • Anhedonia
  • Suicidal ideations
  • Suicide
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Hmm. Maybe it's just the borderline personality disorder. Her life before I came along was a train wreck. I knew none of it before coming here to live with her. 3 other husbands and 3 other abandoned children all left with the ex or the exs family. I have no interest in helping her in anyway now. She sucked 5 years of my life away. Karma has already caught up with her in a big way but there will be more in store for her for sure

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Sounds like Yabba, residue stays in the brain for years, They have highs and lows , they get suicidal, some think they can fly, hence them jumping of high buildings. They lie and are deceitful. I cleaned a girl up took three years, but when i  had to return to the Uk , she was straight back on it, I made a hard decision and left for good, 

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14 hours ago, connda said:

If she is taking 'sleeping pills' they are probably benzodiazepines. And yes, they can create serious withdrawal symptoms.  She'd needs to taper off of them, if that's what she's been taking.

Thai doctors are great at prescribing them, but know next to nothing regarding titrating a patient off of them.

Check out the link and have her work with her local clinic or doctor if benzos are her problem.
https://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/

All the above is true but I haven't ever seen mentioned one other class of drugs which were readily available-and used frequently-by the Thai women in my village.

 

The "sleeping pills" that they took turned out to be antihistamine based tablets.Cheap and easily procurable.Those things(especially when taken with alcohol) created headaches,lethargy and,from what I saw,quite violent mood swings.

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All the above is true but I haven't ever seen mentioned one other class of drugs which were readily available-and used frequently-by the Thai women in my village.
 
The "sleeping pills" that they took turned out to be antihistamine based tablets.Cheap and easily procurable.Those things(especially when taken with alcohol) created headaches,lethargy and,from what I saw,quite violent mood swings.

I know the ones you mean and yes she did say she took those before. Little yellow ones get 100 for 50 baht I think.

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12 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:


I know the ones you mean and yes she did say she took those before. Little yellow ones get 100 for 50 baht I think.

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Thank you for your reply.

 

Quite a few Thai women showed me those little things and/or their equivalent in cold/flu medication.

 

They appeared to be on about the same level of "mother's little helpers" (Vincents,Bex powders) in the West about 50 years ago.

 

I certainly observed the quite violent mood swings.....and that is why I set out to learn more about what they were actually taking..

 

So..in just a collection of modest little villages..

 

1.Massive alcohol abuse-males and females of any age.

2.Yaba-but expensive-used by teens and twenties-predominately male.

3.Anti-histamines...much abused by the females in conjunction with alcohol.

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Not saying she worked in a bar but can you imagine the emotional , mental , physically toll it has on a human ? These are some of the most broken members of society ! Best advise you can give anyone that plans on marrying an ex bg is get an excellent psychologist you are going to need them .

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Not saying she worked in a bar but can you imagine the emotional , mental , physically toll it has on a human ? These are some of the most broken members of society ! Best advise you can give anyone that plans on marrying an ex bg is get an excellent psychologist you are going to need them .

Working in a bar was the least of her worries. Most of them actually love the lifestyle. Glamorous they think. Easy money. Most are nothing more than lazy criminals. And broken certainly. Her family and child hood a horror story. And I took that into consideration far too much for far too long. All that a side a very nasty selfish individual

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2 hours ago, Kenny202 said:


Working in a bar was the least of her worries. Most of them actually love the lifestyle. Glamorous they think. Easy money. Most are nothing more than lazy criminals. And broken certainly. Her family and child hood a horror story. And I took that into consideration far too much for far too long. All that a side a very nasty selfish individual

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I think they call it the Florence nightingale syndrome . We hope we can mend what’s broken but for the most part the cracks are far too deep . The best thing you can do is keep her away from your kid !She is better off being dead to your kid then being a terrible parent . Good luck mate 

 

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If she is home all the time and you are seeing it then it could be just migrane attacks but its easy to notice if she has been taking drugs. If she's been taking drugs then the chance of someone screwing her is big. But if she dissapears or acts strangely and have that as reason why she dissapears xx times a year then theres probably a ex bf or customer she is seeing. Watch out for the signs when she tells you she needs to go away to monastery etc. Buy drugtests and ask her to take it.

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I think they call it the Florence nightingale syndrome . We hope we can mend what’s broken but for the most part the cracks are far too deep . The best thing you can do is keep her away from your kid !She is better off being dead to your kid then being a terrible parent . Good luck mate 
 

Yeah the rescuing thing has sucked many of us in and I'm as guilty as anyone. I think you get in so deep emotionally and often financially it's hard to give up your lost cause. I agree and I now make it as unpleasant as possible anytime she contacts me. He wouldn't even know who she was now

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On 1/9/2018 at 10:14 AM, Sapporillo said:

YaBa doesn't get you physically addicted, there are no physical withdrawal symptoms if she quits taking it. It's a purely psychological addiction, I've witnessed a regular user quitting without any symptoms.

 

What you describe, if it has anything to do with yaba, could be her state after having done yaba for a few days in a row: It lets you stay awake and be happy and active for several days if you keep taking another pill, but at the end of the binge they crash hard, and in the hours before they crash, they can get violent, depressed, angry, sad and VERY psychotic...

Do some research Yaba is addictive and cheap to buy ,Why would the Thai government put people behind bars even  gave people the death sentence for it,

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My former wife would have fits of temper, all-out tantrums, etc, said she couldn't help it because she was a reincarnated samurai and ninja.  Not kidding.  Spoken as if it was a reasonable explanation, that there was no reason I should not accept it.  She was white and American (European descent), a yuppie go-getter and a bit of a narcissist.  Leaned toward New Age bs and fortune tellers when they told her what she liked; this was around the time the book Celestine Prophecy was popular, she loved that.  It's been over 20 years, I sometimes wonder if her tantrums got in the way of becoming a big-time CEO.

 

 

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