Yingluck still uncertain over political asylum application

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Yingluck still uncertain over political asylum application

By The Nation

 

Alleged photo of Yingluck in London (courtesy of Facebook page @secret100million).

 

Fugitive former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is still waiting to hear if she will be granted political asylum status in the United Kingdom, a source from Pheu Thai Party said on Sunday.

The source confirmed that Yingluck had filed the request for political asylum in the UK after the Supreme Court released its guilty verdict against her in November for her part in the rice-pledging scheme case.

 

Yingluck fled the country in August just before the court was due to read its verdict. The court later sentenced her in absentia to five years in jail for neglecting her official duty while supervising the scheme, resulting in a massive financial losses to the state.

 

Photographs of Yingluck were circulated in social media last week purporting to show her in London. Thai police have since confirmed the woman in the photos is Yingluck but have not been able to confirm when the photos were taken.

 

Thai officials revoked her four passports in late October so questions have been raised over which passport she used to gain entry into the UK.

 

The Pheu Thai Party source said Yingluck had no need to acquire a passport from any country for now because if her application for political asylum in the UK is successful she would be issued a passport or travel document which can be used from that date on.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30335661

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2018-01-08

[seajae]

so they have been lying to everyone saying they know nothing since her disappearance, nothing new for the ptp, they lied constantly while in office. Why lie when everyone knew she had done it, maybe they were trying to cover up their involvement  in it from the start, cant trust anything any of the politicians from any party say in Thailand

[AGareth2]

8 minutes ago, seajae said:

so they have been lying to everyone saying they know nothing since her disappearance, nothing new for the ptp, they lied constantly while in office. Why lie when everyone knew she had done it, maybe they were trying to cover up their involvement  in it from the start, cant trust anything any of the politicians from any party say in Thailand

oh dear!

don't you understand this is not lying

it is Thai talk

[Enoon]

2 hours ago, seajae said:

so they have been lying to everyone saying they know nothing since her disappearance, nothing new for the ptp, they lied constantly while in office. Why lie when everyone knew she had done it, maybe they were trying to cover up their involvement  in it from the start, cant trust anything any of the politicians from any party say in Thailand

 

"The source confirmed that Yingluck had filed the request for political asylum in the UK after the Supreme Court released its guilty verdict against her in November for her part in the rice-pledging scheme case."

 

Who is to say (prove) that this information was not conveyed to PTP in Thailand until 5 mins before they made the statement.......M'lud?

 

 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

oh dear!

don't you understand this is not lying

it is Thai talk

 

To be fair, senior PTP ministers have stated that "white lies" are acceptable and lying can be ethical.

 

So no one really expects them to tell the truth do they?

[gamini]

I guess a very big brown envelope given to the right people in the UK might solve her asylum problem. Because approving fake rice deals and other massive corruption by her cronies would not get her asylum!

[candide]

3 hours ago, seajae said:

so they have been lying to everyone saying they know nothing since her disappearance, nothing new for the ptp, they lied constantly while in office. Why lie when everyone knew she had done it, maybe they were trying to cover up their involvement  in it from the start, cant trust anything any of the politicians from any party say in Thailand

The PT said it already long time ago. It's the Junta who pretended not to know....

"Thailand's former Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is in London and seeking political asylum in the United Kingdom, a source in her Pheu Thai Party told CNN on Thursday."

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/28/asia/yingluck-shinawatra-asylum/index.html

[Ossy]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Thai officials revoked her four passports in late October so questions have been raised over which passport she used to gain entry into the UK.

 . . . so questions have been raised. Thai officialdom at its Thai bestest. 'Which passport?', indeed . . . evidently not one of the four they revoked. Maybe, after an hour's head-scratching, the brightest of the bunch says, "Ah, I got it . . . she must have had another passport or maybe gained entry to UK without passport, as an asylum seeker."

But no . . . after three whole months of head-scratching, they're still raising the same, totally pointless question … 'which passport?'

The scary thing is that this is the best that Thai officialdom has to offer or, at least, it's the best that Prayut dare put in front of the press. Just what goes on at Government House during a typical working day? I'd love to know and, for that matter, what do P's 1 & 2 do, during their eight-hour days?

[sammieuk1]

No immigration problems for her guaranteed  she can now buy a title and be known as Lady-Luck .The Tory's policy of trickle down economics all the way to the food bank has been met or at least to the nearest bullion dealer.

[farcanell]

50 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

she can now buy a title and be known as Lady-Luck 

Classic ?????

[Kieran00001]

2 hours ago, gamini said:

I guess a very big brown envelope given to the right people in the UK might solve her asylum problem. Because approving fake rice deals and other massive corruption by her cronies would not get her asylum!

 

Being convicted on politically motivated charges would get her asylum.

[Searat7]

34 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Being convicted on politically motivated charges would get her asylum.

She was Chairman of the Rice Committee and never went to one meeting....that alone makes her guilty of negligence and she was warned several times about serious problems with the program but did nothing. I’m surprised the junta is going after her because if they manage to put her in jail here Pheu Thai supporters would go crazy....but that would just give Prayut an excuse to delay the election further .

[HHTel]

Negligence is not a crime in the UK except under very special circumstances.

 

As far as I know, she can be granted a temporary stay of up to 5 years while the application is being considered.

[Ossy]

56 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Being convicted on politically motivated charges would get her asylum.

Most, if not all, will agree that Yingluck was naughty and that her mischief led to PT's downfall.

 

What the Junta and both YL-haters and YL-lovers now need to accept is that, post-coup, she was, for want of a better word, mishandled; eventually to the extent that she had to flee for her life, almost. She'd have got asylum anywhere.

 

And now, we all love her . . . give it a year or two and it'll be the country's favourite bedtime story

[hathairat2711]

No way Yingluck is going to be extradited by UK

your say January 08, 2018 01:00

 

 

 

If anyone ever deserved to be granted asylum in the UK then she does.

 

Orton Rd

Damn right she has! We still do not understand that most countries are refusing to extradite a person to a country without a democratically elected government. I am pretty sure that she’s going to get her political asylum too. Move on, folks. Not much more to see here.

Get Real

I wonder if she’s sharing a flat with Red Bull boy?

daboyz1

 

As far as I am aware, the UK does not have an Interior Ministry! All applications for political asylum are dealt with through the Home Office, or have things changed since I was last there?

graemeaylward

For one thing Yingluck is not going to be extradited to be locked up for something that is not a crime in the UK.

For another, her conviction and sentence for the same 

must surely provide “substantial evidence and reasons to 

justify the application for 

asylum”.

The Thai powers that are harping on about seeking extradition, can only strengthen Yingluck's case to stay in the UK, and make themselves look like ineffectual bullies.

Aj Mick

We have read a lot about applications being submitted to Interpol concerning two recent applications by the Thai police for assistance from them about bringing them back to Thailand. So far, Interpol does not appear too concerned about either of them. If the Thai authorities cannot prevent, resolve, or clean up cases within their own jurisdiction according to Thai laws, which it appears can be easily and readily circumvented if one has the status, position, knowledge, and money to do so, while the persons are still within the country, then why would any institution even offer to help? Maybe, Interpol may have put things on hold while waiting for some reason unknown to us regarding their lack of involvement. If the Thai authorities cannot arrest a cop killer while the killer is within the geographical boundaries of the country, why should Interpol waste its resources to help clean up the Thai authorities made mess?

wotsdermatter

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/your_say/30335637

[scorecard]

6 hours ago, seajae said:

so they have been lying to everyone saying they know nothing since her disappearance, nothing new for the ptp, they lied constantly while in office. Why lie when everyone knew she had done it, maybe they were trying to cover up their involvement  in it from the start, cant trust anything any of the politicians from any party say in Thailand

 

Agree, and the shin owned / financed party and it's 'yes sir, how high sir'  cronies prove again they cannot be trusted and they lack morals.

 

[scorecard]

36 minutes ago, hathairat2711 said:

No way Yingluck is going to be extradited by UK

your say January 08, 2018 01:00

 

 

 

If anyone ever deserved to be granted asylum in the UK then she does.

 

Orton Rd

Damn right she has! We still do not understand that most countries are refusing to extradite a person to a country without a democratically elected government. I am pretty sure that she’s going to get her political asylum too. Move on, folks. Not much more to see here.

Get Real

I wonder if she’s sharing a flat with Red Bull boy?

daboyz1

 

As far as I am aware, the UK does not have an Interior Ministry! All applications for political asylum are dealt with through the Home Office, or have things changed since I was last there?

graemeaylward

For one thing Yingluck is not going to be extradited to be locked up for something that is not a crime in the UK.

For another, her conviction and sentence for the same 

must surely provide “substantial evidence and reasons to 

justify the application for 

asylum”.

The Thai powers that are harping on about seeking extradition, can only strengthen Yingluck's case to stay in the UK, and make themselves look like ineffectual bullies.

Aj Mick

We have read a lot about applications being submitted to Interpol concerning two recent applications by the Thai police for assistance from them about bringing them back to Thailand. So far, Interpol does not appear too concerned about either of them. If the Thai authorities cannot prevent, resolve, or clean up cases within their own jurisdiction according to Thai laws, which it appears can be easily and readily circumvented if one has the status, position, knowledge, and money to do so, while the persons are still within the country, then why would any institution even offer to help? Maybe, Interpol may have put things on hold while waiting for some reason unknown to us regarding their lack of involvement. If the Thai authorities cannot arrest a cop killer while the killer is within the geographical boundaries of the country, why should Interpol waste its resources to help clean up the Thai authorities made mess?

wotsdermatter

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/your_say/30335637

 

"... , why should Interpol waste its resources to help clean up the Thai authorities made mess?'

 

An attention at diversion and nothing more.

 

Go back to the roots of the matter, she was grossly derelict in her duties, she and her advisers made the initial mess, not the current Thai authorities. 

 

 

[Just Weird]

51 minutes ago, HHTel said:

Negligence is not a crime in the UK except under very special circumstances.

Well, it either is or it isn't, "under very special circumstances" means, yes, it a crime according to you.

[JAG]

I guess a very big brown envelope given to the right people in the UK might solve her asylum problem. Because approving fake rice deals and other massive corruption by her cronies would not get her asylum!

I wonder, if she does get given asylum, will you raise this matter with HMs Government, at the highest level, and of course supply all the supporting evidence.
And when you do, please "copy us in" on the reply, I for one would love to see it...

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[Just Weird]

45 minutes ago, hathairat2711 said:

No way Yingluck is going to be extradited by UK

your say January 08, 2018 01:00

 

 

 

If anyone ever deserved to be granted asylum in the UK then she does.

 

Orton Rd

Damn right she has! We still do not understand that most countries are refusing to extradite a person to a country without a democratically elected government. I am pretty sure that she’s going to get her political asylum too. Move on, folks. Not much more to see here.

Get Real

I wonder if she’s sharing a flat with Red Bull boy?

daboyz1

 

As far as I am aware, the UK does not have an Interior Ministry! All applications for political asylum are dealt with through the Home Office, or have things changed since I was last there?

graemeaylward

For one thing Yingluck is not going to be extradited to be locked up for something that is not a crime in the UK.

For another, her conviction and sentence for the same 

must surely provide “substantial evidence and reasons to 

justify the application for 

asylum”.

The Thai powers that are harping on about seeking extradition, can only strengthen Yingluck's case to stay in the UK, and make themselves look like ineffectual bullies.

Aj Mick

We have read a lot about applications being submitted to Interpol concerning two recent applications by the Thai police for assistance from them about bringing them back to Thailand. So far, Interpol does not appear too concerned about either of them. If the Thai authorities cannot prevent, resolve, or clean up cases within their own jurisdiction according to Thai laws, which it appears can be easily and readily circumvented if one has the status, position, knowledge, and money to do so, while the persons are still within the country, then why would any institution even offer to help? Maybe, Interpol may have put things on hold while waiting for some reason unknown to us regarding their lack of involvement. If the Thai authorities cannot arrest a cop killer while the killer is within the geographical boundaries of the country, why should Interpol waste its resources to help clean up the Thai authorities made mess?

wotsdermatter

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/your_say/30335637

Well, that it sorted, then, emphatically.  Close the thread.

[jayboy]

4 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

"... , why should Interpol waste its resources to help clean up the Thai authorities made mess?'

 

An attention at diversion and nothing more.

 

Go back to the roots of the matter, she was grossly derelict in her duties, she and her advisers made the initial mess, not the current Thai authorities. 

 

 

By conducting a political vendetta I am afraid it is beyond dispute the current mess is of their making.

 

If all democratically elected politicians faced jail for not implementing their party programmes efficiently, most former leaders would be behind bars. - including Obama and Cameron.

 

Anyway taking your crazed ideas at face value, what penalty do you suggest for those who overthrow democracy by seizing power by force of arms? The comfy cushion?

[scorecard]

46 minutes ago, Ossy said:

Most, if not all, will agree that Yingluck was naughty and that her mischief led to PT's downfall.

 

What the Junta and both YL-haters and YL-lovers now need to accept is that, post-coup, she was, for want of a better word, mishandled; eventually to the extent that she had to flee for her life, almost. She'd have got asylum anywhere.

 

And now, we all love her . . . give it a year or two and it'll be the country's favourite bedtime story

 

"...she was, for want of a better word, mishandled; eventually to the extent that she had to flee for her life, almost. She'd have got asylum anywhere."

 

To some extent I don't disagree.

 

Put it another way her scaly brother and his immoral cronies hoodwinked her and took advantage of her.  Given their track record, are you surprised?

 

On the other hand she knew the track record of her scaly brother and his crones quite well. In fact I can't believe that she didn't have first hand information about all of their past activities, disgusting GT bank case just one example.

 

But she went right ahead and sat in the big chair. She had a choice, she chose to be part of an immoral scaly mob and do their bidding.

 

She made her own nest and is now suffering for it. Som num nar.

 

 

[Denim]

One thing for sure and that is if she is applying for political asylum the Junta are pulling out all the stops to make sure she gets it.

[katana]

1 hour ago, HHTel said:

Negligence is not a crime in the UK except under very special circumstances.

 

As far as I know, she can be granted a temporary stay of up to 5 years while the application is being considered.

I'm not sure about that. Lots of hits on Google under UK law where a duty of care is owed eg personal injury lawsuits and medical malpractice involve a claim of negligence. So does workplace safety eg corporate manslaughter charges.
What is unusual is a a politician being charged with negligence for dereliction of duty since it would set a dangerous precedent among politicians.

[HHTel]

10 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Well, it either is or it isn't, "under very special circumstances" means, yes, it a crime according to you.

If the negligence cause actual physical harm to another.  (mens rea)

 

This is not the case with YL.

[Happyman58]

14 hours ago, gamini said:

I guess a very big brown envelope given to the right people in the UK might solve her asylum problem. Because approving fake rice deals and other massive corruption by her cronies would not get her asylum!

I would say this She was the best  looking Pm in the world  Ask Obama he could not keep his hands off her But good looking or not she stole money off the Thai people  and now she is hoping to spend a wonderful life in England  I hope they send her back but i cant see it She has to much money and friends and when you are a good looking lady like she is a few favours for  right people gets you  what you want   Look at that attractive doctor in Thailand who got somebody to kill her hubby Was found guilty and got out on bail and where is she now Gone i would say it pays to be good looking  and rich sometimes I am ugly and poor so i get nothing

• s

[wakeupplease]

15 hours ago, gamini said:

I guess a very big brown envelope given to the right people in the UK might solve her asylum problem. Because approving fake rice deals and other massive corruption by her cronies would not get her asylum!

You have been living here to long, brown envelops are a Thai thing.I think your mind may have been corrupted, time for a holiday somewhere Thai free for you to get back to your better self

[HHTel]

2 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

she stole money off the Thai people 

No she didn't.  Check it.

[Kieran00001]

14 hours ago, Searat7 said:

She was Chairman of the Rice Committee and never went to one meeting....that alone makes her guilty of negligence and she was warned several times about serious problems with the program but did nothing. I’m surprised the junta is going after her because if they manage to put her in jail here Pheu Thai supporters would go crazy....but that would just give Prayut an excuse to delay the election further .

 

In most countries negligence only becomes criminal when a disregard for life was shown and also when people are actually injured or killed, nothing to do with not attending meetings or any amounts of loss of money.

[sebastion]

This what the junta want.
Shins out of the country is a win for them. Its trouble for the junta if they remain politically relevant. They don't care about justice. They just wanted their noses out of the trough because its someone elses turn.



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