Haunting CCTV shows ex-British soldier taking Thai prostitute to hotel before she plunged five floors to her death

[brewsterbudgen]

If she not was prostitute what was her job title?? 
But rip to this young lady
I hope we hear the sentence in here 
 

Bargirl will do.

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[rodney earl]

Whether she was selling sex (as all women are) is irrelevant, she was probably trying to support her child, children and her family and doing the only thing she could because of lack of education that the government fails to provide. If and I say if the ex british soldier did kill her the same punishment should be metted out to him. There is a lot of girls that call the british low so and in a lot of cases it is very applicable when you see the way they think they can do and get away with anything and everything here. Poor Girl. R.I.P.

[JSixpack]

11 hours ago, epicstuff said:

Its still harsh language and unnecessary. Were you  ever  taught not to  speak ill of the dead.  other  than accepting money for sex what the <deleted> has she done to deserve such criticism.

 

True. The average Pattaya bargirl is in a very different situation and category than the average Western prostitute. The insistence on a negative connotation is part of the diminishing of the value of her life to portray the wrongdoing by "one o' the lads" as less significant. And it's also to appeal to low prurient interest as do the articles in Brit tabloids about the Pattaya sex scene. 

 

[Rimmer]

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[Rimmer]

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[Kieran00001]

 

On 1/11/2018 at 12:06 PM, mok199 said:

thais who provide services are either long time or short time..these services range from sex to live in cartakers,they wash your clothes they buy your food and they cut the annoying rouge ear hairs,they become your mother your daughter your caretaker or your lover..this is more than sex for many, these  woman are companions and partners.,and anyone of these woman ''or so called prostitutes,'' will provide all of these services for you..what I have just laid out, is not the definition of a prostitute,but is in fact the definition of a thai ''working girl''..''I'' and many other men ,here refer to them as ''woman''..

 

Courtesans lived with our kings of old, performing every role of wife, but we still refer to courtesans as being prostitutes.

[mok199]

21 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

 

Courtesans lived with our kings of old, performing every role of wife, but we still refer to courtesans as being prostitutes.

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Edited January 14, 2018 by mok199

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, mok199 said:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

It bores you to learn that while you thought you knew the definition of prostitute you actually hadn't a clue?

[JSixpack]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

Courtesans lived with our kings of old, performing every role of wife, but we still refer to courtesans as being prostitutes.

 

 

Not necessarily and not always correctly. Moreover, use of the term may simply be an arrogant attempt to impose a rigid, culturally chauvinistic foreign definition inapplicable within another culture--as in this case, and as in the British application of the term to the courtesans in colonial India.

Edited January 14, 2018 by JSixpack

[JSixpack]

6 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

It bores you to learn that while you thought you knew the definition of prostitute you actually hadn't a clue?

 

Or maybe just bored with your fallacious "argument" using a different word incorrectly.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, JSixpack said:

 

Not necessarily and not always correctly. Moreover, use of the term may simply be an arrogant attempt to impose a rigid, culturally chauvinistic foreign definition inapplicable within another culture--as in this case, and as in the British application of the term to the courtesans in colonial India.

 

Courtesan is applicable in every culture, they are just high class prostitutes.

[mok199]

9 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

It bores you to learn that while you thought you knew the definition of prostitute you actually hadn't a clue?

WHAT bores me is your need to be correct, ( goggled) ,surpasses the respect for the young dead WOMAN....

Edited January 15, 2018 by mok199

[LennyW]

On 1/13/2018 at 10:34 PM, Henrik Andersen said:

If she not was prostitute what was her job title?? 

But rip to this young lady

I hope we hear the sentence in here 

 

Hostess.

[MrPatrickThai]

10 minutes ago, LennyW said:

Hostess.

Have you seen the vdos of her ?

 

Prostitution is a dangerous profession, especially in a city full of perverts, and criminals from all over the world.

 

The guy is in for a good beating. mark my words, Thai dont take kindly to a farang killing one of their own, allegedly or not. I knew a guy , 24, who threw his gf off a balcony re 1999. An ozzie who was beaten very badly, almost recognisable before trial.

[brewsterbudgen]

 
 
Courtesans lived with our kings of old, performing every role of wife, but we still refer to courtesans as being prostitutes.

Not just "of old"!

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[JSixpack]

10 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Courtesan is applicable in every culture, they are just high class prostitutes.

 

Such mindless chanting merely proves my point, thank you.

[isaanbanhou]

I wonder if the posters that are so concerned that she was described as a prostitute (despite that being her job) are disgusted by the connotation the word has in their home country and are worried what their families would think of them considering their use of such.

 

I can understand when you are phoning home to tell mom that you just got married it is less uncomfortable to say I married a guest relations specialist than i married a hooker.

[Kieran00001]

2 hours ago, mok199 said:

WHAT bores me is your need to be correct, ( goggled) ,surpasses the respect for the young dead WOMAN....

 

What is disrespectful in naming the job someone was doing when they died?  Unless you have disrespect for this profession then you would not take offence in its name being mentioned.

[Kieran00001]

23 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

 

Such mindless chanting merely proves my point, thank you.

 

No, it really doesn't as you didn't actually have one, your assertion that the courtesans of British India, for instance, were not prostitutes was just plain false, its really hard to understand why you seem to think you have something to offer here but, hey ho. 

[mok199]

23 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

What is disrespectful in naming the job someone was doing when they died?  Unless you have disrespect for this profession then you would not take offence in its name being mentioned.

dude ..we are way past your foolish rants...try and keep up...

[blubb]

On 1/13/2018 at 2:25 PM, sadinc said:

Legally there are 2 issues: In case of such deaths, 1st charge is negligence/recklessness/under influence of xxxxxxxx and if proven otherwise  then is upgraded to Homicide/Murder. Secondly it will not alter the facts even if the she was a hooker or not. The life of a sex worker is just as valuable as that of anyone else in the eyes of the law.

In this case, its important not to loose the focus on the past of the accused. As a deserter carrying generally dealt penalty in most countries with the fact that he has served time, and had serious charges against him a good criminal lawyer can get him tried and convicted for a minimum of 10 years without  parole board.

JUSTICE MUST NOT SEEM TO BE DONE BUT  ACTUALLY MUST BE DONE AS THE LAW. Also the nationality or country of accused should have no bearing in the case. 

the Thai justice system system should deliver sometimes harder or exceptional sentences to send out a message that THAI lives and Thai citizens must not be taken as tools of playthings and a few thousand baht cannot get you off in serious crimes.if you abuse the system the system should fall on you like a ton of bricks..Same thing applies in most countries.

back home in Australia, the guy who drove his SUV over the pedestrians was charged with reckless and negligent driving and under drugs-after the 1st victim died, upgrade charge to Unfortunate that there is no death penalty in Australia and is under review for terrorism related acts. 

 

 

Since you are not a Thai, you are a guest in this counrty, behave it like this. No odds what you think or it is good for Thailand, or how 'they' must run their country. 

 

  

[MrPatrickThai]

52 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said:

I wonder if the posters that are so concerned that she was described as a prostitute (despite that being her job) are disgusted by the connotation the word has in their home country and are worried what their families would think of them considering their use of such.

 

I can understand when you are phoning home to tell mom that you just got married it is less uncomfortable to say I married a guest relations specialist than i married a hooker.

 I think their families have a good idea. Its sad when I see married guys here that have grown up kids that have never visited them once, and I've known many.

[JSixpack]

56 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

No, it really doesn't as you didn't actually have one, your assertion that the courtesans of British India, for instance, were not prostitutes was just plain false, its really hard to understand why you seem to think you have something to offer here but, hey ho. 

 

Actually it's quite true, as you'd know if you read anything rather than mindlessly chanting simple-minded ignorance. One of many:

 

Scholars define a courtesan as a woman who provides a male patron with artistic graces, elevated conversation and her relatively exclusive sexual availability, Feldman said.

 

Not the same as a prostitute

 

Modern sensibilities have equated courtesanship with prostitution, but courtesans and their societies did not. When the British colonized India, they made courtesans register for medical checkups and taxed them as if they were prostitutes, Srinivasan said.

 

"They were really degrading them and placing them in a position they really did not have prior to that," she said.

 

And being a courtesan did not entail the same sense of shame that being a prostitute does, Feldman said.

--http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2002-04-03/features/0204030278_1_courtesans-renaissance-italy-kama-sutra

 

And as I noted a post or so before my last, that's basically what's going on here: degradation for the sake of misogyny, bigotry, low prurient interest, and minimization of wrongdoing by "one o' the lads."

Edited January 15, 2018 by JSixpack

[mok199]

36 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

 I think their families have a good idea. Its sad when I see married guys here that have grown up kids that have never visited them once, and I've known many.

I sit and stair at this keyboard and wonder ''what kind of men would say what you and issan just said''....then I though..ah who cares.. ..you 2 love birds have a good day now..

[Rimmer]

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[charmonman]

On 1/9/2018 at 11:04 PM, Just Weird said:

In this case, it is very relevant.

Whatever she did to make a living, she was still murdered or involved in a tragic accident that she did not deserve. That is what I mean by saying it is irrelevant.