Faeton Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Hello. received a tourist visa at the Kuala Lumpur Embassy, flew to Bangkok (Don Muang Airport), and the immigration office refused to enter because I have several tourist visas in a row. (I have with me confirmed and paid ticket from Thailand in next 90 days and a sufficient amount of cash. But them don't care about it ) they composed some papers and told me to go back to Kuala Lumpur and after i can fly whatever i want. So now i flight to KL and think what to do next. Maybe take another flight from KL to Cambodia, make again visa there and then try another border? Or thats not good idea? Or try to make papers for ED visa and then make ED visa and go to Thailand? But it will take a week or more to prepare documents i think. frustrating that my personal car is in their parking lot on the roof of Don Muang.) In any case, have to return to Bangkok. Are there any ideas what to do? thank you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jerojero Posted January 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2018 Hello. received a tourist visa at the Kuala Lumpur Embassy, flew to Bangkok (Don Muang Airport), and the immigration office refused to enter because I have several tourist visas in a row. (I have with me confirmed and paid ticket from Thailand in next 90 days and a sufficient amount of cash. But them don't care about it [emoji2]) they composed some papers and told me to go back to Kuala Lumpur and after i can fly whatever i want. [emoji2] So now i flight to KL and think what to do next. Maybe take another flight from KL to Cambodia, make again visa there and then try another border? Or thats not good idea? Or try to make papers for ED visa and then make ED visa and go to Thailand? But it will take a week or more to prepare documents i think. frustrating that my personal car is in their parking lot on the roof of Don Muang.) In any case, have to return to Bangkok. Are there any ideas what to do? thank you in advance. Yes. They are on to you and thousands of other foreigners who try to live permanently in the Kingdom by repeating Tourist visas. Your not a tourist. They caught you on this. This clampdown has been happening for several years. Good luck getting back into the Kingdom. 9 2 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Briggsy Posted January 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2018 Did they cancel your tourist visa? Maybe there is no need to get another visa. If not, get a flight to Vientiane, and cross at Nong Khai. This is one option. Or travel by long-distance bus or train from KL to Sadao or Padang Besar and then fly domestic from Hat Yai to Bangkok. That is another option. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rc2702 Posted January 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2018 What motor is it and any valuables in there? 6 1 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackThompson Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Faeton said: received a tourist visa at the Kuala Lumpur Embassy, flew to Bangkok (Don Muang Airport), and the immigration office refused to enter because I have several tourist visas in a row. (I have with me confirmed and paid ticket from Thailand in next 90 days and a sufficient amount of cash. But them don't care about it ) Yes, they don't respect or care about the laws they have sworn to uphold at many airport-checkpoints, so will deny entry even if you do not fit into one of the specified categories for rejection of entry. Please send a copy of your rejection stamp, so we can see what lie they stamped there. I would go by train to Pedang Besar and enter there. No problem if you have 20K Baht worth of cash to show. They actually obey the laws they are sworn to enforce at all land borders except the Poipet/Aranyaprathet checkpoint. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post anon537687643 Posted January 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2018 Having a valid visa issued by a Thai consulate and then being rejected by Thai immigration sums up the madness Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect 16 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) What stamps did immigration put in your passport? What additional papers do you have a copy of? Please scan and post a copy of your tourist visa, plus the above (after obscuring any personally identifiable information) and we can at least know what the official reason for the denied entry might be. Immigration is allowed, under guidelines issued in 2014, to deny entry to those with multiple visa exempt entries, but there is no way under Section 12 of the Immigration Act to do so with people entering with visas issued at consulates. Note that it is actually interesting that Kuala Lumpur issued you a tourist visa if you have several previous Thai tourist visas. A couple of years ago, this would have been unlikely. I would also be interested if they also gave a "red stamp" with "This person travels frequently to Thailand on tourist visas ...". EDIT: Looking back at older posts you made in 2015, I note that, at that time, you referred to a "visa exempt entry" as a "visa". If you were, in fact, denied when trying to enter "visa exempt", you should be able to enter by land (but only twice in a calendar year). Better would be to apply for a visa (perhaps, in Kota Bharu). Edited January 26, 2018 by BritTim Ensure you really do mean with a visa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BaldPlumber Posted January 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2018 I doubt whether many tourists own cars here [emoji2] 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Faeton said: (I have with me confirmed and paid ticket from Thailand in next 90 days and a sufficient amount of cash. But them don't care about it ) Did you have the equivalent of 20k baht in cash? Proof you have an income for outside the country to prove you have no need to work here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KiChakayan Posted January 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2018 52 minutes ago, markaoffy said: Having a valid visa issued by a Thai consulate and then being rejected by Thai immigration sums up the madness It isn't madness. It is just an attempt to give back some meaning to the "Tourist visa". An in your case, and others, I can't really blame them, if you own a car here you can hardly be seen as a tourist. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JackThompson Posted January 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, BaldPlumber said: I doubt whether many tourists own cars here Actually - many do. Under-50s not married to a Thai and with independent-income which means no need to work don't have many other stay-options, and the rules do not prohibit repeated stays on Tourist visas. Many using Tourist stays have cars or motos in other nearby SEA countries, also. Even though those countries offer sane options for under-50s for longer stays (money-in bank for the PI, "Buy a Visa" for ~$360/yr in Cambodia, 1-yr ME Tourist-Visa for Vietnam), they seem to find no reason to hassle or block repeat-tourists from spending money into their economies. I wonder why Thailand is the outlier? 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjnaus Posted January 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, JackThompson said: Many using Tourist stays have cars or motos in other nearby SEA countries, also. Even though those countries offer sane options for under-50s for longer stays (money-in bank for the PI, "Buy a Visa" for ~$360/yr in Cambodia, 1-yr ME Tourist-Visa for Vietnam), they seem to find no reason to hassle or block repeat-tourists from spending money into their economies. I wonder why Thailand is the outlier? Then go live in one those other fantastic countries like Cambodia or Myanmar (uhg!). The Thai government has made it very clear that tourist visas are not to be used for long stays, period. Thailand has other visa for such cases, namely the non-O ones. If you don't quality for those, you have one final route: the Elite visa. If that's not for you, you're out of luck. You can hardly blame the government for misuse of tourist visa. If you still insist on doing so, roll the dice and hope for a positive outcome. But don't go crying when it does not pan out. 15 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritTim Posted January 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, mjnaus said: The Thai government has made it very clear that tourist visas are not to be used for long stays, period. Source please. Note that the source should refer to tourist visas and not visa exempt entries. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Suradit69 Posted January 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, JackThompson said: Yes, they don't respect or care about the laws they have sworn to uphold at many airport-checkpoints Since you're not in possession of the facts, only a self-serving & one-sided version of what happened, you're making a leap to judgement. Edited January 26, 2018 by Suradit69 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgeezer Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 This really is a dilemma, the ‘goal posts would appear to have been moved’. This is a hell of a prospect for many people who are contemplating doing what the poster has done. With them in mind can anyone suggest what they should do between being taken from the first IO to a senior officer. A tourist visa has been paid for and you have 20.000 Baht cash in hand, would it be possible to ‘negotiate’ a stay and once back in the country work on finding an ‘agent’? I see things from the premise that everyone knows what is going on but only a few people with the ability to stop it, want to stop it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketrichard Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 having a legal visa does not mean immigration HAS to let you in...This goes for every country. I'd take the train from KL to Bangkok.....have a good nights rest... as long as they did NOT cancel ur visa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoshi Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 You can guarantee he was refused entry under suspicion of working due to numerous, continuous TV's. That's not to say he was, but the onus is on him to prove to an IO he isn't working illegally, if suspected. He should be carrying proof of an income from outside the Country in his situation. UJ hit the nail on the head. Then again, he could be working illegally as many hundreds or thousands of young ''English'' teachers are. Immigration might have made the right, or wrong decision. Flip a coin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 27 minutes ago, phuketrichard said: as long as they did NOT cancel ur visa Not sure immigration at an airport can do that. It is not something that can be done by most immigration officers and it has its own procedures to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 28 minutes ago, phuketrichard said: having a legal visa does not mean immigration HAS to let you in...This goes for every country. I'd take the train from KL to Bangkok.....have a good nights rest... as long as they did NOT cancel ur visa He will still have a denial of entry stamp in the passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketrichard Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, PoorSucker said: He will still have a denial of entry stamp in the passport. that sucks for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell17au Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 All immigration officers at any entry point in any country has the right to refuse entry to that country even if there is a legal visa issued at an embassy or consulate. If there has been a continual supply of tourist visa's to you and that is the reason for the refusal to be able to enter then I would say that you should have applied for a non-immigrant "O" visa instead of trying to rort the system. There are many that do the right thing but there are also many the try to cheat the system and get caught and then they make things harder for those honest people. Stiff cheddar sport. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JackThompson Posted January 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, mjnaus said: The Thai government has made it very clear that tourist visas are not to be used for long stays, period. Each one is only good for 60-days, with a further 30-day extension possible - so they are never used for long stays. If by "long stays" you mean leaving, obtaining a new Visa, and then returning, I am not aware of any law or ministerial order limiting the use of Tourist Visas (not exempt-entries, which are limited). This means that no visitor knows where they stand, when entering the country a 2nd or 3rd + time in a year. As it stands, the only rule is - must have 20K Baht worth of cash to show, and must not be coming to work. Edited January 26, 2018 by JackThompson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackThompson Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Suradit69 said: Since you're not in possession of the facts, only a self-serving & one-sided version of what happened, you're making a leap to judgement. Ok - fair enough - maybe they had evidence of him taking a Thai job without a work-permit - in which case he should have been booted and banned for life (if I had my way). It's the removal of non-criminal self-funded visitors, rejection of which is not permitted by the current laws/regulations, which is the problem. Many past reports indicate this is the case a at airport immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecyclist Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 It really depends on the stamp they put in your passport. Also ,wouldn't he be detained at the airport till a return flight had been arranged? The post leaves out a lot of crucial information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubb Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, BaldPlumber said: I doubt whether many tourists own cars here technically you can, if you bought a vehicle before the rules changed. The other possibility he had a non imi and this was chanced another way is the mine is your and you is mine thing ... his Mia owns the car for you're talking about 'my car' based on the regular usage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonuaq Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, markaoffy said: Having a valid visa issued by a Thai consulate and then being rejected by Thai immigration sums up the madness Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Getting a visa stamp does not say you will be able to enter the country for it is valid for. Common practise around the world. Get a stamp and able to as well able to stay different stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstevens Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I'll be interested to see if this is a one-off case of someone being refused, or if more people with a similar travel / visa history find themselves getting refused at the border and turned around. The cat will really be amongst the pigeons if that happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faeton Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) Thanks everyone to reply, i will attach to this post my visa and what them stamp on the last page of my passport. The visa looks ok. Them not cancel it. last page i dont understand as is all in thai. i can show them more then 20k cash. Can show in thai baht or usd. And i show it Don Mueng airport. Now im in KL. I have next flight no Phnom Phen in 3 hours. Then i can take same day flight to Siem Reap. And get by taxi to PoiPet border. And maybe try to go inn there? Edited January 26, 2018 by ubonjoe removed image with personal info 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketrichard Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 why fly pp-sr??just take a bus to Poi Pet or Pailin and cross overland no idea why u didn't just jump on the train to Hat yai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubb Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 They just enforce the 180 day rules, after 180 in the Kingdom you aren't anymore a tourist, away from you homecountry for a.e. 330 day or 180 day mostly in EU , you're freed for pay personal income tax ... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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