SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

[Jingthing]

Many of you have witnessed "trump's" hateful racist anti-immigration interpretation of 'The Snake' lyrics. He just did it at CPAC again. Watching that, I thought, oh I get it, he's telling us that HE is the snake but supporters don't get it. So I found this article very interesting. It gives background of the origin of 'The Snake,' how the black family doesn't want him to use it anymore because he uses it to inflame racism, how he always fails to give CREDIT to it's author, and to cap it off a theory I had myself about the hidden meaning of "trump's" use of the snake (He's the snake!) mentioned as well. I guess any thinking person would get that layer of meaning but in case you haven't thought of it, enjoy.

 

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‘The Snake’: How Trump appropriated a radical black singer’s lyrics for immigration fearmongering

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“Historians will view it as obvious that Trump was describing himself in ‘The Snake,’ ” Dan Lavoie, an aide to Democratic New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, wrote on Friday. “His over-the-top recitation will be the narrative device for the first big post-Trump documentary. And they’ll think we’re all so dumb for not recognizing it in real-time.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/24/the-snake-how-trump-appropriated-a-radical-black-singers-lyrics-for-refugee-fearmongering/

 

 

"trump's" version at CPAC --

 

 

Edited February 25, 2018 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

I'll post this and I hope it's OK.

As an expat the only U.S. "news" station I get on my cable package is Fox. 

So always looking for other ways to live stream look at others such as CNN and MSNBC. 

Youtube works sometimes but usually not.

 

This link has all three --

 

https://trumpnewslive.com/

[wayned]

I have true and they have CNBC and CNN International.  The CNN International has some of the USA broadcasts but not all and I link, for free, to CNN live streaming of the USA broadcast, the video is crap, but the audio is acceptable.  Here's the link: http://www.livenewson.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html  

 

They also have free links to other news services such as Fox but I haven't tried them.

 

The link that you provided is not free and I'm done subscribing to non-refundable streaming from the USA.

[Jingthing]

43 minutes ago, wayned said:

I have true and they have CNBC and CNN International.  The CNN International has some of the USA broadcasts but not all and I link, for free, to CNN live streaming of the USA broadcast, the video is crap, but the audio is acceptable.  Here's the link: http://www.livenewson.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html  

 

They also have free links to other news services such as Fox but I haven't tried them.

 

The link that you provided is not free and I'm done subscribing to non-refundable streaming from the USA.

Not free? I hadn't noticed that so far. 

[Jack100]

He's just been groping his way around for the first year - I'm sure he will get  to grips with the job  in 2018...

[Jingthing]

He's just been groping his way around for the first year - I'm sure he will get  to grips with the job  in 2018...

Hilarious.
He doesn't change.
He just gets more so of what he already is.

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[Jingthing]

Omarosa is on the war path.

 

Wow.

 

"Omarosa Considers Writing a Book That Will Have Trump ‘Come After Me With Everything He Has’

 

 

...

She continued, “All the stuff that I just put on a shelf somewhere out of loyalty — I’ve been defending somebody for so long, and I’m now I’m like, ‘Yo, you are a special kind of f–ed up, and that special breed, they’re about to learn all about it.”"

 

https://m.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Omarosa-Considers-Writing-a-Book-That-Will-Have-12706501.php

 

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[heybruce]

3 hours ago, Jack100 said:

He's just been groping his way around for the first year - I'm sure he will get  to grips with the job  in 2018...

Yeah, he's know for his groping--porn stars, Playboy centerfolds, and many others.

[Silurian]

Winning! So much so that it hurts.

 

CNN Poll: Trump approval slides, matches lowest point of presidency

https://us.cnn.com/2018/02/25/politics/cnn-poll-trump-approval-matches-low/index.html

 

 

[lannarebirth]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Omarosa is on the war path.

 

Wow.

 

"Omarosa Considers Writing a Book That Will Have Trump ‘Come After Me With Everything He Has’

 

 

...

She continued, “All the stuff that I just put on a shelf somewhere out of loyalty — I’ve been defending somebody for so long, and I’m now I’m like, ‘Yo, you are a special kind of f–ed up, and that special breed, they’re about to learn all about it.”"

 

https://m.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Omarosa-Considers-Writing-a-Book-That-Will-Have-12706501.php

 

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This lady's 15 minutes of fame/infamy is about up. But there's always a buyer willing to monetize that and an audience willing to lap it up. She'd best get her contracts signed PDQ before it is some other bottom feeder's turn at the media trough.

[yogi100]

18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Many of you have witnessed "trump's" hateful racist anti-immigration interpretation of 'The Snake' lyrics. He just did it at CPAC again. Watching that, I thought, oh I get it, he's telling us that HE is the snake but supporters don't get it. So I found this article very interesting. It gives background of the origin of 'The Snake,' how the black family doesn't want him to use it anymore because he uses it to inflame racism, how he always fails to give CREDIT to it's author, and to cap it off a theory I had myself about the hidden meaning of "trump's" use of the snake (He's the snake!) mentioned as well. I guess any thinking person would get that layer of meaning but in case you haven't thought of it, enjoy.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/24/the-snake-how-trump-appropriated-a-radical-black-singers-lyrics-for-refugee-fearmongering/

 

 

"trump's" version at CPAC --

 

 

 

We've got the same problem with many immigrants in the UK. If you can access a BBC program called 'Crimewatch' watch it. Even the liberals at the BBC can't hide the truth when it comes the havoc some of our new arrivals are causing.

[F4UCorsair]

Omarosa is on the war path.
 
Wow.
 
"Omarosa Considers Writing a Book That Will Have Trump ‘Come After Me With Everything He Has’
 
 
...
She continued, “All the stuff that I just put on a shelf somewhere out of loyalty — I’ve been defending somebody for so long, and I’m now I’m like, ‘Yo, you are a special kind of f–ed up, and that special breed, they’re about to learn all about it.”"
 
https://m.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Omarosa-Considers-Writing-a-Book-That-Will-Have-12706501.php
 
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Attaching ANY credibility to an 'adult' who speaks in the jargon of a prepubescent schoolgirl is grasping at straws.

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[wayned]

16 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

We've got the same problem with many immigrants in the UK. If you can access a BBC program called 'Crimewatch' watch it. Even the liberals at the BBC can't hide the truth when it comes the havoc some of our new arrivals are causing.

IMHO, Trump is the "snake" and America is the old woman that took him in from the cold and he continues to bite and poison everything that he touches.

 

Maybe we should build a system of re-education camps and require all to attend.  We have become a society that doesn't listen to one another's opinions and discuss how to come to a compromise that suits  both sides.  If you listen to Fox news, you never listen to CNN, if you are a democrat you never listen to the republican side, even the Broward County Sher riff and the Coral Gables Police Chief are fighting over the first response of the officers at the recent shooting, on and on!  Trump thrives on chaos and the nation has certainly fallen into the trap.

 

My uncle was a Senator from 1947 to 1970 and while I was attending the U of Maryland I would occasionally mooch a dinner from him, a break from the tuna fish sandwiches and white castle hamburgers.  Most of the time it was a nice restaurant and many time the other guests were from the other party.  They discussed issues on a bipartisan basis in an attempt to come to mutual agreements.  They remained friends even though they had different views.  Today, the "aisle" in congress is like the DMZ!

[meechai]

Have to be honest

Here in the USA

We cannot say this president is any different than the last

in what we see,feel,experience in our daily lives.

The only noticeable difference is the tantrums thrown by those who

must have voted for the other side.

 

While that is common after any election, we have never seen tantrums like this past year though.

People really setting a bad example. Much worse than anything they are whining about

[Silurian]

Just how low is this slimeball reality TV persona willing to go for donations? Here is how low...

 

Trump campaign emails photo of Parkland survivor, asks for donations

https://us.cnn.com/2018/02/25/politics/trump-campaign-email-parkland-photo/index.html

 

This craven individual and his staff has no morals or ethics...period.

 

Edited February 26, 2018 by Silurian

[Thakkar]

On 2/19/2018 at 4:25 AM, lannarebirth said:

Trump's sole prison sentence commutation was to a slaughterhouse operator employing 389 illegals. Some financial fraud too but it was the employeeing of illegals that got the authority's foot in the door.  Strangely, there was wide support for this commutation by Democrats and Republicans alike. Probably because the perp was Jewish with lots of political affiliations. Anyhow, it doesn't look like anyone wants to go after employers. They are the political donation class after all.

 

Agreed that neither Republicans or Democrats have the boldness to go after the culprits that matter —the employers, but it’s only the Republicans that are blaming America’s problems on immigrants (illegal or otherwise) and creating scapegoats of the weakest in society.

[EVENKEEL]

26 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

 

Agreed that neither Republicans or Democrats have the boldness to go after the culprits that matter —the employers, but it’s only the Republicans that are blaming America’s problems on immigrants (illegal or otherwise) and creating scapegoats of the weakest in society.

Not perfect but then what is.

[Thakkar]

On 2/21/2018 at 11:31 AM, lannarebirth said:

 

There's always a lot of recency bias in those surveys. Not arguing that Trump doesn't deserve his dead last ranking, but with the perspective of a few more decades passing you won't be seeing Clinton and especially not Obama in the top 20.

 

Recency bias is a real thing, and you’re probably right about Clinton (possibly as a result of more documents getting unclassified), but I think Obama will likely remain in the top 20, if not top 10. He was the first black president; his administration was relatively free of scandals; more so than many presidents, he was well respected among his peers of democratic world leaders. Even when he had a majority, he made good faith efforts towards bipartisanship, Alienating many on the left of his own party. The failure of that bipartisanship effort due to utter Republican intransigence made clear to left-leaning moderates that future efforts must go towards *genuine* progressive agenda like universal healthcare and effective, uncompromising gun control. In that sense, his presidency may prove consequential. Trump’s presidency because it has galvanized the left, may prove consequential too.

[Thakkar]

On 2/22/2018 at 2:52 AM, yogi100 said:

At least he's banning these 'bump stock' machine guns which is a step in the right direction and something no other president has had the balls to do.

 

If he brings in a law to ban a magazine from being able to hold more than six rounds you'll really be making headway.

 

But then only criminals will get bump stocks!

[Andaman Al]

6 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

 

But then only criminals will get bump stocks!

And that is a great start, because then the Bump Stock can be tracked and traced and avoid the criminals hiding amongst 5 million "law abiding" gun owners. We might have a chance of tracking down and identifying the criminals then.

[Thakkar]

On 2/25/2018 at 5:55 PM, Jack100 said:

He's just been groping his way around for the first year - I'm sure he will get  to grips with the job  in 2018...

 

Trump’s been “groping” long before he was president. Pretty sure he has the hang of it by now, no?

[Thakkar]

10 hours ago, meechai said:

Have to be honest

Here in the USA

We cannot say this president is any different than the last

in what we see,feel,experience in our daily lives.

The only noticeable difference is the tantrums thrown by those who

must have voted for the other side.

 

While that is common after any election, we have never seen tantrums like this past year though.

People really setting a bad example. Much worse than anything they are whining about

 

You mean tantrums like these?

 

 

[lannarebirth]

11 hours ago, Thakkar said:

 

Recency bias is a real thing, and you’re probably right about Clinton (possibly as a result of more documents getting unclassified), but I think Obama will likely remain in the top 20, if not top 10. He was the first black president; his administration was relatively free of scandals; more so than many presidents, he was well respected among his peers of democratic world leaders. Even when he had a majority, he made good faith efforts towards bipartisanship, Alienating many on the left of his own party. The failure of that bipartisanship effort due to utter Republican intransigence made clear to left-leaning moderates that future efforts must go towards *genuine* progressive agenda like universal healthcare and effective, uncompromising gun control. In that sense, his presidency may prove consequential. Trump’s presidency because it has galvanized the left, may prove consequential too.

 

Well, I'm not sure about Clinton. IMO he possessed the most political skill of any president in my lifetime. I think due to circumstances of his birth and childhood he had issues with feeling poor and due to his political skill and intelligence it was just too easy for him to take shortcuts, whether it be with women or taking anybody's money on offer. He was always the smartest person in the room and he wasn't always able to impose constraints on himself which is an obligation of such people when necessary. It was just too easy.

 

Obama I see as the least accomplished president in my lifetime. Protector of banksters, glib orator, no fight in his belly, titanic ego because he was given a pass on so many things.

 

I think he was the black guy you could hang out with, which isn't about Obama, it is about the person making that judgement. Like one of those Docker commercials full of man love. Catch a Knicks game with him and share a nice micro brew but there's no there there. History may or may not record all that.

Edited February 26, 2018 by lannarebirth

[Thakkar]

5 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Well, I'm not sure about Clinton. IMO he possessed the most political skill of any president in my lifetime. I think due to circumstances of his birth and childhood he had issues with feeling poor and due to his political skill and intelligence it was just too easy for him to take shortcuts, whether it be with women or taking anybody's money on offer. He was always the smartest person in the room and he wasn't always able to impose constraints on himself which is an obligation of such people when necessary. It was just too easy.

 

Obama I see as the least accomplished president in my lifetime. Protector of banksters, glib orator, no fight in his belly, titanic ego because he was given a pass on so many things.

 

I think he was the black guy you could hang out with, which isn't about Obama, it is about the person making that judgement. Like one of those Docker commercials full of man love. Catch a Knicks game with him and share a nice micro brew but there's no there there. History may or may not record all that.

I don’t doubt Clinton’s intellect, (matched with an equally big ego) and the finest political skills of any president. It’s the fact that he was indeed prone to taking short cuts and that history may some day reveal a short cut too far that could do in his legacy.

 

I do doubt your assessment of Obama’s intellect.

[lannarebirth]

13 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

I don’t doubt Clinton’s intellect, (matched with an equally big ego) and the finest political skills of any president. It’s the fact that he was indeed prone to taking short cuts and that history may some day reveal a short cut too far that could do in his legacy.

 

I do doubt your assessment of Obama’s intellect.

I didn't say Obama wasn't smart. In fact I think he is quite smart. More the pity.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Well, I'm not sure about Clinton. IMO he possessed the most political skill of any president in my lifetime. I think due to circumstances of his birth and childhood he had issues with feeling poor and due to his political skill and intelligence it was just too easy for him to take shortcuts, whether it be with women or taking anybody's money on offer. He was always the smartest person in the room and he wasn't always able to impose constraints on himself which is an obligation of such people when necessary. It was just too easy.

 

Obama I see as the least accomplished president in my lifetime. Protector of banksters, glib orator, no fight in his belly, titanic ego because he was given a pass on so many things.

 

I think he was the black guy you could hang out with, which isn't about Obama, it is about the person making that judgement. Like one of those Docker commercials full of man love. Catch a Knicks game with him and share a nice micro brew but there's no there there. History may or may not record all that.

Obama as the least accomplished president?  He did inherit an economy in freefall and a Bush budget driving a $1.3 trillion deficit (that was a big deal then, it looks like it will be routine under Trump) and he did "oversee" the economy stabilizing and the deficit reduced to a fraction.  How much of this was directly due to actions taken, and how much was due to the confidence from seeing a president willing to take action is open to debate

 

Oh, and he did provide health insurance to tens of millions of Americans. Obviously a lot of people didn't like how he did it, but it was an accomplishment.

 

Granted his accomplishments were small compared to Bush--two unfinished wars, turning record budget surpluses into a record deficit, and overseeing an economic bubble that nearly took the nation into a second great depression when it burst.  After a presidency such as this, a do-nothing president would have been an improvement.  No doubt we will feel the same way after Trump, if we make it that far.

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Obama as the least accomplished president?  He did inherit an economy in freefall and a Bush budget driving a $1.3 trillion deficit (that was a big deal then, it looks like it will be routine under Trump) and he did "oversee" the economy stabilizing and the deficit reduced to a fraction.  How much of this was directly due to actions taken, and how much was due to the confidence from seeing a president willing to take action is open to debate

 

Oh, and he did provide health insurance to tens of millions of Americans. Obviously a lot of people didn't like how he did it, but it was an accomplishment.

 

Granted his accomplishments were small compared to Bush--two unfinished wars, turning record budget surpluses into a record deficit, and overseeing an economic bubble that nearly took the nation into a second great depression when it burst.  After a presidency such as this, a do-nothing president would have been an improvement.  No doubt we will feel the same way after Trump, if we make it that far.

 

I'm not comparing him to Bush or Trump. If I did they'd rate lower still, but that's pretty faint praise for Obama.

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I'm not comparing him to Bush or Trump. If I did they'd rate lower still, but that's pretty faint praise for Obama.

Granted, Bush is a low card in the deck, and Trump is the joker, a card that is normally discarded.  However this is a topic about Trump.  Since you brought Obama into the discussion, a comparison to Trump is appropriate.

[lannarebirth]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Granted, Bush is a low card in the deck, and Trump is the joker, a card that is normally discarded.  However this is a topic about Trump.  Since you brought Obama into the discussion, a comparison to Trump is appropriate.

Fair enough.

[riclag]

Consumer Confidence at a 17 year high....

"U.S. consumer confidence jumped to a 17-year high as optimism about employment prospects grew and Americans began seeing additional money in their paychecks from recently enacted tax cuts, data from the New York-based Conference Board showed Tuesday".

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-27/u-s-consumer-confidence-at-17-year-high-as-tax-cuts-take-hold