UK threatens to cut off aid cash to charities after Oxfam sex report

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Yeah, you'd only have 90% of the male population of the UK to select from.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/11235794/One-in-10-British-men-have-paid-for-sex.html

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/why-are-so-many-young-men-paying-for-sex/

 

You may have a hard time weeding them out in advance, but you could certainly operate an NGO without whore mongers.  

 

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I lived in the UK. The P4P there is dire. You'd have to be really desperate to use some skank druggy street walker. Not surprising that few do, though there is no way they can prove those stats.

Anyway, apparently it's so easy to get some slapper for a bit of the hoky poky behind the dumpster outside the pub that they only need to buy enough booze to get her drunk.

If there was a similar situation as LOS, it'd probably be 90% have paid for it. 

[simon43]

What is the CEOs salary? pray tell.

Colin, according to Mr Google, Oxfam paid its CEO about 125,000 GBP ($176,000 USD) in 2017.

[scorecard]

7 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

We gave up giving to major charities years ago ,when we realized that most of the money just goes to the fat cats running them ,now we give only to local groups that help local people with all the people involved not paid

 

Agree, 10 yrs back a well large known global childrens charity asked my consulting company for some organization advice.

 

When it came to  agreeing a date to signing the contract to agree the scope of work etc., the charity indicated they would have to get advice from California as to the date their senior person could fly business class LA to Bkk and return for the signing photo op. Plus 2 or 3 nights in a 5 star hotel.

 

I asked if there was anybody in Asia who could sign the contract. Answer: 'yes many staff', but Ms. ..... from LA likes to travel'.

 

Secondary point, their most senior person in Asia (a Thai lady) was extremely rude numerous times to the staff at the hotel, for no reason at all.  

[colinneil]

6 minutes ago, simon43 said:

 

 

Colin, according to Mr Google, Oxfam paid its CEO about 125,000 GBP ($176,000 USD) in 2017.

 

Thanks for that, also lets not forget all his perkson top of the inflated salary.

[CharlesSwann]

This is part of a much bigger picture. It's part of the general emasculation of society orchestrated and promoted by feminists (usually short-haired women often found in government or the media, such as the BBC's head of news) and correlates precisely with the social enfranchisement of this group in recent years.

 

Feminism is driven by two types of women:

i) attractive/intelligent/famous women who have all the male attention they need,

ii) lesbians who have no need for male attention at all.

 

Their agenda is being forced down the throats of society including all ordinary women. Their banshee shrieking under the banner of political correctness has so cowed conventional society that the movement has hardened into a veritable terreur against which no one now dare make a stand.

 

There was an early 20th century parallel when the temperance women got alcohol banned in the US. That soon got swept aside, but now they are trying to ban pretty much everything to do with sex, and the campaign is getting more virulent. This is the first time I have heard using prostitues described as 'sexual abuse'.

[dunroaming]

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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I lived in the UK. The P4P there is dire. You'd have to be really desperate to use some skank druggy street walker. Not surprising that few do, though there is no way they can prove those stats.

Anyway, apparently it's so easy to get some slapper for a bit of the hoky poky behind the dumpster outside the pub that they only need to buy enough booze to get her drunk.

If there was a similar situation as LOS, it'd probably be 90% have paid for it. 

Obviously you didn't find the hundreds of Thai hookers that work in the UK, or the attractive Eastern Europeans  or the hundreds of university students who do part time escort work?  Don't worry I didn't either, but then again I wasn't looking for P4P anyway.

 

As for the percentage of British men paying for P4P I would be interested to know how that figure was arrived at.  Doubt many men would admit to it in the first place. Secondly what age group were targeted.  Under fifty I would think the figure would be much lower than over fifty.  We all know polls are always subjective.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Obviously you didn't find the hundreds of Thai hookers that work in the UK, or the attractive Eastern Europeans  or the hundreds of university students who do part time escort work?  Don't worry I didn't either, but then again I wasn't looking for P4P anyway.

 

As for the percentage of British men paying for P4P I would be interested to know how that figure was arrived at.  Doubt many men would admit to it in the first place. Secondly what age group were targeted.  Under fifty I would think the figure would be much lower than over fifty.  We all know polls are always subjective.

students who do part time escort work? 

LOL. I did a real job which meant I'd never have been able to pay for them.

I'm sure the bankers would have been having a great time though.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, CharlesSwann said:

This is part of a much bigger picture. It's part of the general emasculation of society orchestrated and promoted by feminists (usually short-haired women often found in government or the media, such as the BBC's head of news) and correlates precisely with the social enfranchisement of this group in recent years.

 

Feminism is driven by two types of women:

i) attractive/intelligent/famous women who have all the male attention they need,

ii) lesbians who have no need for male attention at all.

 

Their agenda is being forced down the throats of society including all ordinary women. Their banshee shrieking under the banner of political correctness has so cowed conventional society that the movement has hardened into a veritable terreur against which no one now dare make a stand.

 

There was an early 20th century parallel when the temperance women got alcohol banned in the US. That soon got swept aside, but now they are trying to ban pretty much everything to do with sex, and the campaign is getting more virulent. This is the first time I have heard using prostitues described as 'sexual abuse'.

usually short-haired women often found in government

They are really easy to pick, given their man cuts.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Yes the gutter press like the Guardian and the Times!

 

Anyone travelling in S.E.A will have seen the charity's four wheel drive Toyotas parked outside bars and restaurants and the drunken Aid Workers legless and incapable. Especially Cambodia in my experience.  I have a very biased view of Aid Charity's across the board having seen so many p*ssing away the donators money and ill conceived ideas of what is best for the people they are supposed to be helping.  As for this case of so called sexual exploitation.... Well by the nature of the way charities work, in poor countries and areas of disaster then exploitation of all kinds in going to happen.  However there are many strands to this.  One reason why this hits a nerve is because Oxfam receive an enormous amount of government funding (tax payers money) along with money raised by their shops that are staffed by volunteers.  If that money, that pays for both the hotels and  living expenses of the on the ground workers, then gets  used on hooker parties it is going to upset many.  On the other hand Oxfam are one of many Aid Organisations that  misuse their funds and abuse their positions.  It goes with the territory.  When in Chiang Mai I helped out with a few local charities and everyone involved were absolutely brilliant.  I also knew people working for two larger charities who were very sincere although fairly naïve.

 

It is a fact that many of these organisations do exploit.  They exploit the good sincere people who work their socks off for them.  They exploit the donors by misusing the money given in donations.  And inevitably some will exploit the situation that the people they are there to help are in.

 

 

Imo you're being unfair to Oxfam.

[Morch]

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[farcanell]

3 hours ago, colinneil said:

Thanks for that, also lets not forget all his perkson top of the inflated salary.

That’s not really an inflated salary for a CEO, who must be doing a pretty good job if 82% of income goes direct to charitable works

[nausea]

Just another gravy train. Don't I know it, used to work in the refugee industry. You know, you try to do good, and then you end up embroiled in this BS.

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[dunroaming]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Imo you're being unfair to Oxfam.

Maybe.  I worked for Oxfam briefly in the late seventies.  It was as a consultant when they were looking at making their shops more professional and it was only for three months. The people in the shops worked very hard and conscientiously.  Oxfam have always been dogged by controversy and bad press.  You may remember when they were made to justify why over 50% of the donations and funding was eaten up by "administration".  

 

Their work on water supply in Africa has been really impressive and they do some very important work in development.  All those people involved should be praised and I do respect that.  There will always be some people who abuse their position in every company when dealing with the vulnerable.  Oxfam is one but there are many more as well. 

 

I was around Khao Lak  after the tsunami hit Thailand and saw a lot of Aid Agency people there.  In fact I saw quite a few of them enjoying the bars in Soi Bangla in the evenings, as I was doing myself.  I had no problem with that at all.  The girls made good money and these guys weren't exploiting anyone as far as I could see.  In fact I thought it was quite amusing as some were there working for the deeply religious agencies like World Vision.  Not sure that their sponsors would have approved 

[Sir Dude]

Cut the international aid budget in half (or more) and save the NHS, the police/emergency service and the armed services in one fell swoop....easy.

[7by7]

10 hours ago, MaeJoMTB said:

I didn't know paying for sex in a foreign country was considered a 'criminal activity' in the UK.

Have I missed a new law?

 

7 hours ago, CharlesSwann said:

So many news headlines nowadays are no more than concocted outrage at humans displaying human nature.

 

Visiting a prostitute - consenting adults engaged in an economic transaction in their own time - is now not only 'criminal activity' but 'sexual abuse'? World's gone mad.

 

Something you both, and those who have posted similar views, have missed is that reportedly many of the prostitutes involved were underage! 

 

Oxfam workers could face UK prosecution over sex crimes

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Andrew MacLeod, the former chief of operations of the UN’s Emergency Coordination Centre has claimed that “predatory paedophiles” were now targeting charities in order to “access children” in the developing world.

 

[dunroaming]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

Something you both, and those who have posted similar views, have missed is that reportedly many of the prostitutes involved were underage! 

 

Oxfam workers could face UK prosecution over sex crimes

 

I think that is subject to speculation though.  As the event is in the past it would be hard to prove either way.   Surely the relevant question about the prostitutes is "were they being coerced into their actions because of their situation in Haiti at the time or was it just business as usual for them?"

[stevenl]

33 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Maybe.  I worked for Oxfam briefly in the late seventies.  It was as a consultant when they were looking at making their shops more professional and it was only for three months. The people in the shops worked very hard and conscientiously.  Oxfam have always been dogged by controversy and bad press.  You may remember when they were made to justify why over 50% of the donations and funding was eaten up by "administration".  

 

Their work on water supply in Africa has been really impressive and they do some very important work in development.  All those people involved should be praised and I do respect that.  There will always be some people who abuse their position in every company when dealing with the vulnerable.  Oxfam is one but there are many more as well. 

 

I was around Khao Lak  after the tsunami hit Thailand and saw a lot of Aid Agency people there.  In fact I saw quite a few of them enjoying the bars in Soi Bangla in the evenings, as I was doing myself.  I had no problem with that at all.  The girls made good money and these guys weren't exploiting anyone as far as I could see.  In fact I thought it was quite amusing as some were there working for the deeply religious agencies like World Vision.  Not sure that their sponsors would have approved 

Seems the Oxfam efficiency has improved tremendously.

 

I was on Phuket during and after the tsunami, so closer to Bangla than you were, but didn't visit it, I really didn't have the time.

I saw no aid agencies at all btw.

[dunroaming]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Seems the Oxfam efficiency has improved tremendously.

 

I was on Phuket during and after the tsunami, so closer to Bangla than you were, but didn't visit it, I really didn't have the time.

I saw no aid agencies at all btw.

The Aid Agencies I saw were in Khao Lak including World Vision. There were lot's there at the time. I was down there from where I lived in Chiang Mai so I was staying at a hotel in Phuket.  I was with a business associate hence our visit to Soi Bangla.  

 

I agree that the Oxfam efficiency has improved a lot but they had to clean up their act.

[dogpatch55]

4 hours ago, colinneil said:

Thanks for that, also lets not forget all his perkson top of the inflated salary.

Yeah its way too much.  I had read somewhere it was over £127,000.  Seems the red cross pay even more! £173,000

[Tom Cahill]

14 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

I like oxfam and the work they do. There are many good people working for them. 

 

I think the current tory govt is a bunch of inept, lastminute.com idiots. 

 

Yet here I am, finding myself in 100% agreement with the tories and applauding their stance here. 

 

If the allegations about events in Chad, made elsewhere, are also true, doubly so. 

 

Strange days indeed. 

I know quite a few people who've worked in those specific places for charities and NGOs and in all cases,  a lot of the employees get involved in charity so that they can have sex with child prostitutes.

Trust me,  this is what the CIA calls "limited hang out",  i.e. it's coming out so let's control the volcano so that the full extent isn't discovered.

No one with much about them really cares if they have sex with prostitutes given the other things that are going on around them and in the rest of the world,  but if they're little kids then everyone cares.

Charities are the biggest scam on Earth,  but the people who're out on the ground are often well-meaning wallies.  Also,  let's not forget there's a story behind this story as the charity and NGO sector's where they recruit and place spies,  so you've got a lot of people who depend on being as dodgy as <deleted> to get the job in the first place.

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Tom Cahill said:

I know quite a few people who've worked in those specific places for charities and NGOs and in all cases,  a lot of the employees get involved in charity so that they can have sex with child prostitutes.

Trust me,  this is what the CIA calls "limited hang out",  i.e. it's coming out so let's control the volcano so that the full extent isn't discovered.

No one with much about them really cares if they have sex with prostitutes given the other things that are going on around them and in the rest of the world,  but if they're little kids then everyone cares.

Charities are the biggest scam on Earth,  but the people who're out on the ground are often well-meaning wallies.  Also,  let's not forget there's a story behind this story as the charity and NGO sector's where they recruit and place spies,  so you've got a lot of people who depend on being as dodgy as <deleted> to get the job in the first place.

I worked as a volunteer for two years with vso. 

 

My reasons for doing so were nothing to do with sexually abusing children or adults. 

 

Neither am I or ever was a “wally” or a spy. 

[Tom Cahill]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

I worked as a volunteer for two years with vso. 

 

My reasons for doing so were nothing to do with sexually abusing children or adults. 

 

Neither am I or ever was a “wally” or a spy. 

I'm generalising,  and as far as the sex predators,  I was certainly not saying it was a large proportion,  but it was always there.  Good for you,  doing it for free.  Charity should be for free after all.  In our new sick world,  it's generally a well-paying profession now for most,  which doesn't seem to have sunk in to the public.
In the UK you can spend as little as 2% of the  "charity".'s income on the actual charity,  so you can just say it's all admin and give all your mates jobs,  and they don't get audited remotely properly so this can go on for years and there's no penalty as this is legal.

[Jonmarleesco]

Perhaps, as the so-called aid minister, she should be asking why British taxpayers' funds get wasted on the most facetious 'aid' projects imaginable.

[johnarth]

10 hours ago, colinneil said:

What is the CEOs salary? pray tell.

the world is so <deleted> greed has won

 

[Ulic]

All these charities are a waste of time. Funny enough as far as I am concerned the

people "abusing" prostitutes are the ones putting money into the local economy

successfully in the countries that need assistance. 

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, Tom Cahill said:

I know quite a few people who've worked in those specific places for charities and NGOs and in all cases,  a lot of the employees get involved in charity so that they can have sex with child prostitutes.

Trust me,  this is what the CIA calls "limited hang out",  i.e. it's coming out so let's control the volcano so that the full extent isn't discovered.

No one with much about them really cares if they have sex with prostitutes given the other things that are going on around them and in the rest of the world,  but if they're little kids then everyone cares.

Charities are the biggest scam on Earth,  but the people who're out on the ground are often well-meaning wallies.  Also,  let's not forget there's a story behind this story as the charity and NGO sector's where they recruit and place spies,  so you've got a lot of people who depend on being as dodgy as <deleted> to get the job in the first place.

Sure mate, CIA is behind the charities.

[Khun Han]

9 hours ago, dunroaming said:

I think that is subject to speculation though.  As the event is in the past it would be hard to prove either way.   Surely the relevant question about the prostitutes is "were they being coerced into their actions because of their situation in Haiti at the time or was it just business as usual for them?"

 

Wow!!! Just wow!!! Underage prostitutes allegedly involved, and the important question for you is:

 

"were they being coerced into their actions because of their situation in Haiti at the time or was it just business as usual for them?"

 

I really, honestly, genuinely don't know what to make of you anymore Dunroaming.

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Wow!!! Just wow!!! Underage prostitutes allegedly involved, and the important question for you is:

 

"were they being coerced into their actions because of their situation in Haiti at the time or was it just business as usual for them?"

 

I really, honestly, genuinely don't know what to make of you anymore Dunroaming.

Please don't imply he was referring to the prostitutes being underaged. Dishonest posting from your side.

[Morch]

10 hours ago, Tom Cahill said:

I'm generalising,  and as far as the sex predators,  I was certainly not saying it was a large proportion,  but it was always there.  Good for you,  doing it for free.  Charity should be for free after all.  In our new sick world,  it's generally a well-paying profession now for most,  which doesn't seem to have sunk in to the public.
In the UK you can spend as little as 2% of the  "charity".'s income on the actual charity,  so you can just say it's all admin and give all your mates jobs,  and they don't get audited remotely properly so this can go on for years and there's no penalty as this is legal.

 

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I'm generalising,  and as far as the sex predators,  I was certainly not saying it was a large proportion,  but it was always there. 

 

But just previously...

 

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I know quite a few people who've worked in those specific places for charities and NGOs and in all cases,  a lot of the employees get involved in charity so that they can have sex with child prostitutes.

 

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Trust me

I think not.

 

[CharlesSwann]

23 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

...allegations concerning the sexual exploitation of those they were supposed to be helping ...

 

It's truer to say that prostitutes exploit their customers. They are certainly exploiting human nature. That's their business, and every business wants customers.