American claims self-defense as patron says man murdered in Pattaya was "trouble-maker"

[Acemaker]

2 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Not a typical American name.

Why not ? all Yanks were originally immigrants, mostly from Europe, most American Surnames in the U.S. have either British or European names, mainland European names which included Spain and Italy of course, the surname Polanco is actually Spanish which encompasses Mexico and virtually the whole of South America, his Ancestors could have emigrated years ago and he was born in the U.S. 

[Baerboxer]

17 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

The person that pays more to the cops tells the truth in LOS. 

 

Throughout Asia Jenny. My Chinese friends always say the same - if you know the judge, or can pay the police, you will be the one telling the truth!

 

[cornishcarlos]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

If he hit him several times, then maybe, possibly, that might have been reasonable depending how drunk and violent the Australian was. But stomping on his head and face, 10-15 times is not only way over the top it's more than likely to kill or have life changing effects. The media reports call the facial and head injuries "catastrophic" which suggests that the initial story was accurate.

 

It's all just media reports so far, nothing has been confirmed.... The majority seem to believe the stomping story, not sure why ?

There has been no credible witness statements, no CCTV evidence, just 2 conflicting stories. 

It will be interesting to see how the investigation pans out.

[soalbundy]

Oh well, if he was a trouble maker that's different, deserves to have his head kicked in, the lord be praised that the American was around to hand out justice. 

[moe666]

2 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Not a typical American name.

Please tell us what a typical american name is. 

[Acemaker]

50 minutes ago, lanng khao said:

He might be a frequent traveller,  many stick to the same bars, and what if he had choked that girl to death, and then the american had stepped in,  would everyody say he deserved what he got?.

Deary me! , pathetic reasoning.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

It's all just media reports so far, nothing has been confirmed.... The majority seem to believe the stomping story, not sure why ?

There has been no credible witness statements, no CCTV evidence, just 2 conflicting stories. 

It will be interesting to see how the investigation pans out.

 

Unless someone was there, or knows someone that was there, then the media reports are all that anyone has to inform them.

 

The key will be the pathologist's findings. Hitting someone several times does not cause the severe injuries claimed by some media reports. Stomping on someone's face 10-15 times is likely to cause  massive injury and be pretty obvious to a pathologist. 

 

Interesting to see if the police pursue the accused's friends and importantly check the photos (and any videos?) on their mobile phones. 

 

But as we know from previous examples, things don't always process logically!

[Kerryd]

11 minutes ago, newatthis said:

According to the the Australian news, he only left Oz on Friday morning so the phrase "Robb often acted in an aggressive manner and was known by some to be a trouble maker." seems to be a bit of an  exaggeration. These words would suggest a long period of time and not the few hours he was in Thailand.

 

Yeah because there is no way he could be a frequent visitor (or long term resident) who just came back from a quick trip home.

 

(Yeah, that was sarcasm in case it was too complex for you to comprehend.)

[newatthis]

8 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

So the Australian guy was a pr*ck and maybe had it coming. I will take the side of good riddance. 

That's a bit hard, isn't it? I'm sure people who know him would say he's a good fella just as friends of the American will probably say he was a knight in shining armour coming to the rescue of a damsel in distress.

[anon789561]

11 minutes ago, newatthis said:

According to the the Australian news, he only left Oz on Friday morning so the phrase "Robb often acted in an aggressive manner and was known by some to be a trouble maker." seems to be a bit of an  exaggeration. These words would suggest a long period of time and not the few hours he was in Thailand.

yeah but many people are back and forth regularly so he may well have still be known in the area, if that was the case anyway

[cornishcarlos]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Unless someone was there, or knows someone that was there, then the media reports are all that anyone has to inform them.

 

Exactly, and the media is reporting 2 different versions so far.

I just find it strange that the majority seem to take the 1st report as gospel.

News reports here often get badly translated, witnesses often think they see something that never happened.

Agree, only a full autopsy will reveal something close to the truth.

[csabo]

Walk-A-Way. Period. 

[johnhw]

14 hours ago, saakura said:

...to the farang ego.

...the spin I like

[stephenterry]

I'm pretty sure, if the American used extreme force, that he is likely to buy his way out of the court same as Thai perps with money. Or at least receive a limited sentence and fine by the judge. Or maybe a stand-in Burmese guy will take the rap... 

[thaikahuna]

13 hours ago, Nasrullah said:

Witnesses could be of great value......but this is thailand!

The pathologist knows where his check is written too.

[Antiparovian]

6 hours ago, smedly said:

American claims self-defense as patron says man murdered in Pattaya was "trouble-maker"

 

so I stomped on his head 20 times when he was unconscious on the floor just to make sure ......................... he was dead 

 

sorry <deleted> but you did what you did and now someone is dead by your actions, in the UK your mates would also be facing serious charges 

 

I advise Thai Police to get a full criminal profile on this psycho, my guess is the USA don't want him back 

 

and people living in pattaya would also not be too happy about this thug on the loose and that includes his scumbag mates who if not being charged should be escorted to the airport and banned from Thailand for life

 

Thai police need to be seen to do the right thing here...................the local community and international media are following this very carefully

 

 

Well said

[Media1]

He said She said lol. Who cares..If he was a such a problem why was he permitted in there.

This US dog has a history of severe violence and is trying to wriggle out lol..Sell defence lol <deleted>. You are a weak dog..A coward. Only a coward does this to another..I hope you get smashed inside.

[JRUSA]

2 hours ago, rodney earl said:

Maybe he was, he could have changed bars, but he decided to stay there and beat him to death, stomp on his head 10 to 15 times and his friends then took photos of him lying on the ground in the last throws of life. Yea right. I think that I know who the trouble maker was in this instance.!!!

And how do you know this..we're you there..or have you read any updates..

[Media1]

1 minute ago, Antiparovian said:

Well said

yes his a career criminal. I know believe me

[Disco738]

Aha....if you look for trouble...trouble gonna find you. 

[catman20]

3 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

It's also un-verified hearsay... Best wait for the investigation to finish before judging the guy ?

100% correct ! dont believe everything you read.

[holy cow cm]

20 minutes ago, newatthis said:

That's a bit hard, isn't it? I'm sure people who know him would say he's a good fella just as friends of the American will probably say he was a knight in shining armour coming to the rescue of a damsel in distress.

Perhaps harsh but perhaps not. If trouble maker as he was purported to be and maybe progressively getting worse, then his days were numbered. Reminds me of EU people who like to grab your cheek and then tap slap like you are inferior. Just a means to demean you as they think superior with their self absorbed ego. 

[holy cow cm]

23 minutes ago, Acemaker said:

What a Knob you are, sounds like youre the type of person who has it coming soon also.

Nope. Just over the years (in my fifties) am not tolerant of people like this if his hooligan or obnoxious antics are true. If true then amazing he made it this far. Yeah death is a bit far, but a good beating maybe was prescribed.

[moe666]

20 minutes ago, Antiparovian said:

Well said

Well said the fact he has it all wrong, do a bit more reading as the story is unfolding as we speak

[alex8912]

1 hour ago, scottide said:

Him thug! Him use excessive force to "rescue" the Thai woman.  No CCTV, but previous reports state his thug friends filmed the incident.  Even if deleted the video can be recovered.

Haven't you noticed previous reports have said a lot of misinformation? Remember even the killers age was 20 something. Why don't you detectives give it a day and some REAL reports including  ones from doctors may come out. 

[Ombra]

Yes. He sounds like Sir Galahad.

[smacks41]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

The American has zero defense.  He murdered.  It's not even 2nd degree.  It's 1st degree.   If he had a problem with something he witnessed in the bar, then there are ways to deal with such things:

 

confront the wrongdoer ...with words, or a hard shove or an arm-bent-behind-the-back, ....but stomping on the victims head multiple times is WAAAAAAAY beyond the pale.  

 

If found guilty: MAXIMUM PENALTY!  He'll meet some tougher guys during his decades in prison.

It's not 1st degree, as for it to be 1st  degree, he would have had to go into the bar with the intent to kill the drunken Aussie thug.  Don't think that was the case.  It sounds like words were probably exchanged to begin with, and then escalated from there. 

[Eagle60]

Such a sad and disgusting story of men acting in a revolting fashion.  Unfortunately and very sadly a man is dead. If one involves oneself in violence and causes the death of someone, be man enough to take responsibility and show some remorse. A family is devastated by this terrible news and this thug is responsible. He took the decision to involve himself in violence and arrogantly thought he had the right to do what he did. Sorry does not wash with me.  I have zero sympathy for him. From the accounts that are on this thread, it seems he has a violent past and from photos (yes to be judgmental) he looks like a thug. A person of low self esteem who finds it necessary to beef himself up to feel like he is someone important, or to have some sort of self worth. He deserves to rot in jail and anyone around him, will be safer for it. Maybe the other guy was drunk and acting badly, but it still gives no one the right to kill him. I am sure we have all seen guys behaving badly, but do we beat the person to death ? Okay maybe one could argue, it was an accident and he went too far and lost his cool. But that still means he is dangerous and society would be a safer place with him off the streets. He is responsible for killing a human being. That seems sure.

 

Let’s not forget a man is dead. A family reeling in shock having just been given news no one would wish to hear.  I find it strange that people live in Thailand for 20 + years or more and never have a violent confrontation, yet those that do, try to justify it in some way. We all make our decisions in life and this thug made his. Live with it, show remorse and take responsibility like a man. You have just killed a human being and no excuses of self defense to me washes clean the terrible thing that has happened.  Why do I hope he rots in a jail for the rest of his life…because he is violent and the human beings that are not, will be safer if he is not out on the streets. Whether that be in the USA or Thailand.  Tired of men who cannot go out and act like civilized human beings. The majority do and have fun. Get drunk and enjoy themselves. So why would anyone defend or excuse those that bring violence to others lives. All very sad and unnecessary. My sympathy to the family who are now having to deal with this.

Edited February 13, 2018 by davidcc

[lanng khao]

Deary me! , pathetic reasoning.

Opinions vary, you always right are ya?

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[Thaidream]

The use of violence as a matter of fact cannot be condoned. There  is most likely plenty of fault to go around based on what is currently known.

 

-If the deceased was a known trouble maker and was drunk- he should have been bared from entering and at the least cut off from further alcohol- in the West, the  bar would be cited and possibly sued for damages.

 

-If the deceased did indeed assault the waitress-where was the bar manager and/or security . It is their job to protect their patrons and employees from unruly customers.

 

-Sine there was an assault in progress (deceased vs waitress) a bystander- the American- has a right to intervene to stop the assault. However, only reasonable force can be employed.  If Mr. Polanco was defending himself because the deceased threw a punch at him- once the deceased went down- the American had to stop his action right there.  If he did-and the witnesses and other evidence backed him up- self defense or possibly involuntary manslaughter (no intent to kill)-  Time served-fine-deported and blacklisted. 

 

However, If the American started kicking while the deceased was down-and the death occurred as a result- the charge is Manslaughter (which is 3rd Degree murder) and a guilty verdict  will result in about 10 years  (out in 5  or less)

 

The coroner's/hospital report is the final key most likely (as the witness statements seem contradictory). The extent of injury will determine what type of force was used.

 

Would I have intervened if I was there. I  honestly don't know. No one deserves to be assaulted and no one should have to die. There are just too many cases of  people getting drunk and out of control and a good reason to avoid  these type of places.