New British party inspired by France's Macron seeks to overturn Brexit

[bert bloggs]

2 hours ago, Becker said:

Whatever it takes to fix one of the most stupid decisions an electorate has ever made - right up there with voting in a man-child POS for the most important office in the world.

Are you talking about when they voted for Obhama? surely not Tony Blair , that was not the most important office in the world .

[ResandePohm]

3 hours ago, steve187 said:

everyday day more anti constitutional, anti brexit rubbish

What a load of BS. There is nothing unconstitutional about starting a new party and if they do it on an anti Brexit platform then they are fully entitled.

What is unconstitutional is your post thinking that anyone who opposes Brexit is unconstitional. Freedom of expression is a part of British democracy. Learn to live with it.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, chrissables said:

Good to see you backing a democratic vote!

It's great to see that you are so keen supporter of democracy. I'm sure you'll be thrilled to support the new referendum vote. After all it means there is more democracy for you and everybody else.

 

People's voice must be heard - Give the people of UK new vote now! 

 

[bert bloggs]

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

It's great to see that you are so keen supporter of democracy. I'm sure you'll be thrilled to support the new referendum vote. After all it means there is more democracy for you and everybody else.

 

People's voice must be heard - Give the people of UK new vote now! 

 

And if the vote is 52% for 48% against ,do we get to vote again?

or 48% for and 52% against , how many times can we vote ?

[Shackleton123]

2 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Possibly. But I suspect that, with May's capitulation over brexit, Corbyn is being returned to his former status. Noticed the increasing bad press on him lately?

Yes (LOL) Noticed it. The Torygraph is calling him a communist spy, and the Daily Fail has waded in with similar ludicrous claims. Turns out (according to BBC World News this morning) if he had any  information at all, it was most likely for British Intelligence, with whom he was in contact. I noted (as you have) that there must be a perceived threat for even the Tories to sink this low.

[Enoon]

3 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

I smell irony with this Renew party, that seeks to overthrow the democratic will of the British people. One wonders, if the Renew party has electoral success, should there be another vote and another, until the people that did not vote for Renew get their way? Would Renew party support the ignoring of democratic mandates if Renew were winning? What a mess this has all become. We had a referendum, we won, it's over. 

 

That is the way the UK Constitution works.

 

No such thing as permanent law and legislation.

 

That's why it is never "over".

 

 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

And if the vote is 52% for 48% against ,do we get to vote again?

or 48% for and 52% against , how many times can we vote ?

Either way it would get the UK and the EU out of this stalled situation.

 

If the Brexit vote wins again, there is no longer doubt and Brexit can go ahead in full speed.

If the Remain vote wins, then Brexit is cancelled and the kids of the future will read about this silly season from their textbooks.

 

Either way, this stagnation ends and people & countries can go forward improving their lives.

 

Sounds fair?

[Enoon]

10 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

And if the vote is 52% for 48% against ,do we get to vote again?

or 48% for and 52% against , how many times can we vote ?

 

Another referendum?

 

No

 

It will Parliamentary voting that makes the decisions from now on.

 

They will, of course, be keeping an eye on the opinion polls/focus groups.

 

Any idea what they are saying?

 

 

 

 

[Khun Han]

2 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Either way it would get the UK and the EU out of this stalled situation.

 

If the Brexit vote wins again, there is no longer doubt and Brexit can go ahead in full speed.

If the Remain vote wins, then Brexit is cancelled and the kids of the future will read about this silly season from their textbooks.

 

Either way, this stagnation ends and people & countries can go forward improving their lives.

 

Sounds fair?

 

What an odd post! Your recent pronouncements have been along the lines of 'good riddance, we've already forgotten about you." Now you want us to have second thoughts?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The British taking inspiration from the French?

 

What has the world come to!!!  

[Khun Han]

2 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

Another referendum?

 

No

 

It will Parliamentary voting that makes the decisions from now on.

 

They will, of course, be keeping an eye on the opinion polls/focus groups.

 

Any idea what they are saying?

 

 

 

 

 

They are similar to the ones prior to the referendum.

[champers]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The British taking inspiration from the French?

 

What has the world come to!!!  

We'll be calling chips french fries next.

[Guest]

Just now, Khun Han said:

 

What an odd post! Your recent pronouncements have been along the lines of 'good riddance, we've already forgotten about you." Now you want us to have second thoughts?

Yes. I want us both sides to go forward. One way or another. It's this  stagnation which is worse than either end to this story.

[Kieran00001]

4 hours ago, steve187 said:

everyday day more anti constitutional, anti brexit rubbish

 

What were you thinking there?  Did you think the UK had a constitution?  Did you think that if there were one then it would somehow prevent a political party from campaigning against Brexit?

[vogie]

25 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Either way it would get the UK and the EU out of this stalled situation.

 

If the Brexit vote wins again, there is no longer doubt and Brexit can go ahead in full speed.

If the Remain vote wins, then Brexit is cancelled and the kids of the future will read about this silly season from their textbooks.

 

Either way, this stagnation ends and people & countries can go forward improving their lives.

 

Sounds fair?

"If the Brexit vote wins again, there is no longer doubt and Brexit can go ahead in full speed."

 

The only doubters are the remainers, why should we cater for a minority.

 

If the UK decided to have another referendum (opinion poll for remainers) and one of the choices was 'walk away and pay nothing' if that choice was chosen by the British people, I think a lot of the remaining EU countrys would have to have their contributions increased dramatically. So maybe it might not be in your interests for the UK to go down the another referendum route.

 

Sounds fair?

 

 

Edited February 20, 2018 by vogie

[Kieran00001]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

"If the Brexit vote wins again, there is no longer doubt and Brexit can go ahead in full speed."

 

The only doubters are the remainers, why should we cater for a minority.

 

If the UK decided to have another referendum (opinion poll for remainers) and one of the choices was 'walk away and pay nothing' if that choice was chosen by the British people, I think a lot of the remaining EU countrys would have to have their contributions increased dramatically. So maybe it might not be in your interests for the UK to go down the referendum route.

 

Souns fair?

 

 

 

The remainers are now in the majority, its actually a 10 point lead, so using your logic, why should we cater for a minority?

 

Keep dreaming.  If the UK walked away without paying their bills those bills would be passed onto the other member states and then the UK would be taken to the International Court of Justice by all 27 countries one by one and as a result we would only end up paying more.  And, another referendum does not have to have your fantasy question on it anyway, it could just be a simple stay or leave vote again, and this time remain would almost certainly win by a landslide.

[impulse]

2 hours ago, Khun Han said:

Not if the standing government sends out a pamphlet to every home in the country stating categorically that it will act according to the result of the referendum.

 

And if that standing government gets voted out before they can implement their (non-binding) promise, what does that mean?

 

The referendum was non-binding because that's the way a representative government works.  The promises of politicians have never been binding.  They lie to get into power or stay in power- and the only recourse is to vote them out.  Which seems to be the gist of the OP.  Representative democracy working like it should. 

 

Edited February 20, 2018 by impulse

[sammieuk1]

The one stunning outcome so far in this debacle is the flat cap brexit north led up the garden path by Boris Gove and Farangatang have successfully made the pound into a Euro thus making it cheaper for the immigrants they expected to be ejected the next day .

[DefaultName]

I've never understood why (way back when) when politicians gave Europe the right to pass laws that bound British people, they weren't immediately arrested for treason.

 

As to Brexit, I keep hearing financial arguments.  What happened to pride, we were a Sovereign country and should be again.  The benefits of Europe seem to have gone mainly to business - we haven't even got open trade as promised.  And of course politicians, it's opened up a whole new tier of jobs for them.

 

In the original vote (1972?), I voted to join, I was wrong, I never expected all that's happened because of it.

[gamini]

4 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

I smell irony with this Renew party, that seeks to overthrow the democratic will of the British people. One wonders, if the Renew party has electoral success, should there be another vote and another, until the people that did not vote for Renew get their way? Would Renew party support the ignoring of democratic mandates if Renew were winning? What a mess this has all become. We had a referendum, we won, it's over. 

Democratic will of 17 million people v a population of 70 million???

[gamini]

4 hours ago, Orac said:

 

When you define electoral success as overthrowing the "democratic will of the British people"  you have a very odd understanding of democracy.

and only 17 million people voted for brexit out of 70 million??

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, DefaultName said:

I've never understood why (way back when) when politicians gave Europe the right to pass laws that bound British people, they weren't immediately arrested for treason.

 

As to Brexit, I keep hearing financial arguments.  What happened to pride, we were a Sovereign country and should be again.  The benefits of Europe seem to have gone mainly to business - we haven't even got open trade as promised.  And of course politicians, it's opened up a whole new tier of jobs for them.

1) Every community have common rules. That's why you can't refuse to pay taxes to UK government, even if you would not agree with the beer taxation. Otherwise why would anyone allow the UK government to say what their local city does?

 

2) Perhaps you have not heard of the freedoms of movement and work in other EU countries. Not all people want to stay where we have been born. Some like to move around and EU gives the ability for us to do so.

 

There is probably a lot of other freedoms which EU does for us. Perhaps either EU or your local government have failed to bring the positive sides of EU to your knowledge?

[impulse]

18 minutes ago, DefaultName said:

I've never understood why (way back when) when politicians gave Europe the right to pass laws that bound British people, they weren't immediately arrested for treason.

 

Possibly because it was approved by a 2/3 majority of the voters?  That's a lot of people to bang up, house and feed.   Especially when less than 1/3 of the people are out of prison working.

 

Edited February 20, 2018 by impulse

[impulse]

22 minutes ago, DefaultName said:

In the original vote (1972?), I voted to join, I was wrong, I never expected all that's happened because of it.

 

Just out of curiosity, before the EEC and EU, what was the record for the longest the Western European countries went without one of them declaring war on another?  70+ years seems like a pretty good run.

 

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Just out of curiosity, before the EEC and EU, what was the record for the longest the Western European countries went without one of them declaring war on another?  70+ years seems like a pretty good run.

 

Yes you're quite correct, the EU doesn't have to fire a shot to take other countrys over, very clever.

[Krataiboy]

Another Soros "charity" investment?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

Either way it would get the UK and the EU out of this stalled situation.

 

If the Brexit vote wins again, there is no longer doubt and Brexit can go ahead in full speed.

If the Remain vote wins, then Brexit is cancelled and the kids of the future will read about this silly season from their textbooks.

 

Either way, this stagnation ends and people & countries can go forward improving their lives.

 

Sounds fair?

 

Not at all.

 

If the Remain votes win by a similar majority the Brexit voters can also demand another referendum.

 

Best of 3, 5, 7, 9 or more?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Not at all.

 

If the Remain votes win by a similar majority the Brexit voters can also demand another referendum.

 

Best of 3, 5, 7, 9 or more?

That sounds fair. Best of 3. Simply do it so that everybody can go forward. This whole waiting game is getting old.

[Kieran00001]

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Not at all.

 

If the Remain votes win by a similar majority the Brexit voters can also demand another referendum.

 

Best of 3, 5, 7, 9 or more?

 

If we are to do best of's then we at least need the third, at the moment it is one all!

[billd766]

35 minutes ago, gamini said:

Democratic will of 17 million people v a population of 70 million???

 

Take out the numbers of people ie those not of voting age and there are not 70 million,, more like 50 million.

 

Take out those who cannot be bothered to vote and it will be closer to 45 million.

 

A link for you.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

 

Of the 46,501,241 who were eligible to vote,

 

Leave Vote share 51.9%

Votes 17,410,742 Votes

 

Remain

Vote share 48.1%

Votes 16,141,241 Votes

 

Rejected ballots 26,033

 

That left 12,923,225 or nearly 28% couldn't be bothered to vote at all.

 

The turnout was 72.2% which is far higher than any general election turnout for decades.

 

51 minutes ago, gamini said:

and only 17 million people voted for brexit out of 70 million??