Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[The manic]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/12/northern-ireland-punishment-attacks-rise-60-in-four-years/

The remainers say we must stay in Eurostate because of the sanctity of the Northern Island Agreement. Just another lie and anti democracy propaganda. 

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

It has brought out some sleeping demons in many

You mean the odd nutter.

[talahtnut]

6 minutes ago, The manic said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/12/northern-ireland-punishment-attacks-rise-60-in-four-years/

The remainers say we must stay in Eurostate because of the sanctity of the Northern Island Agreement. Just another lie and anti democracy propaganda. 

Lies, propaganda...surely not 

[nontabury]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

Another theory is that the 1975 referendum was due to the fact that Harold Wilson was worried that entry into the EEC was illegal, as the British Constitution requires Parliament to consult the electorate directly, where constitutional change which would affect their political sovereignty, is in prospect. 

 

The 1975 referendum campaign leaflets can be seen here:

http://www.civitas.org.uk/eu-facts/the-1975-referendum/

 

Amazing how much more close to the truth the NO campaign was.

Fascinating reading 43yrs on. And let’s remember this was for joining the trading block called the EEC. Unfortunately this has transformed, without the permission of the British people into the hated E.U.

 

 

[sandyf]

20 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

I thought ministers were selected from the governing party's available MPs.

 

Exactly, "selected". They are only elected as MPs not elected into ministerial office. The PM selects those that are unlikely to disagree and then this bunch of unelected party bureaucrats tell every other party MP how they will vote, autocracy in all but name.

[Orac]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/12/northern-ireland-punishment-attacks-rise-60-in-four-years/
The remainers say we must stay in Eurostate because of the sanctity of the Northern Island Agreement. Just another lie and anti democracy propaganda. 

Yes - important that people remember that peace can be a fragile thing and the Good Friday Agreement (or Belfast Agreement as TM seems to have started calling it now) can be undermined by those whose goal is not in the best interests of the people of NI as a whole but narrower political aims.

Worth remembering also that the current dominant power in NI are the DUP who TM relies upon to maintain power in Westminster - the same DUP who walked away from the GFA. Also interesting to note that the majority of the violent acts referred to in the article were by UVF/UDA aligned groups (57 of 101).


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[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Exactly, "selected". They are only elected as MPs not elected into ministerial office. The PM selects those that are unlikely to disagree and then this bunch of unelected party bureaucrats tell every other party MP how they will vote, autocracy in all but name.

What rot. At least UK MPs have to be elected by the people before they qualify for this so-called "autocracy", unlike the mysteriously selected EU bureaucrats, whose names never even appear on an open ballot paper.  

[sandyf]

21 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Can you show me the calculation for this £200m a week that Brexit has supposedly cost?

 

It was in a previous post which obviously you haven't bothered to read.

[Orac]

What rot. At least UK MPs have to be elected by the people before they qualify for this so-called "autocracy", unlike the mysteriously selected EU bureaucrats, whose names never even appear on an open ballot paper.  

No - a minister does not have to be an MP but can also be from the House of Lords. Peter Mandelson is a good example where Brown put him in the cabinet as Business Secretary and also gave him a peerage at the same time.


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[aright]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Indirectly, yes of course. Hatred of foreigners generally has now been legitimised as far as the lumpen masses are concerned.

 

I do hope the Spanish take out on the English on the Costas for speaking English in Spain and for being embarrassingly tasteless.

How is life in Thailand?

[nauseus]

24 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

 

No - a minister does not have to be an MP but can also be from the House of Lords. Peter Mandelson is a good example where Brown put him in the cabinet as Business Secretary and also gave him a peerage at the same time.


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That is not what I said but if any PM filled the cabinet full of lords then that PM wouldn't be such for very long. Eh? And Mandelson is NOT a good example!

Edited April 14, 2018 by nauseus

[nauseus]

21 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Can you show me the calculation for this £200m a week that Brexit has supposedly cost? I suspect he let that number 'slip out' just to put the frighteners on. He went to the same school of kidology as George Osborne.

 

It seems he managed to fool at least one person

 

There was no calculation demonstrated. It was just Carney continuing his membership of Club Project Fear.  

[sandyf]

The GDP figures are a matter of public record. Brexiteers will come up with every argument under the sun to make out the figures are better than expected. It would be Project Fear to suggest otherwise.

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain was the weakest Group of Seven economy over the course of 2017 in terms of overall growth, and there are other ways that the vote to leave the European Union has left its mark too.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-economy/brexit-vote-impact-felt-throughout-uk-economy-idUSKCN1GB1BY

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The GDP figures are a matter of public record. Brexiteers will come up with every argument under the sun to make out the figures are better than expected. It would be Project Fear to suggest otherwise.

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain was the weakest Group of Seven economy over the course of 2017 in terms of overall growth, and there are other ways that the vote to leave the European Union has left its mark too.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-economy/brexit-vote-impact-felt-throughout-uk-economy-idUSKCN1GB1BY

Nice switch - did you play rugby?

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

I would say the same, except that I would insert Blair for Thatcher.

Either. The fact remains that the UK has gone down a long way. We have lost respect and prestige in many but not all areas.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Either. The fact remains that the UK has gone down a long way. We have lost respect and prestige in many but not all areas.

I could submit one reason for that but I would hate it if you were to blow a valve. 

[Grouse]

46 minutes ago, aright said:

How is life in Thailand?

It's not really my cup of tea.

 

However, although xenophobia does certainly exist here, it is not so overtly unpleasant as in the UK.

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Either. The fact remains that the UK has gone down a long way. We have lost respect and prestige in many but not all areas.

Weeeeeeeell, I reckon a few have lost respect, you come to mind....

 

Plus the Brit German guy, that was to be expected though..

[aright]

From the Office of National statistics......this is what we think of ourselves....scores out of 10 

 

 

[aright]

Germany and the EU........first two letters

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/04/14/lettersunited-action-against-chemical-attacks-undermined-germany/

[StreetCowboy]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

The GDP figures are a matter of public record. Brexiteers will come up with every argument under the sun to make out the figures are better than expected. It would be Project Fear to suggest otherwise.

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain was the weakest Group of Seven economy over the course of 2017 in terms of overall growth, and there are other ways that the vote to leave the European Union has left its mark too.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-economy/brexit-vote-impact-felt-throughout-uk-economy-idUSKCN1GB1BY

Once we're freed from the same dead hand of the EU that holds back all those European countries that prospered ahead of us, we'll rocket past them.  We'll be like Evel Knevel, only much more modern, and on a Triumph motorbike made in the Far East, and perhaps with fewer broken bones.  I can scarcely wait.

[simoh1490]

This is not directly Brexit related, instead, it's the economic backdrop against which Brexit is being undertaken.

 

A very good article that suggests dangerous economic times are just ahead - the Dry Baltic Exchange has been falling, that's a reflection of the amount of shipping activity globally and a very reliable indicator; the money supply has been falling for some time, that reflects the amount of money in circulation; the US yield curve is inverting, that's a sign of no confidence in the US economy; inflation is picking up, US 3 month Libor is nearly 2%.  There's lots more anecdotal data to suggest the same, combined it becomes much more than just anecdotal, much of the world of economics thinks we're headed for a global recession. 

 

This is not a good time to be foraging for new business when everyone else is belt-tightening and hatches are being battened.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/09/jp-morgan-fears-fed-policy-mistake-us-yield-curve-inverts/

 

[StreetCowboy]

4 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

This is not directly Brexit related, instead, it's the economic backdrop against which Brexit is being undertaken.

 

A very good article that suggests dangerous economic times are just ahead - the Dry Baltic Exchange has been falling, that's a reflection of the amount of shipping activity globally and a very reliable indicator; the money supply has been falling for some time, that reflects the amount of money in circulation; the US yield curve is inverting, that's a sign of no confidence in the US economy; inflation is picking up, US 3 month Libor is nearly 2%.  There's lots more anecdotal data to suggest the same, combined it becomes much more than just anecdotal, much of the world of economics thinks we're headed for a global recession. 

 

This is not a good time to be foraging for new business when everyone else is belt-tightening and hatches are being battened.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/09/jp-morgan-fears-fed-policy-mistake-us-yield-curve-inverts/

 

It will be fine.  The British are used to fishing in troubled waters.  A few gunboats, torch a couple of palaces, and it will be like 1900 all over again, at least insofar as we will have an elderly Queen on the throne. 

 

It's not time to hesitate and proceed with caution - it's time To Boldly Go into the Brave New World.  In the post-apocalyptic world, after the world economy collapses, we'll be one step ahead; we'll get there first.  

[simoh1490]

1 hour ago, aright said:

From the Office of National statistics......this is what we think of ourselves....scores out of 10 

 

 

 

 

 

So everyone started to feel better about a whole range of things, right after the referendum, why was that and what else happened statistically  around the same time, hmmm? Interesting to see the massive divergence between survey data and reality, always good for a larf!

 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41677046

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

This is not directly Brexit related, instead, it's the economic backdrop against which Brexit is being undertaken.

 

A very good article that suggests dangerous economic times are just ahead - the Dry Baltic Exchange has been falling, that's a reflection of the amount of shipping activity globally and a very reliable indicator; the money supply has been falling for some time, that reflects the amount of money in circulation; the US yield curve is inverting, that's a sign of no confidence in the US economy; inflation is picking up, US 3 month Libor is nearly 2%.  There's lots more anecdotal data to suggest the same, combined it becomes much more than just anecdotal, much of the world of economics thinks we're headed for a global recession. 

 

This is not a good time to be foraging for new business when everyone else is belt-tightening and hatches are being battened.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/09/jp-morgan-fears-fed-policy-mistake-us-yield-curve-inverts/

 

Well I can finally agree with you on something! I'm glad you said global. Hallelujah! The Telewag too!

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

It will be fine.  The British are used to fishing in troubled waters.  A few gunboats, torch a couple of palaces, and it will be like 1900 all over again, at least insofar as we will have an elderly Queen on the throne. 

 

It's not time to hesitate and proceed with caution - it's time To Boldly Go into the Brave New World.  In the post-apocalyptic world, after the world economy collapses, we'll be one step ahead; we'll get there first.  

 

Should have been Boris Johnson as Captain Kirk and Nigel Farage as Spock but I'm too drunk to edit the credits!   

Edited April 14, 2018 by nauseus

[nauseus]

This really made my day. Delirium gone mad! 

 

 

[oldlakey]

15 hours ago, soalbundy said:

You don't need me, all you need is a spell checker and an online dictionary, something I use frequently, it is a sign of respect towards one's fellow users of this site.

Yes I have first hand experience of your respect for your fellow members

Mr Grammar Policeman

[talahtnut]

7 hours ago, aright said:

From the Office of National statistics......this is what we think of ourselves....scores out of 10 

 

 

 

I cant believe those graphs, Ive never heard of a happy woman, or a satisfied one.

Rubbish, Statistics and damn lies.

[aright]

21 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

I cant believe those graphs, Ive never heard of a happy woman, or a satisfied one.

Rubbish, Statistics and damn lies.

I have. we need to compare penis'.