Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[tebee]

1 minute ago, flyingdoc said:

We are all waiting for some meaningful negotiations to be implemented shortly, including the debacle over the Irish Republic/N.I border debacle.  But will it happen?

The problem is to enter meaningful negotiations you really need to have decided on what you want out of them - we seem to have skipped that step.

 

So almost 2 years gone and 6 months left - is panic starting to set in yet?

[Scott]

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[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

OK, reported to moderators.

 

You could have just used the ignore facility

Why should I ignore you when you respond to one of my comments. I did not respond to one of your comments 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

Leavers are like those who said the the Great War would be over by Christmas.
None of them had a plan to finish the war.
None of them could name a single tangible benefit of fighting.
But they all blamed the soldiers for not fighting hard enough when the war dragged on.
 

Very subtle, comparing the complexities of the appalling 1st World war, in which more than 8 million men and women lost their lives   …………… to people that voted differently to you in a referendum vote on the UK leaving the EU

 

I hope you’re feeling  better for spitting that out

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Why should I ignore you when you respond to one of my comments. I did not respond to one of your comments 

I have now added you to my ignore list. First time I ever used this facility

 

I have also made a formal complaint about your attitude.

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

I have now added you to my ignore list. First time I ever used this facility

 

I have also made a formal complaint about your attitude.

That's a bit rich coming from you grouse, when you call people that don't agree with you 'numpties and morons' you kinda lose the high moral ground, IMO.

[nauseus]

15 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

"These individuals will be surveyed before the referendum to identify the factors that influenced vote intention and the likelihood of voting and twice after the referendum to identify whether and why people voted the way they did. This will be a panel study, using the same respondents before and after the referendum in order to determine how intentions translate into behaviour, and to see how expectations influence reactions to the referendum result."

 

Copied from your link - emphasis mine. Enjoy your beer.

Buurpp. Thanks.

 

It was a survey, started before the referendum and it was not an analysis of the actual votes.

 

Oh my head.

[nauseus]

14 hours ago, aright said:

My evening tipple will be a Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc  which I bought on special at Morrisons for six quid. What would you pay in LOS? 

A reasonable Kiwi s/blanc here probably 20 quid. Cloudy Bay 80 quid ++.

 

I won't bother with the BS duty free on the way to UK  - just love Mozzers!

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

That's a bit rich coming from you grouse, when you call people that don't agree with you 'numpties and morons' you kinda lose the high moral ground, IMO.

Have I ever called you or any other Brexiteer a numpty or a moron?

 

No, I was referring to 52M people

 

I dont do ad hominems

 

I have also never asked another member to leave

 

I can take all the brickbats and insults anyone can throw at me

 

So, I have made a complaint and, for the first time ever, used the ignore function

 

I was given a suspension for using the word numpty (which I thought was an amusing word). I have NEVER used it since

 

I have happily jousted with you and several others over the years and have appreciated this discourse though we have different opinions on the Brexit issue.

 

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

That's a bit rich coming from you grouse, when you call people that don't agree with you 'numpties and morons' you kinda lose the high moral ground, IMO.

 

Grouse has been on my ignore list since the back end of last year. I got fed up with being called stupid, uneducated because I had not gone to university and as a Brexit voter I had no idea what I was talking about.

 

What Grouse cannot accept is democracy as his "side" didn't win the Brexit vote so in his small mind everybody who voted had no idea why they voted the way that they did and therefore were stupid.

 

I only see his posts now if somebody replies to him.

[transam]

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Grouse has been on my ignore list since the back end of last year. I got fed up with being called stupid, uneducated because I had not gone to university and as a Brexit voter I had no idea what I was talking about.

 

What Grouse cannot accept is democracy as his "side" didn't win the Brexit vote so in his small mind everybody who voted had no idea why they voted the way that they did and therefore were stupid.

 

I only see his posts now if somebody replies to him.

Does he post on any other subject....?    

[billd766]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Does he post on any other subject....?    

 

You would have to ask someone who not only sees his posts and actually reads and cares about them too.

 

It wouldn't be me though.

[nauseus]

43 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Have I ever called you or any other Brexiteer a numpty or a moron?

 

No, I was referring to 52M people

 

I dont do ad hominems

 

I have also never asked another member to leave

 

I can take all the brickbats and insults anyone can throw at me

 

So, I have made a complaint and, for the first time ever, used the ignore function

 

I was given a suspension for using the word numpty (which I thought was an amusing word). I have NEVER used it since

 

I have happily jousted with you and several others over the years and have appreciated this discourse though we have different opinions on the Brexit issue.

 

 

Er..........a bit self-contradictory there, Grouse.

[RuamRudy]

44 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Have I ever called you or any other Brexiteer a numpty or a moron?

 

No, I was referring to 52M people

 

I dont do ad hominems

 

I have also never asked another member to leave

 

I can take all the brickbats and insults anyone can throw at me

 

So, I have made a complaint and, for the first time ever, used the ignore function

 

I was given a suspension for using the word numpty (which I thought was an amusing word). I have NEVER used it since

 

I have happily jousted with you and several others over the years and have appreciated this discourse though we have different opinions on the Brexit issue.

 

 

I agree with you here Grouse - this thread, and the previous Brexit ones were never over-endowed with equanimity, but there was a rumbustious, semi-good natured civility in the whole (give or take the odd dummy being spat). Recently, however, the new arrival of a self-appointed moderator has really changed the tone of the posts. I much preferred the old ways.

[transam]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

I agree with you here Grouse - this thread, and the previous Brexit ones were never over-endowed with equanimity, but there was a rumbustious, semi-good natured civility in the whole (give or take the odd dummy being spat). Recently, however, the new arrival of a self-appointed moderator has really changed the tone of the posts. I much preferred the old ways.

.....Sorry, couldn't help it.....

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, transam said:

.....Sorry, couldn't help it.....

Go on - be more specific. What bit do you find amusing?

[dick dasterdly]

15 hours ago, aright said:

The practical effect of remaining in the Customs Union leaves the UK with all the existing EU controls in place but with virtually no influence. This would not be tolerated by Fox , Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Gove and others and more importantly by me.....Joe Public.

It would make Mrs May and the Conservatives unelectable for the foreseeable future.

I can't believe they are going to sign there own death warrant. 

Finding a way to nullify the brexit referendum result (without alienating a large part of the electorate) is their current nightmare - and horribly fascinating to watch.... 

[transam]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Go on - be more specific. What bit do you find amusing?

New moderator.....Who is it....Well it ain't me....

[dick dasterdly]

54 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Have I ever called you or any other Brexiteer a numpty or a moron?

 

No, I was referring to 52M people

 

I dont do ad hominems

 

I have also never asked another member to leave

 

I can take all the brickbats and insults anyone can throw at me

 

So, I have made a complaint and, for the first time ever, used the ignore function

 

I was given a suspension for using the word numpty (which I thought was an amusing word). I have NEVER used it since

 

I have happily jousted with you and several others over the years and have appreciated this discourse though we have different opinions on the Brexit issue.

 

 

"I was given a suspension for using the word numpty (which I thought was an amusing word). I have NEVER used it since"

 

Very true, you immediately posted about your suspension (when it ended), and came up with another insulting term - and, IIRC, felt very pleased with yourself for doing so....

[Laughing Gravy]

Sadly, like other threads on Brexit people have actually forgotten what Brexit was, if it happened, driven by David Cameron the leader of the league campaign.  Brexit meant triggering article 50 and we would leave the customs union and the single market. That was said plain and simple to everyone on national TV numerous times.

 

The reason we have this farce happening is quite simple after DC resigned, the leadership for the Tories was won by Teresa May. She as a remainer has thwarted what the people voted for, to leave and has run in circles until some people are actually forgetting, what the referendum was about. It was about leaving the customs union and the single market along with the EU membership.

 

In the period since the vote the establishment have done their very best with project fear and making the ‘so called negotiations’ as difficult as possible. Hearing some posters on here going on about “we didn’t vote for this”. You are right. We voted for a clean break from the EU. Now.

 

The whole hard and soft Brexit terms, seem to have been created as a smoke screen to keep the UK tied to the EU. There are no such things. It was out or in.

 

For those who are also claiming a second referendum it was stated many times, that it was a onetime referendum. Once we actually leave or if we ever do, then why not champion that cause say after 10 years and at least two governments. I rarely comment these days on Brexit as it has become boring, predictable and like an episode from one of the soaps in the UK, dreary and not what was expected.

 

TM for me has had her chance and failed miserably. Get out now and move over for someone who will do what the actual democratic referendum was about. Get out of the EU, the customs union and single market and be allowed to trade and run the country by elected politicians, rather than unelected ones in Brussels.

 

 

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[RuamRudy]

9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Finding a way to nullify the brexit referendum result (without alienating a large part of the electorate) is their current nightmare - and horribly fascinating to watch.... 

Utterly fascinating, I agree - I almost have sympathy with the PM's position. I cannot imagine how she can sleep at night with so much going on around her, and so little control over much of it.

[soalbundy]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Utterly fascinating, I agree - I almost have sympathy with the PM's position. I cannot imagine how she can sleep at night with so much going on around her, and so little control over much of it.

She will be working out her good pension, it's such a comfort

[Orac]

Utterly fascinating, I agree - I almost have sympathy with the PM's position. I cannot imagine how she can sleep at night with so much going on around her, and so little control over much of it.

I wouldn’t feel too sorry for her. She was a remainer so has now jumped on the Brexit bandwagon purely due to her own desire for power and is now trying usurp more power from parliament to centralise control in her own hands despite not commanding a majority in Parliament - a situation of her own making.


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[aright]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

A reasonable Kiwi s/blanc here probably 20 quid. Cloudy Bay 80 quid ++.

 

I won't bother with the BS duty free on the way to UK  - just love Mozzers!

I did try a glass of Thai Shiraz on my last visit and in fairness it compared well with North Korean reds. 

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

I wouldn’t feel too sorry for her. She was a remainer so has now jumped on the Brexit bandwagon purely due to her own desire for power and is now trying usurp more power from parliament to centralise control in her own hands despite not commanding a majority in Parliament - a situation of her own making.


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Yep. I have to agree about the not feeling sorry bit. But several things should encourage remainers, unfortunately:

 

1) she was voted in as Tory leader by a party knowing she was pro remain.

 

2) She nearly blew the 2017 GE completely with a suicidal manifesto, seemingly intentionally.

 

3) She has not provided "strength and stability". Only weakness has been shown to the EU.

 

4) She seems to be making a buggery of the whole exit process in general terms!

 

I can't stand her but at least Article 50 was triggered. 

[CG1 Blue]

On ‎05‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 10:37 AM, sandyf said:

Show me where I said they were related to brexit. This is what I said

"Appears fairly obvious that brexit has let ministers take their eye off the ball."

 

I will spell it out for you, ministers are so caught up in the brexit saga that they are failing to give other issues their full attention. Had they done so, less people would have had to suffer from ill thought out and flawed government bureaucracy.

Theresa May is the common denominator.

 

It would appear  that you have also taken your finger off the pulse.

 

"They wrote to the home secretary this week saying they had been left in “limbo” and had been let down by the Home Office’s “shameful” rules. Each has been told they need to pay £2,389 if they wish to be granted the indefinite right to remain in the UK.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-army-afghan-interpreters-uk-stay-defence-secretary-gavin-williamson-a8335081.html?S2ref=1532332

 

"Palmer’s mother said: “He was told by the case worker: ‘look, you’re 24 and living at home - move out, get a job, get a life’. That was their answer to his mental health issues, even though I was going: ‘by the way, he has a selection of knives’.

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/parents-of-east-harling-murderer-alexander-palmer-claim-they-warned-mental-health-workers-1-5502733

You're bringing all this up in a Brexit thread. So anything that goes wrong now is because ministers took their eye off the ball because of Brexit?  Righto...

[aright]

7 hours ago, tebee said:

Leavers are like those who said the the Great War would be over by Christmas.
None of them had a plan to finish the war.
None of them could name a single tangible benefit of fighting.
But they all blamed the soldiers for not fighting hard enough when the war dragged on.
 

It's interesting isn't it that when Leavers are asked the reason for leaving you get answers like to save money on the cost of food, clothing, footwear etc.. The benefit of not having to pay EU fees, as the second highest contributor in the EU and getting no return. Establishing our own laws, having a directly responsible Parliament, controlling our borders and regulatory affairs. getting rid of an undemocratic, unaccountable, wasteful, overpaid and vindictive Commission, doing global trade deals etc etc

Yet when you ask Remainers the reason for staying you get no coherent answer. The weakness of their argument all along has been they can't tell us the advantages of staying which led directly to the majority of people voting leave.

[CG1 Blue]

On ‎06‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 4:00 AM, RuamRudy said:

Yesterday, ss many as 90,000 independence supporters marched through Glasgow to show their solidarity and support for a better Scotland. The procession was led by 2 Sikhs, a couple of Polish guys, an Iranian and an Englishman playing the bagpipes.

 

They were met with a very small but enthusiastic group of UK supporters, several of whom were, apparently, later arrested for spitting on the marchers (I am not sure if the rotund one was arrested for making a nazi salute. I am not even sure if that is a crime in the UK. Is it?).

 

Personally, I am saddened that such people in the second photo live in my country. I thought we were a massively better people than that.

 

But why don't you tell me all about this SNP racism of yours?

 

I gather you support Scottish independence, i.e. you want Scotland to break away from a union of nations and find it's own way in the world, no matter what the financial consequences may be.

And yet you want the UK to stay under the rule of Brussels - right?

 

I'm genuinely interested to know why this view is shared by a lot of Scots - it seems contradictory to me.

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

A report by one of the most biased anti Brexit "newspapers" on the UK market.

It would appear that the stock response to anything that does not go down well is to try and shoot the messenger.

Either the Japanese ambassador made the statement or he didn't, if people wish to convince themselves he didn't then that is up to them.

 

They could also try and ignore the message from Japan to the EU and UK concerning brexit.

http://www.mofa.go.jp/files/000185466.pdf

[sandyf]

22 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Forgive me but a couple of things are unclear to me; when you say “We already have the answer, I have to assume a memory lapse or is he part of your Project Fear”  who do you assume has suffered a memory lapse, who is the ‘he’ you refer to and who's project fear do you think ‘he’ might be part of.

 

Secondly, who is the ‘he’ that says Nissan and Toyota are treading water, is it somebody in the link that you provided. I don't open 3rd party links, and my anti-drivel software prevents me accessing the Guardian or the Independent, so perhaps you would be kind enough to tell me ….. thanks

Take it you missed the clue in the link   /koji-tsuruoka-japan-ambassador-britain-brexit-single-market