8 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Of course this Brexit stuff is linked to the 1 billion pounds that the UK has to pay to private individuals, weekly, who in no small way pull the strings of the EU.

 

What are you talking about?

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

This 'Brexit was based on lies' has been done to death - please give it up!

 

Both sides lied like it was an Olympic sport, and in the end the people voted based on how they felt.

Good god man! I am replying to your suggestion that the liars were too good and the EU was too slow to counter them!

Read back a few pages to where the bendy bananas were brought up - because after all this time, there is still no coherent reason for Brexit; so much so that even the most ardent of Brexiteers has to trot out the most facile of lies to try to make a point, and the best justification is the Trumpist 'suck it up' response as if that somehow negates the shit being piled upon our country.

7 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Read back a few pages to where the bendy bananas were brought up - because after all this time, there is still no coherent reason for Brexit; so much so that even the most ardent of Brexiteers has to trot out the most facile of lies to try to make a point, and the best justification is the Trumpist 'suck it up' response as if that somehow negates the shit being piled upon our country.

What lies? Not on this furum!

 

Ever heard the term 'abandonig a sinking ship'?

 

The British public, just like TVForum posters, are more savvy than you maybe think.

42 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

What are you talking about?

What I'm talking about is the dosh that the UK has to pay private individuals for the privalege of balancing its books. Since joining the EU the weekly payments have gone up 1000%. At the mo' the amount is roughly 60 billion pounds a year.

 

The EU is run for the benefit of  the bankers (also big business) and these are the ones that are pulling the strings; not just of Europe, but around the world.

 

And!! Just try and find the details. Secrecy and laws prevent.

4 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Yes! And I have to go out to check on the chickens. Back soon.

Right! It's Beer O'clock.

 

Back the white heat of intellectual debate that is Thaivisa!

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

In a democracy you can also legally and legitimately attempt to reverse a result. You don't have to just sit back and accept it.

That's the old kind of democracy.  Now the people have spoken.  They've had enough of parliamentarians charting a course for the country, so for the time being we are going to drift rudderless, then we'll go full steam ahead in whichever direction we're facing.  I'm sure it will all be fine, with such trustworthy characters at the helm as I have no idea who. 

 

I reckon Corbyn could negotiate us out of the EU better than the current bunch.  Socialist principles are better than no principles at all. 

5 hours ago, Grouse said:

The 2016 Referendum, Brexit and the Left Behind: An Aggregate-Level Analysis of the Result 

 

Is Dundee really confused? Doesn't agree with the conclusions? It is well written scholarly article about the Brexit result. Recommended.

 

I had some trouble posting the piece

Yes I had noticed this thread has been a bit of a cow for you

45 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

I reckon Corbyn could negotiate us out of the EU better than the current bunch.  Socialist principles are better than no principles at all.

 

Corbyn has problems ahead I reckon. In Labour's heartlands there were big %s for Brexit. If he is to be true to his ground-support he must be very clear on what he envisages for UK in Europe.

 

At the next General Election the potential voters might well ask their sitting MP or prospective candidate; "Brexiteer or remoaner?"

 

Difficult for many MPs. Vote the wrong way and they'll be ousted out by grass-rooters.

2 hours ago, aright said:

In a democracy you have to accept the result although you don't necessarily have to agree with the result otherwise democracy serves no purpose. Would you prefer to live in a democracy where the rules are governed by your own truths and your own convictions and to hell with everyone else. As for "for no apparent reason". If you look through this and other posts you will find leavers have a litany of reasons for exit. 

If as you say the future is bleak, and you want to continue being nannied, then you must feel a family responsibility to move the young uns to a bright future country in the EU. I understand the best countries for weather are Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy.............as EU members their future, in a weather sense, has always been bright.  

 

Yes, that's what it's all about ?

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

because after all this time, there is still no coherent reason for Brexit

There is a coherent reason, but you're just not hearing it. The EU is a badly thought out and badly run organisation, full of quangos and egos. The majority in the UK don't want these people ruling over us and becoming ever more powerful.

A common market for trade across Europe - good idea. A federal Europe run by the EU - bad idea. Sadly the latter evolved.

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

This 'Brexit was based on lies' has been done to death - please give it up!

 

Both sides lied like it was an Olympic sport, and in the end the people voted based on how they felt.

Not good enough for a decision of this import 

Just now, Grouse said:

Not good enough for a decision of this import 

No - not good enough - that's why lies from both sides were largely ignored. Most leavers were decided well before the vote.

 

Enough people had woken up and could see the truth about the EEC/EC/EU project, after the 70's camouflage paint cracked and peeled off.  

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No - not good enough - that's why lies from both sides were largely ignored. Most leavers were decided well before the vote.

 

Enough people had woken up and could see the truth about the EEC/EC/EU project, after the 70's camouflage paint cracked and peeled off.  

It was a protest vote

 

Fair enough, but the incorrect target

 

the collateral damage is too great

Just now, Grouse said:

It was a protest vote

 

Fair enough, but the incorrect target

 

the collateral damage is too great

Yes, in protest against the EU. Bullseye!

 

An off topic post has been removed as well as the replies. 

Bye, bye, everybody. Bye bye!

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Bye, bye, everybody. Bye bye!

Bye Bye Sooty

So the OP is clearly wrong, looking at the reactions here some people did vote for this chaos.

the guardian is on its last legs so printing ever more desperate stories to find red readers who are passing on

The Guardian .or as it is to be renamed The Beggar

22 hours ago, Grouse said:

Please read what I write carefully. A majority does NOT confer correctness per se. "Rightness" is a different matter. However, in this case the majority were not right either!

 

I'm wasted as a physicist; I should be an English teacher in a primary school ?

Well on checking the stats ,7 people agreed with my quote and 2 agreed with yours ,so once again the majority wins , so i reckon even as a primary school teacher your "wasted" stick to being on the losing team

6 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Well on checking the stats ,7 people agreed with my quote and 2 agreed with yours ,so once again the majority wins , so i reckon even as a primary school teacher your "wasted" stick to being on the losing team

You might want to stop trolling about likes...oh and you might want to re-count them as well.  

 

2 minutes ago, Scott said:

You might want to stop trolling about likes...oh and you might want to re-count them as well.

Scott; can't you arrange a TVForum referendum on leave or remain?

Just now, owl sees all said:

Scott; can't you arrange it for a TVForum referendum on leave or remain?

I believe we have had a couple of polls in the past, including one after Brexit asking if people still supported it.   On the polls, Brexit was still the winner and most people, on Thaivisa support it.  

 

2 hours ago, Scott said:

You might want to stop trolling about likes...oh and you might want to re-count them as well.  

 

I am sorry Scott there were 5 likes and two thanks , i am not trolling Grouse , i admire his attempts to put us leavers down especially as there are so many more of us , i just say what i think , if you vote and the majority win thats it , as i said to him in another post ,i hated it when Blair won again in our elections , but the majority voted for him ,they may not be right in my opinion ,but thats it ,game set and match.,oh  and i really think this thread has gone on to long

14 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

the guardian is on its last legs so printing ever more desperate stories to find red readers who are passing on

 

Hillarious, the Guardian is the fourth most read paper in the UK and online has a readership of 46 million making it the fifth most read in the world! 

2 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

The Guardian .or as it is to be renamed The Beggar

 

They are pretty well set to be making a profit again by this time next year since their move to change the print format and outsource the printing.

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

I am sorry Scott there were 5 likes and two thanks , i am not trolling Grouse , i admire his attempts to put us leavers down especially as there are so many more of us , i just say what i think , if you vote and the majority win thats it , as i said to him in another post ,i hated it when Blair won again in our elections , but the majority voted for him ,they may not be right in my opinion ,but thats it ,game set and match.,oh  and i really think this thread has gone on to long

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1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Hillarious, the Guardian is the fourth most read paper in the UK and online has a readership of 46 million making it the fifth most read in the world! 

And the Sun is the number 1 read newspaper, your point point is?

41 minutes ago, vogie said:

And the Sun is the number 1 read newspaper, your point point is?

And is the Sun on its last legs as 3NumbNas claimed?