sambum Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Clinton got in trouble for lying. Not the affair. In the Stormy incident its more like the payoff lawyer that is exposed. Fair chance he will be disbarred. "trump" has more serious issues to worry about such as being charged with collusion with Russia, obstruction of Justice, and money laundering for Russian oligarchs. This is embarrassing for "trump" but that could be trivial considering his epic shamelessness and ability to spin everything to the benefit of his ego. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app In one post you say that people are missing the/your point which appears to be not the actual affair but the "cover up". Now you are saying that Clinton only got into trouble for lying. The "cover up" seems to me to be only achievable by lying - either in this case or the Clinton case, and the "trouble" is not just the legal trouble, but the loss of confidence of the voters, and obviously, the missus won't be too happy either! (P.S. Quote from the article "Trump has denied he had an affair with Clifford.") I think that we are both "singing from the same hymnsheet" regarding Trump, but to say that nobody cares about his "dalliance" with a pornstar is in my opinion underestimating the effect that such unsavoury behaviour from a President (or anyone in Public Office) can have. (Albeit before he became President - in fact one could say that he purposely withheld that fact from the populace during his election campaign!) Edited March 13, 2018 by sambum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 In one post you say that people are missing the/your point which appears to be not the actual affair but the "cover up". Now you are saying that Clinton only got into trouble for lying. The "cover up" seems to me to be only achievable by lying - either in this case or the Clinton case, and the "trouble" is not just the legal trouble, but the loss of confidence of the voters, and obviously, the missus won't be too happy either! I think that we are both "singing from the same hymnsheet" regarding Trump, but to say that nobody cares about his "dalliance" with a pornstar is in my opinion underestimating the effect that such unsavoury behaviour from a President (or anyone in Public Office) can have. (Albeit before he became President - in fact one could say that he purposely withheld that fact from the populace during his election campaign!)No you still don't get it. Clinton was impeached for lying. A lot more consequences than being known to be a cheater. The public already knows "trump" is a sleazeball kitty grabbing abuser so he can't be much more embarrassed for that. The lawyer coverup likely violated some campaign laws. Did "trump" have knowledge? Then he might be in trouble related to that too. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jingthing said: No you still don't get it. Clinton was impeached for lying. A lot more consequences than being known to be a cheater. The public already knows "trump" is a sleazeball kitty grabbing abuser so he can't be much more embarrassed for that. The lawyer coverup likely violated some campaign laws. Did "trump" have knowledge? Then he might be in trouble related to that too. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app YES! I GET IT! But it seems that once again you just want an argument! I have already made my point which you contemptuously ignore and keep repeating "You don't get it". Clinton was impeached for lying - so what is this? :- "Trump has denied he had an affair with Clifford.") Anyway, I stand by my original statement that is to contradict another poster (buaBS) who said:- "Who cares if Trump has had an affair with a pornstar , even while married ?" Edited March 13, 2018 by sambum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 YES! I GET IT! But it seems that once again you just want an argument! I have already made my point which you purposely contemptuously ignore and keep repeating "You don't get it". Clinton was impeached for lying - so what is this? :- "Trump has denied he had an affair with Clifford.") Anyway, I stand by my original statement that is to contradict another poster who said that "nobody cares" Different venues for lying with a different makeup of congress. I won't say you don't get it because that seems to trigger you. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Different venues for lying with a different makeup of congress. I won't say you don't get it because that seems to trigger you. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app They're both lying - Clinton got impeached for it - it doesn't matter one iota to me which venue or which make up of Congress is in situ at the time, but to say that nobody cares about the situation that caused them to lie is being "deliberately obtuse"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 $130,000 You could have a pretty good time, even in Bangkok, with that kinda money. No blonds though, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 23 minutes ago, sambum said: They're both lying - Clinton got impeached for it - it doesn't matter one iota to me which venue or which make up of Congress is in situ at the time, but to say that nobody cares about the situation that caused them to lie is being "deliberately obtuse"! Clinton got in trouble for lying, Trump does this continuously but his supporters don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 This 'Porn Star" and her stories are a nothingburger. Check her tweets and replies. If she is the last straw for the Dems after Mueller is done... well...good night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, alocacoc said: This 'Porn Star" and her stories are a nothingburger. Check her tweets and replies. If she is the last straw for the Dems after Mueller is done... well...good night. Funny. This "nothingburger" cost Trump and/or his lawyer $130K. It would seem to be more of a "somethingburger." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 They're both lying - Clinton got impeached for it - it doesn't matter one iota to me which venue or which make up of Congress is in situ at the time, but to say that nobody cares about the situation that caused them to lie is being "deliberately obtuse"!I never said that. So you don't care which venue. Who are you? The point was there are legal differences in who you lie to. With presidents it's not only legal issues but also political. The current congress won't impeach potus even for heinous treason. Clinton's congress impeached over something minor.You can act like these factors are irrelevant but I prefer to inhabit a more reality based POV. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguyfromanotherforum Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 He should have "dated" Nong Natt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: I never said that. So you don't care which venue. Who are you? The point was there are legal differences in who you lie to. With presidents it's not only legal issues but also political. The current congress won't impeach potus even for heinous treason. Clinton's congress impeached over something minor. You can act like these factors are irrelevant but I prefer to inhabit a more reality based POV. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Do you come on to ThaiVisa and think "Now who can I have an argument with today?" Because "I never said that" doesn't even give a hint as to what you did or didn't say! What it does do is challenge aggressively everything that has been said to you in the thread. "Who are you" ?????? Sounds like a song by Roger Daltrey! Who I am has got nothing to do with this thread, apart from trying to wind me up! "Legal differences in who you lie to" From that point on in your post I have lost interest in anything that you have to say - a lie is a lie - whether it is a Democrat lie or a Republican lie matters to me not a jot, as I am not an American. "Who cares if Trump has had an affair with a pornstar , even while married ?" That is the comment, that I was replying to, and if the President of the United States of America has an affair with a porn star, whether he is a Republican or a Democrat, it is extremely naive to think "Who cares?" I have already given my reasons for thinking that there are a few million Americans who do care, so I have nothing further to say to you on the subject. Goodnight. Edited March 13, 2018 by sambum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sead Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 30 years ago. She took the money to keep quiet and now she wants more.... Some doesnt deserve to live. As that russian agent who revealed hundreds of russian agents and now hes family suffers. <deleted> is it with all theese <deleted> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just waiting for the film... Who will they have for Donald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champers Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Basil B said: Just waiting for the film... Who will they have for Donald? Kevin Spacey? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sirineou Posted March 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) Let's see. Trump says that he never had an affair with Stormy, and did not authorise the payoff. So, what this lawyer did on his own has caused Trump a lot of trouble, so why didn't he fire this lawyer? Then Stormy offers to return the money and all can be back where it was before the money was paid. You would think Trump would say yes please, send the money back, but not to me , I didn't pay that money, not my money, I can not accept money that is not mine, send it back to the person who gave it to you since I never had an affair with you , you have nothing you can incriminate me with. and if you make any baseless accusations that you can't support with evidence I will see you in court. Instead silence! Trump's silence speaks volumes. Edited March 13, 2018 by sirineou 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langsuan Man Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 This whole fiasco once again shows that Trump has another major flaw.......he can't find a decent lawyer...this idiot lawyer brokered a confidential agreement about an affair after Stormy had published an interview in In Touch Weekly in 2011 with all the sordid details. Duh, it's called due diligence The point is not the affair, not the lying, not the agreement, not the notary seal, but violating election laws via a unreported contribution to Trumps campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Off-topic post removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utalkin2me Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 When you assume everything a person says is true and they still look like a manipulative ...., well that just says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 21 hours ago, BuaBS said: Who cares if Trump has had an affair with a pornstar , even while married ? It's just another attack on him because he is president and some folks can't live with that. Very few of us care. I don't care who Trump is bonking. I certainly didn't care when Bill Clinton was getting BJ's from his intern. But there were a whole lot of Christians (i.e., Republicans) who were mortified when Clinton got caught. They seem to be pretty silent with regards to Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Langsuan Man said: This whole fiasco once again shows that Trump has another major flaw.......he can't find a decent lawyer...this idiot lawyer brokered a confidential agreement about an affair after Stormy had published an interview in In Touch Weekly in 2011 with all the sordid details. Duh, it's called due diligence The point is not the affair, not the lying, not the agreement, not the notary seal, but violating election laws via a unreported contribution to Trumps campaign First time I've seen a bit of "rumpy pumpy" (or "schtupping" as another poster calls it) as an unreported contribution to anybody' s campaign!! Does a BJ count as less of a contribution than a full blown (pardon the pun!) affair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langsuan Man Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 17 hours ago, sambum said: Does a BJ count as less of a contribution than a full blown (pardon the pun!) affair? It's about the money, not the act: Quote A nonpartisan watchdog group has filed complaints with both the Department of Justice and Federal Election Commission alleging that the reported payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels, who said she once had an affair with President Donald Trump, arguably violates campaign finance laws and should be subject to an investigation. source:http://fortune.com/2018/01/22/trump-campaign-stormy-daniels-watchdog-group/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambum Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Langsuan Man said: It's about the money, not the act: source:http://fortune.com/2018/01/22/trump-campaign-stormy-daniels-watchdog-group/ My comment was made "tongue in cheek" (and you can take that how you want!) However:- " but violating election laws via a unreported contribution to Trumps campaign" ? So who paid money to Trump's campaign? The way I read it is that a lot of money was paid to a porn star to keep her mouth shut about a fling/dalliance/rumpy pumpy/schtupping with Donald Trump, not the other way round! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silurian Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, sambum said: So who paid money to Trump's campaign? The way I read it is that a lot of money was paid to a porn star to keep her mouth shut about a fling/dalliance/rumpy pumpy/schtupping with Donald Trump, not the other way round! The reason it would be a payment to the campaign as it is a payment for services rendered (or a fee incurred) such as payment to Stormy for keeping her end of a lurid story secret. There is direct benefit to the campaign (Stormy's silence) and as such would be considered a campaign contribution. Plus since the payment was made by a lawyer linked to Donald and the campaign and the lawyer stated he paid by using his own funds, this is now a campaign contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sambum Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 20 hours ago, Silurian said: The reason it would be a payment to the campaign as it is a payment for services rendered (or a fee incurred) such as payment to Stormy for keeping her end of a lurid story secret. There is direct benefit to the campaign (Stormy's silence) and as such would be considered a campaign contribution. Plus since the payment was made by a lawyer linked to Donald and the campaign and the lawyer stated he paid by using his own funds, this is now a campaign contribution. Thanks for the explanation! Would be interesting to know how Trump's lawyer would explain it as "services rendered" if "The Committee" were to query what kind of services! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silurian Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) This has gone to the next level! Stormy Daniels physically threatened by Trump representative, her lawyer says Quote Stormy Daniels' lawyer claims she was physically threatened by someone representing President Trump. The adult film actress' lawyer, Michael Avenatti, said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" Friday that someone representing Mr. Trump physically threatened his client... Here is a link to the MSNBC interview. Stormy Daniels' attorney says his client was threatened physically Edited March 16, 2018 by Silurian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 This Stormy scandal might have legs. Not the sex itself, nobody cares including the hypocritical bible thumpers. But the other stuff ... more to come for sure. Quote Trump won’t be able to buy his way out of trouble this time ... In the end, I predict, Trump isn’t going to be able to stop the porn actress from telling her story, either. Indeed, Trump’s heavy-handed effort to keep Daniels from talking about an affair in which he denies engaging only serves to heighten attention to her account and underscore his desperation to muzzle her. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-wont-be-able-to-buy-his-way-out-of-trouble-this-time/2018/03/15/ddc1959e-2883-11e8-bc72-077aa4dab9ef_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The stupid thing about all this is that, in it's original state, IT DOESN'T MATTER! The DT fans don't care, his evangelical fans are giving him a pass, and overall he probably didn't lose 1 vote on the report of the affair. If the subterfuge of the payoff and the machinations surrounding it don't result in criminal charges then well, it's just another sideshow in The Trump Family Circus, part of the new era of entertainment. Coming next season: the first White House divorce! It culminates with the alien wife and her parents being deported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 58 minutes ago, bendejo said: The stupid thing about all this is that, in it's original state, IT DOESN'T MATTER! The DT fans don't care, his evangelical fans are giving him a pass, and overall he probably didn't lose 1 vote on the report of the affair. If the subterfuge of the payoff and the machinations surrounding it don't result in criminal charges then well, it's just another sideshow in The Trump Family Circus, part of the new era of entertainment. Coming next season: the first White House divorce! It culminates with the alien wife and her parents being deported. True, the loyalists really would be OK with him just shooting random people, as he outrageously bragged about during his vile campaign of trolling. But there actually could be legal consequences to aspects of this story. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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