There is no right or wrong

[bwpage3]

It amazes me how many posters get bashed by other posters when they state they want to leave Thailand and return home.

 

There is no right or wrong answer because you are not in that individuals shoes and really have no clue why he/she is making their decision

 

To make rude and snide remarks is just a sign of pure ignorance, jealousy or maybe both?

 

There isn't one poster on TV that was born thinking, geez, I am going to move to Thailand and live there forever.

 

So everyone has their own reasons and ideas for moving to or leaving Thailand that suit them and just them

 

How many of you when you were 6 years old even knew where Thailand was on the map?

 

Maybe you should pay attention and learn ALL the reasons why for both cases.

 

To bash anyone that does not think the exact same as you, well, you must have some hidden hate or jealousy in there somewhere.

 

To the people that live in Thailand and want to stay till they die good for you.

 

1. Cheaper at some point than living in the west

2. Warmer climates

3. Easy to find a companion no matter hold old or what you look like

4. You have already retired and this is all your pension can afford

5. No place to move back to, no education or job skills

 

To the people that come and experience living in Thailand and move back home

 

1. Realize the third world is not for them

2. Educational opportunities for children is no comparison

3. Family, friends

4. Modern conveniences of the first world

5. Did not burn any bridges and have the education/skills to make more money

6. Corporate incomes possible with 401k matching, bonus, etc.

 

I lived in Thailand for 10 years then returned back to Florida USA, so you can bash me all you want.

 

For those interested in why?

 

1. Wanted kids to get US education

2. Had pretty much seen and done everything in Thailand that interested me 100 times over.

3. Tiring of the water and electric going off for no reason, scams, police checkpoints, etc.

4. Already happily married so no interest in sitting on a barstool spinning yarn

5. Still at an age could go back to USA and move back into corporate America with high paying salary, benefits, insurance etc.

6. Quality of life is just much, much better for the entire family

 

Now when I hit retirement age, would I entertain moving back to Thailand again? 

 

Honestly I would not.

 

No interest in chasing twinkies around

Quality of life much less stressful

No financial problems where I cannot afford to stay in my house

Can play golf in the summer once the snowbirds leave for $15 to $18 a round

The beach is void of tons of plastics and really quite clean

Restaurants with senior pricing can be $4 to $7 a meal

Kids will graduate from US college and get a job and life of their own, be able to visit when they have their own families

Thai wife is extremely happy here and has no desire to go back

Medicaid and VA medical

 

So each to his/her own

 

There is nothing bad about making the best decision for you and your family

 

We all make our own paradise

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HampiK]

You made a few good points. I am not want go back and hope at the moment to stay in Thailand till….

 

But I always told if I would have children I would go back right away because of the education advantages of the children in my Birth-country.

 

BTW, your bashing is not about people who want leave Thailand, I have more the feeling it is about everything, when someone thinks different. You can find this about "Buying a Condo",  "Dual Prices", "need of a yellow book", ….

[torrzent]

12 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

To make rude and snide remarks is just a sign of pure ignorance, jealousy or maybe both?

Isn't that what you just did? 

[Suradit69]

18 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

It amazes me how many posters get bashed by other posters when they state they want to leave Thailand and return home.

It's also amazing how many people feel the need to announce their departure and then justify their reasoning by blaming Thais and Thailand for being Thais and Thailand.

[uffe123]

Been here for over 20 years, when i 1st got here immigration was never a hassle, fees were low, didn't have to do 90 day reporting, and many things have changed for the worse. Paid 35 baht for a kilo of moo etc. The price of food is now basically comparable to the U.S. so no saving there.

So now I can get u.s. citizenship for my Thai son,  and get him in a good school in the u.s. 

Tired of all the hassles, and will be leaving in May. Probably will never come back here to live, just visit.

Edited March 20, 2018 by uffe123

[Justfine]

2 minutes ago, uffe123 said:

Been here for over 20 years, when i 1st got here immigration was never a hassle, fees were low, didn't have to do 90 day reporting, and many things have changed for the worse. Paid 35 baht for a kilo of moo etc. The price of food is basically comparable to the U.S. so no saving there.

So now I can get u.s. citizenship for my Thai son,  and get him in a good school in the u.s. 

Tired of all the hassles, and will be leaving in May. Probably will never come back here to live, just visit.

Fair enough.

[keithpa]

51 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

It's also amazing how many people feel the need to announce their departure and then justify their reasoning by blaming Thais and Thailand for being Thais and Thailand.

Think a bit 69. Tis I who posted , Pulling the plug".And my reason for leaving is because of Thais and Thailand. What other possible reason could a person have? They, we, are leaving because we dont want to live in Thailand anymore, where the Thais are.

[dotpoom]

What amazes me is why anybody would post on the internet that they are returning home. I have to be blunt about it but "who cares". I wouldn't expect anybody to give a rat's ass as to what I do (excepting it affects them).

  It always smacks of having a hugh ego if one thinks it matters to others what they do....let alone posting about it on the internet.

[1FinickyOne]

1 hour ago, uffe123 said:

Been here for over 20 years, when i 1st got here immigration was never a hassle, fees were low, didn't have to do 90 day reporting, and many things have changed for the worse. Paid 35 baht for a kilo of moo etc. The price of food is now basically comparable to the U.S. so no saving there.

So now I can get u.s. citizenship for my Thai son,  and get him in a good school in the u.s. 

Tired of all the hassles, and will be leaving in May. Probably will never come back here to live, just visit.

The price of food is now basically comparable to the U.S. so no saving there.

 

I just had a pretty nice lunch with a friend - 80 baht for both of us... I have not been back in many years but I don't think you can match that... or are you using alternative facts? Not too many places I have ever been stay the same over 20 years.... things change, places change... you and I change too... have a good change of residence. I hope it works out for you... 

[tryasimight]

1 hour ago, keithpa said:

Think a bit 69. Tis I who posted , Pulling the plug".And my reason for leaving is because of Thais and Thailand. What other possible reason could a person have? They, we, are leaving because we dont want to live in Thailand anymore, where the Thais are.

I think you will find Thais in many countries in this day and age..... where are you moving to? 

[rojaron]

Is it really necessary to mention that you would be receiving a high salary in the corporate world?

 

Why are you writing this whole story?,Do you really think anybody cares about you leaving ?,funny these self important people with high salaries in the corporate world,I'm sure you fit right in.

 

 

[tryasimight]

3 minutes ago, rojaron said:

Is it really necessary to mention that you would be receiving a high salary in the corporate world?

 

Why are you writing this whole story?,Do you really think anybody cares about you leaving ?,funny these self important people with high salaries in the corporate world,I'm sure you fit right in.

 

 

I think their reality may be much different to the image they project in their posts. After 10 years in Thailand they may find some difficulty in reentering the corporate world on a high salary. 

10 years older and, unless they have remained involved continuously in similar work, the technology would have advanced well beyond their skill levels. 

[ncc1701d]

While my ideas may change as I get older, I like to travel, so I can’t imagine living somewhere permanently for more than 3 to 4 months at a time. Doesn’t matter where I’m from or what I do. Financially I may not be able to, but that’s the life I’d like.

[NoshowJones]

Brilliant post OP,  everything you say makes sense, but I would not go back to the UK unless I had to, despite downsides like every establishment making up their own rules simply because they love the authority. Give a Thai some authority and they will start making up rules just because they can.

 

Despite that, although I cannot comment on the OPs views about the US,  I still say that the good still outweighs the bad here.

[NoshowJones]

8 hours ago, torrzent said:

Isn't that what you just did? 

I don't think the OP is being jealous or rude, he is only saying things as he sees them. and he does make a fair point right up till he gives his reasons for leaving.

 

8 hours ago, torrzent said:

Isn't that what you just did? 

 

[NoshowJones]

26 minutes ago, rojaron said:

Is it really necessary to mention that you would be receiving a high salary in the corporate world?

 

Why are you writing this whole story?,Do you really think anybody cares about you leaving ?,funny these self important people with high salaries in the corporate world,I'm sure you fit right in.

 

 

Nobody cares what anyone does or does not do or thinks this or that, this is a public forum and it is all about opinions, you either like or don't like what posters say. as long as none of the posters are insulting you or being nasty. just enjoy the forum.

[shy coconut]

I'm not sure too many people get bashed for saying that they're hoping sticks and going home.

Maybe I don't look at the right threads.

 

Most of the bashing I see here are by people slating Thailand and it's peculiarities. 

 

Anyway, good luck to you and your family. 

[Gecko123]

1. Cheaper at some point than living in the west  (Cheaper at some point than living in the west. Period.)

 

2. Warmer climates (Not if you're living in Florida)

 

3. Easy to find a companion no matter hold old or what you look like  (Condescending comment. What will you do if you divorce your wife? Come back to Thailand and look for another? )

 

4. You have already retired and this is all your pension can afford (Condescending comment. When are you going to get it through your thick head that not everyone who retires here is living on a SS check?)

 

5. No place to move back to, no education or job skills (More condescending comments.  Assumes everybody is in the job market.  I have a Master's degree, am a lifelong student, can afford to live in any state in the US)

 

 

To the people that come and experience living in Thailand and move back home

 

1. Realize the third world is not for them  (Thailand is not a third world country. It is a developing country. Hello? How many times has this been pointed out to you?)

 

2. Educational opportunities for children is no comparison

3. Family, friends (Why didn't you include this criteria for people who chose to live in Thailand as well? Or did you mean to say white family and friends?)

4. Modern conveniences of the first world  (Like what? Cable TV, High speed internet? Netflix? Internet banking? Supermarkets with produce from around the world? That's all available to me and I live out in the boonies.)

5. Did not burn any bridges and have the education/skills to make more money  (Bragging alarm starting to ring)

 

6. Corporate incomes possible with 401k matching, bonus, etc. (Bragging alarm getting louder. You forget that a lot of people over here have done the wage slave, 9-5 monkey, 30 years in the trenches of soul destroying mind numbing corporate ass kissing and they would like to enjoy the fruits of their labor without being interrupted by some smug punk who thinks he's got it a-l-l-l-l-l-l figured out.)

 

 

I lived in Thailand for 10 years then returned back to Florida USA, so you can bash me all you want.

For those interested in why?  (This is at least the third time you've started a thread to tell us why. It was interesting the first time. But the third time? Not so much.)

 

1. Wanted kids to get US education (We get it BW. Schools in the West are generally better than in Thailand.)

2. Had pretty much seen and done everything in Thailand that interested me 100 times over.  (Careful. You or your wife might come to feel the same way about Florida in time.)

 

3. Tiring of the water and electric going off for no reason, scams, police checkpoints, etc.  (Let's have some balance here: school shootings, hurricanes, bridge collapses. Better a police checkpoint than getting shot for driving while black or Thai, right? Cops here use a hellava lot less deadly force than the cops in FLA, right?)

 

4. Already happily married so no interest in sitting on a barstool spinning yarn  (Insulting inference that everyone over here whiles away their days sitting on bar stools. Didn't you tell us you spend a lot of time at the local country club? No drinking? No spinning yarns? Seems like you enjoy spinning your fair share of yarns on TVF. )

 

5. Still at an age could go back to USA and move back into corporate America with high paying salary, benefits, insurance etc.  (Bragging alarm is really becoming deafening)

 

6. Quality of life is just much, much better for the entire family  (Very subjective criteria.  Different strokes for different folks, like you said BW. For example, is your wife's social life better in Florida than in Thailand?)

Edited March 20, 2018 by Gecko123

[chaingman]

Travelling around Asia for several months now, mainly Thailand. As it is my first trip i decided to try & hook up with some fellow xpats on TV for advice or music interests, but from reading the knee jerk replies here over those months, i realized some are not long out of grade 10 or the same gang mentality. 

Pity really, but i can understand why the laws & regulations in 1st world countries are so restrictive.. Because the majority have to follow in the path of those most challenged to make it work & it appears some of those challenged individuals are often replying here.

 

As per comments below

i hear crickets all of a sudden..

 

[Kimber]

3 hours ago, uffe123 said:

Been here for over 20 years, when i 1st got here immigration was never a hassle, fees were low, didn't have to do 90 day reporting, and many things have changed for the worse. Paid 35 baht for a kilo of moo etc. The price of food is now basically comparable to the U.S. so no saving there.

So now I can get u.s. citizenship for my Thai son,  and get him in a good school in the u.s. 

Tired of all the hassles, and will be leaving in May. Probably will never come back here to live, just visit.

 

I'm hearing a lot of this from more of my old friends who've been living there over the years. 

[Kimber]

20 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

1. Cheaper at some point than living in the west  (Cheaper at some point than living in the west. Period.)

 

2. Warmer climates (Not if you're living in Florida)

 

3. Easy to find a companion no matter hold old or what you look like  (Condescending comment. What will you do if you divorce your wife? Come back to Thailand and look for another? )

 

4. You have already retired and this is all your pension can afford (Condescending comment. When are you going to get it through your thick head that not everyone who retires here is living on a SS check?)

 

5. No place to move back to, no education or job skills (More condescending comments.  Assumes everybody is in the job market.  I have a Master's degree, am a lifelong student, can afford to live in any state in the US)

 

 

To the people that come and experience living in Thailand and move back home

 

1. Realize the third world is not for them  (Thailand is not a third world country. It is a developing country. Hello? How many times has this been pointed out to you?)

 

2. Educational opportunities for children is no comparison

3. Family, friends (Why didn't you include this criteria for people who chose to live in Thailand as well? Or did you mean to say white family and friends?)

4. Modern conveniences of the first world  (Like what? Cable TV, High speed internet? Netflix? Internet banking? Supermarkets with produce from around the world? That's all available to me and I live out in the boonies.)

5. Did not burn any bridges and have the education/skills to make more money  (Bragging alarm starting to ring)

 

6. Corporate incomes possible with 401k matching, bonus, etc. (Bragging alarm getting louder. You forget that a lot of people over here have done the wage slave, 9-5 monkey, 30 years in the trenches of soul destroying mind numbing corporate ass kissing and they would like to enjoy the fruits of their labor without being interrupted by some smug punk who thinks he's got it a-l-l-l-l-l-l figured out.)

 

 

I lived in Thailand for 10 years then returned back to Florida USA, so you can bash me all you want.

For those interested in why?  (This is at least the third time you've started a thread to tell us why. It was interesting the first time. But the third time? Not so much.)

 

1. Wanted kids to get US education (We get it BW. Schools in the West are generally better than in Thailand.)

2. Had pretty much seen and done everything in Thailand that interested me 100 times over.  (Careful. You or your wife might come to feel the same way about Florida in time.)

 

3. Tiring of the water and electric going off for no reason, scams, police checkpoints, etc.  (Let's have some balance here: school shootings, hurricanes, bridge collapses. Better a police checkpoint than getting shot for driving while black or Thai, right? Cops here use a hellava lot less deadly force than the cops in FLA, right?)

 

4. Already happily married so no interest in sitting on a barstool spinning yarn  (Insulting inference that everyone over here whiles away their days sitting on bar stools. Didn't you tell us you spend a lot of time at the local country club? No drinking? No spinning yarns? Seems like you enjoy spinning your fair share of yarns on TVF. )

 

5. Still at an age could go back to USA and move back into corporate America with high paying salary, benefits, insurance etc.  (Bragging alarm is really becoming deafening)

 

6. Quality of life is just much, much better for the entire family  (Very subjective criteria.  Different strokes for different folks, like you said BW. For example, is your wife's social life better in Florida than in Thailand?)

 

Why do I get the impression that you're not all a happy individual ? 

[DJ54]

I like the post and think it’s good  fair information ..... the forum is

a way to learn different ideas keeping an open mind. 

 

Poster missed one thing ...... Florida and Thailand weather similar 

in the summer. Hot and Muggy! Only visited my parents in winter months of Florida. I was born as fad south as you can go in Florida

[TKDfella]

Well, the first thing I noticed in the OP was the amount insults thrown wildly at others on the forum.

'It amazes me how many posters get bashed by other posters when they state they want to leave Thailand and return home.'

In the context I see it reasonable to assume that this means 'a lot', 'many', 'more than a few' and so on. As it is the main article on the thread, that lays the responsibility for clarity and accuracy at the OP, bwpage3. Have you researched this through the various threads on TV? Do actually know what the % is? If you haven't and you don't know then you should not have thrown accusations around at all.

As I have written myself on such threads that expats come here for a variety of reasons and those that leave also have a variety of reasons. It is all down to the individual and none of us are the same. I cannot understand why you, bwpage3, want to make an issue of it. Do your research...it's your topic so give it a foundation since you are implying numbers...then base your comments on what you find and what implications you consider are there.

Yes, sometimes forum members are a bit 'hard' with their replies, on others but if it is their opinion this forum gives them the right to say. Freedom of speech eh?

[Gecko123]

3 hours ago, uffe123 said:

Been here for over 20 years, when i 1st got here immigration was never a hassle, fees were low, didn't have to do 90 day reporting, and many things have changed for the worse. Paid 35 baht for a kilo of moo etc. The price of food is now basically comparable to the U.S. so no saving there.

So now I can get u.s. citizenship for my Thai son,  and get him in a good school in the u.s. 

Tired of all the hassles, and will be leaving in May. Probably will never come back here to live, just visit.

Retirement visa has been the same price for at least the past 15 years; 1900 baht per year. Immigration has opened up regional offices all over the place making it easier to apply for visas, 90 day reporting can be done by mail, on line in many cases. In 2003 (15 years ago) pork was 80 baht/kilo; (not sure about 20 years ago price.)  Food prices worldwide - not limited to Thailand - shot up because of oil and grain prices in 2005-2008 and have remained stable pretty much ever since. Average price for pork today in Thailand is 120/kilo. At 34 baht/$ that works out to $3.53/kilo or $1.58 per pound. On-line, Safeway is currently advertising pork loin chops for $2.99/lb, (89% more expensive than the current price in Thailand.)

[Gecko123]

23 minutes ago, Kimber said:

Why do I get the impression that you're not all a happy individual ? 

Note to self: use more smiley face emogis.

Edited March 20, 2018 by Gecko123

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, Justfine said:

So your claim was false.

Lol

 

why not hey?

 

how about because the OP was insinuating (or directly stating) that those who wish to stay are chasing tail, unemployable, no education, no job skills and poor.

 

and then there’s the arrogance involved, to make those comments ( my favorite is the intimation that some can only get a companion if they live here) 

 

but hey.... really? Why bother with a post like this... how many expats actually hang <deleted> on those that leave?

 

sure, I’ve seen comments suggesting that posters who no longer live here, should butt out, but you can’t really help that.... and I note that some of the more “popular” posters are ex expats.

 

so what point other than to jabber at the forum?.... none of note

 

 

 

[connda]

What about people who transit back and forth spending some time in their home country and some time in Thailand.  Each to their own.  Don't think too much about it Op.  It's nobody' business what a individual choses to do.  Last time I checked, flights in Thailand go both ways.  Maybe it becomes an issue for farangs that have been 'in-country' too long and over time develop "face" that they can lose.  I've met that type.  However,  most long-termers I've met wouldn't care what anyone thinks.  I've been here over a decade.  Leaving the country is always my 'Plan B.'  Would I end up back in the Homeland?  Maybe.  Maybe not. 

[farcanell]

1 hour ago, ScotBkk said:

Not in my Books he never. I've been telling the whingers on here for many a year Thailand isn't the be and end of it all. The immense crap one has to endure with visas is a real headache besides dodgy medicals that cost an arm and a leg - (That also happens lol). There are many downsides although it is a nice country I must admit. However, getting a women in other countries is just as easy although Thai women would marry a Cyclops for the duration of his funds. Its nice to meet other European women for instance who don't expect you to support her, family as the Hansum cash cow.

Why should one live frugally in order to ensure you have a set amount of funds for all and sundry. Its Pathetic if you ask me. I only come to Thailand 2 months a year now and hump all the girls I fancy then vanish into the distance. Anyway, don't want to get to carried away but think you get the picture...........

Yes yes yes.... but...but...but... this is not what the OP was on about... 

 

“It amazes me how many posters get bashed by other posters when they state they want to leave Thailand and return home.” (OPs opening line)

[mettech]

Like they say ( you could bring a farmer to the city but you can not take the farm out  of a farmer) Same with all of us regardless where we come from some time you get the home sick feeling.

[shackleton]

Life is full of choices 

I  retired to Thailand in 2013 and have never looked back

remain positive  not one for sitting in bars but enjoy a drink when out for a meal with the family

Never say Never  as to returning to ones Country of birth as one does not know what the future holds