The PM is not a civilian by any means and this government is a military one just like any government other than this one and being ruled by Army principal. 

The civilian elected to run a democratic country were displaced and on the run, who can blame them?? if they stay and fight the ruler there is no other issue than going to prison.

So my best guess Japan and other do not mind talking with the exes PM.

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On 4/4/2018 at 9:19 AM, ginjag said:

No way--your OTT about freedom is stupid and way off,   I live here and no where in everyday life do people speak about they are gagged ridiculous propaganda,    Democracy is needed for sure and good parties to fight for governing.

You are not telling about the Shins total control of the Thai Rak news and TV control, or red shirt villages with village leaders paid off.  I lived in one.    why not weigh up the pros and cons and not fall back on the old --"Well the shins were elected"  It is good governance not Thai democracy ---whether Junta or Thaksin family.......Get rid od Military control and mafia style governing---OK  OK

"No way--your OTT about freedom is stupid and way off,   I live here and no where in everyday life do people speak about they are gagged ridiculous propaganda,"

Really? So all those people who have been carted-off for "attitude adjustment" are just a figment of my imagination? 

In any case this is Thailand and there is nothing we farang could do or say that could be of an insult to the Kingdom so who ever will or will not run the country it is not up to us to even think of doing any changes.

On 4/4/2018 at 6:51 PM, Skeptic7 said:

Thailand is at the top (or very close to it) in successful coups of the modern era. That said...I am NOT a fan or in favor of the current Junta. I agree with most of your above post and about Prayuth.

 

However, the topic is whether the Shins should be ashamed. The answer is a resounding YES. 

 

Also, I worked with around 70 affluent, well educated Thais back then...Thaksin PM reign...before and after. 90% of them did not support Thaksin...nor did they support the ensuing "Red Shirts". They were solid "Yellow Shirts". 

 

Of course they were. They were 'affluent' elites and no one would expect differently. I am talking about 'ordinary Thais' but go ask some?  it's not to say things were great back then but better than NOW (for them).

7 hours ago, Dap said:

"No way--your OTT about freedom is stupid and way off,   I live here and no where in everyday life do people speak about they are gagged ridiculous propaganda,"

Really? So all those people who have been carted-off for "attitude adjustment" are just a figment of my imagination? 

I already posted three links to try and educate ginjag but it's a hopeless cause and not worth the effort.

Isn't taking control of a country, by force , breaking the law?

 

Wasn't the law conveniently altered to mask the malversation!

 

Expensive watches and rings!

 

Propaganda....Brain washing...

 

 

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed".

 

And we all know who quoted the above statement!

 

 

 

 

On 03/04/2018 at 5:46 PM, AGareth2 said:

and a coup is not breaking the law?

Of course not!!!!!!!

On 4/4/2018 at 9:30 AM, ginjag said:

No difference much in any rulers here, but I am not forgetting the bad under Thaksin, or the slow effort under the Army control.   All the governing in  the past few years have been suppressing the people ---only a short period under the democrats was there any glimmer of hope here.

Ahhhh, the ray of sunshine that was Abhisit's government of 2008-2011. Corruption spiked as the "friends of Newin" cashed in on their new found positions in government thanks to military coercion whilst Suthep cashed in by pilfering from the new police station budget, the constitution was altered to be less democratic and of course it all culminated on 100 Thais being shot dead in the streets by the army as the cowardly Abhisit failed to control his own bloodthirsty military.

 

And the Thai peoples verdict on this blissful period.....answered in devastating fashion with another PTP landslide election win.

 

 

 

 

Ashamed, maybe they should be ashamed....but that may be an emotion that would suit more than the Shinawatra siblings. 

On 4/7/2018 at 9:19 AM, pornprong said:

Ahhhh, the ray of sunshine that was Abhisit's government of 2008-2011. Corruption spiked as the "friends of Newin" cashed in on their new found positions in government thanks to military coercion whilst Suthep cashed in by pilfering from the new police station budget, the constitution was altered to be less democratic and of course it all culminated on 100 Thais being shot dead in the streets by the army as the cowardly Abhisit failed to control his own bloodthirsty military.

 

And the Thai peoples verdict on this blissful period.....answered in devastating fashion with another PTP landslide election win.

 

 

 

 

Abhisit wasn't in long enough in a system that was foul everywhere. IMO, the only real politician in this mob. 

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58 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Abhisit wasn't in long enough in a system that was foul everywhere. IMO, the only real politician in this mob. 

He was in long enough to let the military kill 100 citizens.

On 4/3/2018 at 5:53 PM, Samui Bodoh said:

Hmm...

 

You broke the law and go on TV every week.

 

What's the difference?

 

And also delaying the election indefinitely.

The PM shamelessly pushes for coal-fired power stations in Krabi and other southern provinces. The environmental damage from these will be irreparable, whereas Shinawatra 'crimes' are merely yesterday's ablutions.

Money is recoverable. Every act of environmental damage pushes the world closer to the abyss. 

The PM shamelessly gags public protests and media discussion on his agenda. 

On 03/04/2018 at 7:13 PM, tropo said:

All of them, then he replaced them all with his own laws.

 

The only difference between him and the other law-breakers is that he had tanks under his control.

All of them.

Great answer

On 4/3/2018 at 5:55 PM, Thian said:

Which law did he break?

Treason for starters

8 hours ago, Expatthailover said:

On 4/3/2018 at 6:13 PM, tropo said:

All of them, then he replaced them all with his own laws.

 

The only difference between him and the other law-breakers is that he had tanks under his control.

All of them.

Great answer

I suppose, strictly speaking, he is above the law. "Dictatorship" is what it really is, but people have been scared to say it clear. With 5 years under his belt by the time an election is likely to happen, he's mastered a very soft transition to this form of government. I don't think it's because he's particularly brilliant but because he's had a lot of luck on his side. Some of that luck was the inept former government that was basically a pushover.

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On 5/4/2561 at 1:18 PM, Baerboxer said:

 

Pioneered by the Shins, refined by the Junta. And neither remotely interested in democracy!

 

But you probably think the red shirt democracy camps were actually about democracy too!

 

"But you probably think the red shirt democracy camps were actually about democracy too!"

 

Well said, three times, yaah!!!

 

 

 

On 5/4/2561 at 5:47 PM, Father Fintan Stack said:

He was a necessary evil for the Thai Rak Thai party. Almost the entire cabinet hated Purachai. 

 

No surprise you have no idea of the nuances of the politics of the time, you demonstrate your dissonance with Thai politics continuously here and it must disappoint you to learn that the nightlife crackdowns were not Thaksin's idea.

 

So your saying that thaksin was unable to control purachai. Interesting comment.

 

 

 

 

 
So your saying that thaksin was unable to control purachai. Interesting comment.
 
 
 
 

That is not what he claimed....

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It's a joke t????

So what about PM? Is he ashamed? He overthrew a legally elected government. He forgot that? He is a law breaker too if he accused Shinawatra. 

Better to have a legal govt than a junta.....? 

On 4/3/2018 at 5:55 PM, Thian said:

Which law did he break?

Treason 

On 4/17/2018 at 11:39 AM, Expatthailover said:

All of them.

Great answer

There is only one law in Thailand that has any real power. that is section 44 that overrules every other law with the stroke of his pen. So all of them is a suitable answer. 

On 4/3/2018 at 7:27 PM, BEVUP said:

Wasn't he the one trying to get interpol & cooperative countries to arrest them

I guess if seen in public they may have a good chance of catching them

Interpol has no arrest powers. So, really they are nothing to fear. All they can do is alert local authorities.  Thailand isn't a big enough fish to go through all that trouble for. 

 Few countries will permit anyone but its own officers to exercise any police powers in their country. Foreigners can ask another country's police to arrest someone or interview a witness, but the host country can tell the requestor to pound sand, too. Interpol helps grease the skids, ensuring that the request won't ruffle any feathers and that proper protocol is followed. It's an association with no officers or powers of its own. There are no international cops. When a cop leaves his home country, he becomes a private citizen.

Interpol looks good in the movies but in reality, they are "All hat and no cattle".

To be honest, ALL politicians should be ashamed of themselves for the games they play!

Don't see why, neither of them committed treason and the charges you thought you pressed don't impress any country enough to extradite them back. Perhaps it's you that should feel ashamed.

I know I'm late but good goin' kids.

...ignorance, arrogance is bliss