Nationwide U.S. protests planned if Trump fires Mueller or Rosenstein

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth with this ongoing never ending investigation/witch hunt, for god sake either do something or drop it

 

2 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

America land of protests. Trump supporters should protest all these investigations are taking to long. May be because they are just red herrings.

 

1 hour ago, jimmyyy said:

i know because they can't keep secrets, its impossible it would have leaked and the probe would have been closed by now.  It only discredits the DOJ by continuing this effort which has produced zero evidence that trump colluded with Putin or any Russians during the election.  Which is what Mueller's mandate is.  His only mandate mind you. 

The Whitewater investigation during the Clinton administration began as an investigation of a real estate deal, but the head of the investigation, Kenneth Starr, was given unlimited time and funds to find anything against the Clintons that he could.  All he came up with was the President lying about a BJ.

 

Hillary Clinton has been investigated many times; every time the investigations came up empty, every time the Republican response was a call to do the investigation over again.

 

I suspect none of objected to any of this.

 

1 hour ago, jimmyyy said:

no, they only did this to scare his attorney and by doing so broke 2 statues of the bill of rights.  Either way, its fruitless and no just a drain on resources better spent on prosecuting the real criminals.  Just my view point on it.  I am sure others with have different opinions which is fine.

Mueller knows that searching a lawyers records without clear evidence of criminal activity would be the end of his investigation.  He believed the evidence was strong enough to justify the search warrant.  A federal judge agreed.

 

14 minutes ago, dorchester said:

This Russian investigation is looking like the Extraordinary chambers of Cambodia and the never ending trial for the Khmer Rouge.The only time it stops is when they run out of money.Then the international begging bowl is produced

 

Good analogy, nobody ever doubted the guilt of the Khmer Rouge, the UN just wanted the trial done in accordance with accepted standards of law. 

 

Don't worry, the Mueller probe won't take as long and it won't run out of money.

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

When verbally attacked stay as silent as possible. Why? Because your silence can be read as weakness which can lull your opponent in to making mistakes like raiding the home and office of the President's lawyer. There are myriad moderate voters whose vote could be swayed Right because of Muller's error. God help the Dems' if the US economy soars.

Are you seriously suggesting that Trump has remained silent about the investigation?

[pedro01]

1 hour ago, attrayant said:

 

Please stop lying, or perhaps you aren't lying and are just woefully uninformed, in which case here's Mueller's appointment letter:
 

 

I'd like you to highlight the part where it says what his "only mandate" is, or any language that explicitly limits Mueller or puts up boundaries as to what he can and can't investigate.

 

 

So James Comey authorized a witch-hunt and that makes it OK?

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

I was not speaking literally. Why hasn't he fired Muller?

 

IMHO, the Dems' are going to suffer the consequences of being overconfident.

 

The Moderate voter is the key.

Why hasn't he fired Mueller?  Because past history has shown, and his Republican allies have confirmed, that firing Mueller could end his presidency.  He's already taken actions that may result in Obstruction of Justice charges, firing Mueller will push him over the edge.

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

 

So James Comey authorized a witch-hunt and that makes it OK?

"So James Comey authorized a witch-hunt..."

 

No.

 

"...and that makes it OK?"

 

Investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign, with a remit to follow up on other crimes (such as Russian hacking and propaganda with the intent to discredit democratic elections and create divisions in society) is much more than OK, it is a necessity.

[cantata]

1 hour ago, hyku1147 said:

I was not speaking literally. Why hasn't he fired Muller?

 

IMHO, the Dems' are going to suffer the consequences of being overconfident.

 

The Moderate voter is the key.

You weren't even speaking truthfully.

[attrayant]

7 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

What actions has trump taken?

 

Trump firing Comey because of, in Trump's own words, "this Russia thing".

[heybruce]

21 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

So, there are pending obstruction of justice charges because The President fired Comey?

Quite possibly.  There will certainly be obstruction of justice charges if Trump fires Comey or Rosenstein.

 

Obstruction of justice is a relatively easy crime to prove.  Any action taken to obstruct the course of a criminal investigation is obstruction of justice.  If Trump fires Mueller it's difficult to see how it could be anything else.

 

Trump's best course of action is to keep quiet, stop tweeting, and let the investigation run its course.  If he's innocent, why would he do anything else?

Edited April 12, 2018 by heybruce

[bristolboy]

33 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

So, there are pending obstruction of justice charges because The President fired Comey?

Obstructing justice does not necessarily consist of just one act. It could be a whole string of acts each of which by itself might not be enough to consider as obstructing justice, but taken together, are.

[attrayant]

43 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

So, there are pending obstruction of justice charges because The President fired Comey?

 

You're asking some very basic questions, which would be easily answered if you had just been paying attention lately.  For the moment, I am going to be charitable and assume you really do lack the basic understanding of current events and that you aren't just trolling us.

 

We are still in the investigation phase.  Even when completed, there may be no formal charges filed because the constitution is not clear on whether or not a sitting president can be charged with a crime.  At the very least there will be a report containing the investigation's findings, about which Trump himself has said he:

 

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supports a full investigation into Russian interference in the U.S. election last year, saying he wants the probe to be done "absolutely properly."

 

But this is clearly about more than just Trump.  Many other players may have been involved.  Let the investigation take its course and root out as much malfeasance as it finds, regardless of which political party it finds it in.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 12, 2018 by attrayant

[Expatthailover]

Got to hand it to trump.

Suggesting it is muellers investigation that has caused the bad blood between usa and russia currently being played out in syria.

The man is utterly devoid of shame, dignity, compassion and honesty.

A disgrace that the free world has to look to this mega flawed individual for leadership.

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, starky said:

I believe it could only be classed as a " witch hunt" if Trump really had nothing to hide. Personally the orange one doth protest too much methinks. 

 

But it's certainly politically motivated. And what of the "witch hunts" that were conducted into that old witch Clinton? All conveniently swept under the carpet. Great when your sexual predator lying husband can meet with the Attorney General on airport tarmac and remind her who her 'friends" are 

 

How sad for the vast majority of very decent Americans to be saddles with this lot.

[bristolboy]

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

But it's certainly politically motivated. And what of the "witch hunts" that were conducted into that old witch Clinton? All conveniently swept under the carpet. Great when your sexual predator lying husband can meet with the Attorney General on airport tarmac and remind her who her 'friends" are 

 

How sad for the vast majority of very decent Americans to be saddles with this lot.

Lots of unsupported allegations here from someone claiming the Trump investigation is politically motivated. You're not doing your cause any favors with this kind of fact-free posting.  

[kamahele]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth with this ongoing never ending investigation/witch hunt, for god sake either do something or drop it

Nope. It is an ongoing methodical investigation in which multiple people have already been charged and some have plead guilty.

[kamahele]

Even Trump's must ardent supporters on Capitol Hill won't put up with the attempted firing of Mueller, one of them calling it "suicide" yesterday

[starky]

33 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

But it's certainly politically motivated. And what of the "witch hunts" that were conducted into that old witch Clinton? All conveniently swept under the carpet. Great when your sexual predator lying husband can meet with the Attorney General on airport tarmac and remind her who her 'friends" are 

 

How sad for the vast majority of very decent Americans to be saddles with this lot.

Good example. Thanks and what happened to bill exactly... Oh yeah that's right.

[heybruce]

44 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

But it's certainly politically motivated. And what of the "witch hunts" that were conducted into that old witch Clinton? All conveniently swept under the carpet. Great when your sexual predator lying husband can meet with the Attorney General on airport tarmac and remind her who her 'friends" are 

 

How sad for the vast majority of very decent Americans to be saddles with this lot.

The Clinton investigations were carried to the very end, even when it took years.  With the exception of Bill lying about a BJ, nothing was ever found. 

 

The Trump investigation was initiated because all the US intelligence agencies agreed that Russia interfered in the 2016 US Presidential election, and Trump fired the FBI chief investigating it.  That is arguably political, but that would be politics at its best.

 

Do you really want to bring the subject of President's who are sexual predators into this discussion?

Edited April 12, 2018 by heybruce

[attrayant]

44 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

But it's certainly politically motivated.

 

Here's an org chart of the investigation and its leadership.  Looking at that, explain how it's "politically motivated".

 

[LawrenceN]

5 hours ago, jimmyyy said:

no, they only did this to scare his attorney and by doing so broke 2 statues of the bill of rights.  Either way, its fruitless and no just a drain on resources better spent on prosecuting the real criminals.  Just my view point on it.  I am sure others with have different opinions which is fine.

Oh no! They "broke 2 statues"!

[Jonnapat]

7 hours ago, smedly said:

Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth with this ongoing never ending investigation/witch hunt, for god sake either do something or drop it

Drop it? Are you kidding?

[darksidedog]

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[dunroaming]

9 hours ago, smedly said:

Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth with this ongoing never ending investigation/witch hunt, for god sake either do something or drop it

As long as they nail the moron I will put up with the time it is taking.

[FitnessHealthTravel]

As if American doesn't have anything else to worry about.  This whole Russian thing has been going on way too long. If they can't prove anything already there has to be some time line on this rubbish.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, FitnessHealthTravel said:

As if American doesn't have anything else to worry about.  This whole Russian thing has been going on way too long. If they can't prove anything already there has to be some time line on this rubbish.

They have proved something; 19 indictments, multiple guilty please and a conviction in the bag.

 

 

[Jingthing]

42 minutes ago, FitnessHealthTravel said:

As if American doesn't have anything else to worry about.  This whole Russian thing has been going on way too long. If they can't prove anything already there has to be some time line on this rubbish.

The timeline is when the job is done OR when "trump" fires Sessions / Rosenstein / Mueller which would be presidential suicide. He's obviously extremely guilty or he wouldn't even be threatening such drastic measures. His presidency is already trashed. For the good of the country, he should resign now. Of course, he won't. He has no concern for the good of the country. 

[pedro01]

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

"So James Comey authorized a witch-hunt..."

 

No.

 

"...and that makes it OK?"

 

Investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign, with a remit to follow up on other crimes (such as Russian hacking and propaganda with the intent to discredit democratic elections and create divisions in society) is much more than OK, it is a necessity.

 

It's not actually.

 

What you are describing is a witch hunt - starting off with a "theory" that one crime existing and then digging until you eventually find another crime.

 

That is the definition of a witch hunt but more importantly it's not going to get a conviction.

 

 

[alocacoc]

Conservatives should demonstrate to finish this weird investigation. It's only waste of tax-money and they'll find nothing against Trump. What a farce. The raid of Cohen's office was useless as well. Dems tried everything. Nothing was too ugly for them. Outcome: 0.000

 

All this shows only the real character of the Dems. Ugly af.

Edited April 12, 2018 by alocacoc

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, alocacoc said:

Conservatives should demonstrate to finish this weird investigation. It's only waste of tax-money and they'll find nothing against Trump. What a farce. The raid of Cohen's office was useless as well. Dems tried everything. Nothing was too ugly for them. Outcome: 0.000

 

All this shows only the real character of the Dems. Ugly af.

Outcome: 0.000.

That is incorrect.

Basically makes your entire post NULL and void.

It's interesting the "trump" supporter tactic seems to be to push alternative realities. Bizarre and dangerous. We're headed towards fascism if that POV prevails. Happily, enough Americans get that and the vast majority support the continuation of Mueller's work.

 

[Luckysilk]

I find it interesting almost every thread the left follow the same tactic and they think they've won the argument.

1. Resort to name calling the President and supporters 
2. Accusations of being something terrible, not decent Americans etc
3. I shouldn't have to "educate" you
4. Proceed to claim there is no point in explaining because your type won't get it anyway

5. Pretending they have higher moral ground

6. Pack mentality of bullying 
7. Block opposing views

 

In terms of a protest not going to happen - live with it.
 

[smedly]

8 hours ago, Jonnapat said:

Drop it? Are you kidding?

well maybe if they keep digging they might find that Trump was using the wrong brand of toothpaste

 

The whole thing is ridiculous and makes a mockery of the US justice system

 

Trump won the election.............(deleted) over it

 

Just like the people in the UK voted to leave the EU..............(deleted) get over it

 

 

If anything it shows just where the real power is and it is being resisted

 

The whiter than White FBI is severely stained - the powerful greedy and corrupt are being defeated and exposed across the world and long may it continue.

 

Trump might not be the most political astute person on the planet but at least he is taking them on, China has been the biggest trade abuser/manipulator  these last 30 years and the only reason they have gotten away with it is because the corrupt and powerful are bought in

 

There have been bent dirty games being played across the globe - time to straighten it out

 

we have muslims invading the west............show me where that has ended well, right across the west we have clerics preaching that western values/laws are destroying islam.............if you don't fit into western societies then go back to your country of origin and sort it out between yourselves