Trump tries to defuse immigrant crisis, but policy hit by confusion

[Becker]

1 hour ago, FreddieRoyle said:

Time has scored a huge own goal here. Dishonest media trying to peddle lies? Well it seems:-

 

1)The mother and daughter were never separated - at any point.

 

2)The mother kidnapped the daughter from the father - who in in employment back home and not fearful for his life.

 

3)The mother was deported from the US back in 2013

 

4)They were not escaping violence.

 

5)The mother payed a people smuggler up to $6,000 for the trip.

 

Oh dear!

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/22/the-crying-honduran-girl-on-the-cover-of-time-was-not-separated-from-her-mother-father-says/?utm_term=.34749a70ac54

And so? That cover is an illustration of a very real problem that exists partly because of the Swamp King's astoundingly inept handling of the whole issue.

Here's an insider tip for you; if Time has an illustration of Santa Clause on their cover it doesn't mean they think he exists.

Sorry if I have shattered your illusions.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

 

Those "bigoted sub-humans" being a big big majority of Americans:

 

Polls: Trump’s family separation policy is very unpopular — except among Republicans

"Two new polls find that the US government policy of separating children from their parents at the Mexican border is very unpopular with the general public, but retains majority support among Republicans.

Sixty-six percent of voters — including 91 percent of Democrats and 68 percent of independents — told Quinnipiac they opposed the policy. Whites with college degrees were likelier than non-college whites to oppose the policy, and young people of all races were likelier to oppose it than old people."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17475740/family-separation-poll-polling-border-trump-children-immigrant-families-parents

 

Why do you hate Americans so much?

 Many of Thousands  of families are and have faced permanent separation .Why isn't the media and the deranged PT haters reporting the many thousands of deaths that are committed by illegals onto Americans. Where are the polls!

[mtls2005]

24 minutes ago, Becker said:

Sorry if I have shattered your illusions.

 There's no Santa?

 

So is it still OK to say "Merry Christmas", again?

 

 

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

 Many of Thousands  of families are and have faced permanent separation .Why isn't the media and the deranged PT haters reporting the many thousands of deaths that are committed by illegals onto Americans. 

First off, I see you're not defending your label of most americans as "bigoted sub-humans."

 

:"Many thousands of deaths?

Really? You got a source for that?

One that doesn't come from Macedonia? In fact, undocumented immigrants have a much lower crime rate than is the average in America.

Two charts demolish the notion that immigrants here illegally commit more crime

But the social-science research on immigration and crime is clear: Undocumented immigrants are considerably less likely to commit crime than native-born citizens, with immigrants legally in the United States even less likely to do so. A number of studies published in the past several months clearly illustrate the consensus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.c3a6bb73ac7c

[Becker]

4 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 There's no Santa?

 

So is it still OK to say "Merry Christmas", again?

 

 

Not in June!

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

Time has scored a huge own goal here. Dishonest media trying to peddle lies? Well it seems:-

 

1)The mother and daughter were never separated - at any point.

 

2)The mother kidnapped the daughter from the father - who in in employment back home and not fearful for his life.

 

3)The mother was deported from the US back in 2013

 

4)They were not escaping violence.

 

5)The mother payed a people smuggler up to $6,000 for the trip.

 

Oh dear!

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/22/the-crying-honduran-girl-on-the-cover-of-time-was-not-separated-from-her-mother-father-says/?utm_term=.34749a70ac54

That's not the point, you genius. Maybe that one little girl was not separated from her mother, but the fact remains that more than 2,000 children have been taken away from their parents. That is beyond despicable. And all the while Trump kept blaming the Democrats and insisting he couldn't do anything about it. Hope you sleep well and keep your children close if you have any, because it seems to me that both you and Trump don't care about any of that.

[riclag]

37 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

First off, I see you're not defending your label of most americans as "bigoted sub-humans."

 

:"Many thousands of deaths?

Really? You got a source for that?

One that doesn't come from Macedonia? In fact, undocumented immigrants have a much lower crime rate than is the average in America.

Two charts demolish the notion that immigrants here illegally commit more crime

But the social-science research on immigration and crime is clear: Undocumented immigrants are considerably less likely to commit crime than native-born citizens, with immigrants legally in the United States even less likely to do so. A number of studies published in the past several months clearly illustrate the consensus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.c3a6bb73ac7c

Deaths that could have been prevented if the Congress and the Executive Branch  would have secured our border and enforced existing U.S. immigration laws.

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

Many of Thousands  of families are and have faced permanent separation .Why isn't the media and the deranged PT haters reporting the many thousands of deaths that are committed by illegals onto Americans. 

[Becker]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

Deaths that could have been prevented if the Congress and the Executive Branch  would have secured our border and enforced existing U.S. immigration laws.

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

Many of Thousands  of families are and have faced permanent separation .Why isn't the media and the deranged PT haters reporting the many thousands of deaths that are committed by illegals onto Americans. 

Because we're sub-human?

[canthai55]

2300 just in the last few weeks - as per the OP

Wonder what the total is - as if we will ever know

[riclag]

1 minute ago, Becker said:

Because we're sub-human?

I never said your sub human .  I never post name  calling for individuals on this forum. Never! Especially since it is against the TVF rules to call someone or attack someone with names.

[Becker]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

What I learned today is the  deranged left are refusing to recognize Permanent Separation. Sick ,I think  the Independent voters can see through the total melt down of these Bigoted sub human's that refuse to denounce these criminals coming in to America, illegally . 

 

1 minute ago, riclag said:

I never said your sub human .  I never post name  calling for individuals on this forum. Never! Especially since it is against the TVF rules to call someone or attack someone with names.

So you're labeling a group as sub-human but not individuals. Have I got that right? And does that make it better?

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, Becker said:

 

So you're labeling a group as sub-human but not individuals. Have I got that right? And does that make it better?

You must realize I wasn't even commenting to you, right Post #27. groups are not off limits here, individuals are. Example -When people call Trump supporters pedophiles,Nazi's,racist.morons,retarded sick people is one thing but to say I am, that is forbidden,by TV rules.

[Opl]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 Many of Thousands  of families are and have faced permanent separation .Why isn't the media and the deranged PT haters reporting the many thousands of deaths that are committed by illegals onto Americans. Where are the polls!

You're so right, the NRA has never claimed responsibility

[Becker]

8 minutes ago, riclag said:

You must realize I wasn't even commenting to you, right Post #27. groups are not off limits here, individuals are. Example -When people call Trump supporters pedophiles,Nazi's,racist.morons,retarded sick people is one thing but to say I am, that is forbidden,by TV rules.

"....these Bigoted sub human's that refuse to denounce these criminals coming in to America, illegally . "

 

So how often does one have to denounce illegal immigrants not to be sub-human in your eyes? And doesn't the fact that I never see you denounce p***y grabbers and draft dodgers make you yourself sub-human? They are, after all, criminals.

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, Opl said:

You're so right, the NRA has never claimed responsibility

We are talking about this thread, (immigrant crisis)

[mtls2005]

When will the 'Space Force' draft their plans for detention facilities in space?

 

Exclusive: Navy Document Shows Plan to Erect 'Austere' Detention Camps

 

The U.S. Navy is preparing plans to construct sprawling detention centers for tens of thousands of immigrants on remote bases in California, Alabama and Arizona, escalating the military’s task in implementing President Donald Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy for people caught crossing the Southern border, according to a copy of a draft memo obtained by TIME.

 

The internal document, drafted for the Navy Secretary’s approval, signals how the military is anticipating its role in Trump’s immigration crackdown. The planning document indicates a potential growing military responsibility in an administration caught flat-footed in having to house waves of migrants awaiting civilian criminal proceedings.

 

The Navy memo outlines plans to build “temporary and austere” tent cities to house 25,000 migrants at abandoned airfields just outside the Florida panhandle near Mobile, Alabama, at Navy Outlying Field Wolf in Orange Beach, Alabama, and nearby Navy Outlying Field Silverhill.

 

http://time.com/5319334/navy-detainment-centers-zerol-tolerance-immigration-family-separation-policy/

 

The Navy memo outlines plans to build “temporary and austere” tent cities to house 25,000 migrants at abandoned airfields just outside the Florida panhandle near Mobile, Alabama, at Navy Outlying Field Wolf in Orange Beach, Alabama, and nearby Navy Outlying Field Silverhill.

 

Just in time for hurricane season. What could go wrong?

 

 

 

[duanebigsby]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 Many of Thousands  of families are and have faced permanent separation .Why isn't the media and the deranged PT haters reporting the many thousands of deaths that are committed by illegals onto Americans. Where are the polls!

illegals are killing many thousands of Americans? Really?

[dcutman]

Here are some of those beautiful, divine, children we let into our country.  Something most of (none liberal) the MSM is not reporting of course, actually surprised Yahoo allowed it into their news page.

MS-13 gang members, including 10 illegal immigrants, charged in deaths of Virginia teens

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/88318605-2018-37a9-a498-0adc3ffb7005/ms-13-gang-members%2C-including.html

MS-13 was started by Central American immigrants, mainly from El Salvador, in Los Angeles in the 1980s and has expanded to include Hondurans, Guatamalans, Mexicans and other Central and South Americans.

[dcutman]

This is just the State of Texas! The liberal definition of true divinity.

 

Between June 1, 2011 and May 31, 2018, these 171,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 265,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 495 homicide charges; 29,526 assault charges; 5,264 burglary charges; 33,637 drug charges; 350 kidnapping charges; 14,794 theft charges; 21,674 obstructing police charges; 1,537 robbery charges; 3,107 sexual assault charges; and 2,673 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 110,000 convictions including 219 homicide convictions; 12,244 assault convictions; 2,900 burglary convictions; 16,358 drug convictions; 144 kidnapping convictions; 6,642 theft convictions; 10,508 obstructing police convictions; 929 robbery convictions; 1,528 sexual assault convictions; and 1,167 weapon convictions

https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm

[habanero]

On 6/22/2018 at 10:25 AM, neeray said:

Regretfully both incompetent and illiterate +++. Just a name calling, pathological liar with no conscience, thus, the laughing stock of America.

So let us see.  20 % of children arrived with their parents. The other 80% arrived without parents. What do you suggest they do with those kids? Give them to some other family? This is a terrible situation I will agree. But, there doesn't seem to be an easy solution. As long as these people keep coming, this is going to look bad. 

[duanebigsby]

5 minutes ago, dcutman said:

This is just the State of Texas! The liberal definition of true divinity.

 

Between June 1, 2011 and May 31, 2018, these 171,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 265,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 495 homicide charges; 29,526 assault charges; 5,264 burglary charges; 33,637 drug charges; 350 kidnapping charges; 14,794 theft charges; 21,674 obstructing police charges; 1,537 robbery charges; 3,107 sexual assault charges; and 2,673 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 110,000 convictions including 219 homicide convictions; 12,244 assault convictions; 2,900 burglary convictions; 16,358 drug convictions; 144 kidnapping convictions; 6,642 theft convictions; 10,508 obstructing police convictions; 929 robbery convictions; 1,528 sexual assault convictions; and 1,167 weapon convictions

https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm

How do you get "killing many thousands of Americans" from 219 homicides. And what are the figures for Americans committing crimes during that period? You are cherry-picking stats to be a xenophobic, racist.

[neeray]

1 minute ago, dcutman said:

This is just the State of Texas!

 

Between June 1, 2011 and May 31, 2018, these 171,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 265,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 495 homicide charges; 29,526 assault charges; 5,264 burglary charges; 33,637 drug charges; 350 kidnapping charges; 14,794 theft charges; 21,674 obstructing police charges; 1,537 robbery charges; 3,107 sexual assault charges; and 2,673 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 110,000 convictions including 219 homicide convictions; 12,244 assault convictions; 2,900 burglary convictions; 16,358 drug convictions; 144 kidnapping convictions; 6,642 theft convictions; 10,508 obstructing police convictions; 929 robbery convictions; 1,528 sexual assault convictions; and 1,167 weapon convictions

https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txCriminalAlienStatistics.htm

With stats like this, what a great country to live in. But it gives me cause to say something good about trump (yes, just one thing). Their brag line "God Bless America, We are the greatest country in the world" has never been uttered by trump as far as I know. But maybe he's just waiting until he completes his grand plan, then he just might say "I made America the greatest country in the world".

[duanebigsby]

Seems to me when Trump supporters say "Make America Great Again" they are really saying "Make America White Again"

[canthai55]

10 minutes ago, dcutman said:

MS-13 was started by Central American immigrants, mainly from El Salvador, in Los Angeles in the 1980s and has expanded to include Hondurans, Guatamalans, Mexicans and other Central and South Americans.

And how do the MS13, all the cartels make money ?

Through the sale of illegal drugs, which is caused by the USA starting, funding, and forcing other countries to wage if they want a teeny tiny share of the War on Drugs.

So, in effect, the USA and its insane war is the direct cause of this immigrant crisis.

What would you have central American families do ? When it is not safe for their children to walk the streets in broad daylight, go to school, enjoy sports without having to make this choice - "Join the Gang" or we will wipe your whole family off the face of the earth ?

These people are fleeing an impossible position, trying to better the lives of their children ? Do you have any other response except "Lock 'em Up"

 

[bushdoctor]

On 6/21/2018 at 8:45 PM, spidermike007 said:

What, Captain Chaos is creating confusion? Confusion is his brand in trade. That is what he does, with his incoherent policies, and his racist hatred. The talking points coming out of the very white house are nonsense, as usual, and contain no factual information. Only a daily fake narrative. 

 

The only people who are currently allowed to immigrate to the US (since 9/11) are people of wealth, and substance. Someone from Thailand cannot even get a tourist visa to the US, unless they are married to an American, are lucky enough to be among a tiny allotment of student visas, or have over 20 million baht cash, in the bank here. Otherwise, not happening. I know this for a fact. If you are from Europe, or the first world, no problem. If you are unlucky enough to be from the third world, you are totally unwanted in the US. 

 

As far as the rest of the debate goes, if you have $1,000,000 US, to invest in a business, or real estate, you can get a visa. In terms of the people coming over illegally, there is presently no means with which they could apply legally, as you suggest. 

 

Even a top talent, is limited to a minuscule quote system, that has not been revised for decades. The frustrating part of this discussion is that most vocal participants are human parrots, and few are willing to educate themselves about legal immigration, and the total unwillingness of the very white house, congress and the senate, to even debate this issue. Not illegal immigration. Everyone loves to talk about that simple minded issue. The real issue at stake here is legal immigration, and the need to fix a broken and dysfunctional system.

 

Labeling illegal immigrants as criminals? What nonsense. What quaker based, puritanical, fake BS.

This is Thaivisa. I think most people here are aware that the policy for US tourist visas Thai nationals has always been pretty strict. That’s nothing new. If you care to show me what’s changed with the tourist visa requirements for Thai nationals I’m listening. 

[bushdoctor]

28 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

And how do the MS13, all the cartels make money ?

Through the sale of illegal drugs, which is caused by the USA starting, funding, and forcing other countries to wage if they want a teeny tiny share of the War on Drugs.

So, in effect, the USA and its insane war is the direct cause of this immigrant crisis.

What would you have central American families do ? When it is not safe for their children to walk the streets in broad daylight, go to school, enjoy sports without having to make this choice - "Join the Gang" or we will wipe your whole family off the face of the earth ?

These people are fleeing an impossible position, trying to better the lives of their children ? Do you have any other response except "Lock 'em Up"

 

So it’s the USA’s fault that MS-13 sells drugs? 

And your solution is to let more in? 

 

You do realize there are many more immigrants than those from Central America right? The law applies to everyone not just specific groups. 

 

But we should let all of these Central Americans in too. The gang members that harass them would never come here among them right? 

Your solution is let them all come illegally so we can’t verify if they are gang members or criminals, and everything should be fine? 

 

Your plan may have some flaws. 

 

 

[riclag]

1 hour ago, duanebigsby said:

illegals are killing many thousands of Americans? Really?

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

Ohio Jobs & Justice PAC

VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

MEMORIAL

"In honor of the thousands of American citizens killed each year by Illegal Aliens. 

Deaths that could have been prevented if the Congress and the Executive Branch  would have secured our border and enforced existing U.S. immigration laws".

 

[duanebigsby]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

Ohio Jobs & Justice PAC

VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

MEMORIAL

In honor of the thousands of American citizens killed each year by Illegal Aliens. 

Deaths that could have been prevented if the Congress and the Executive Branch  would have secured our border and enforced existing U.S. immigration laws.

You give me a garbage link to a right wing propaganda bs website when all studies suggest Americans kill far more Americans than immigrants. Immigrants are LESS likely to commit crime than homegrown Americans.

Why are so many Americans so racist and ignorant?

[riclag]

54 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

And how do the MS13, all the cartels make money ?

Through the sale of illegal drugs, which is caused by the USA starting, funding, and forcing other countries to wage if they want a teeny tiny share of the War on Drugs.

So, in effect, the USA and its insane war is the direct cause of this immigrant crisis.

What would you have central American families do ? When it is not safe for their children to walk the streets in broad daylight, go to school, enjoy sports without having to make this choice - "Join the Gang" or we will wipe your whole family off the face of the earth ?

These people are fleeing an impossible position, trying to better the lives of their children ? Do you have any other response except "Lock 'em Up"

 

 

It's sad to see a country let that happen to their citizens!

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

Ohio Jobs & Justice PAC

VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

MEMORIAL

In honor of the thousands of American citizens killed each year by Illegal Aliens. 

Deaths that could have been prevented if the Congress and the Executive Branch  would have secured our border and enforced existing U.S. immigration laws.

Yes, a website that opposes Nielsen and Trump because they are not doing enough to prevent illegals from entering, has a memorial list of all the 1000's killed each year that contains less than 1000 and just adds, so far from 'each year', is a reliable source.