Put your cards on the table, EU makes last Brexit call to Britain

[stephenterry]

On 7/3/2018 at 6:24 PM, billd766 said:

 

Yet another keyboard lawyer who believes that he knows more than anybody in the government.

 

If you believe that you could do better please ask the PM for a job as a negotiator.

Best laugh of the day. ?

[Grouse]

9 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

I agree that the UK government are responsible for their share of the blame, and I do not think that all the blame lies with the EU, but they do shoulder some of the responsibility for the lack of progress.

 

The problem with the UK government is, as The Renegade is continually pointing out, that they are lead by a Prime Minister that is a remainer at heart, and she has lost sight  of what she is supposed to be doing, while trying to appease everyone.

I suspect she is a wise woman at heart who is trying to sooth the right wing bastards into acquiesce whilst trying to explain to the Brexiteers that we're not going to commit Hari Kari no matter how democratic it is.

[Grouse]

7 hours ago, aright said:

If Brexit isn't the answer what reforms do you think the EU needs to  make to, keep us, and other member states, onside, and how, in practical terms, would you bring about that reformation?

Internal migration controls. Sort it out

[stephenterry]

6 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I suspect she is a wise woman at heart who is trying to sooth the right wing bastards into acquiesce whilst trying to explain to the Brexiteers that we're not going to commit Hari Kari no matter how democratic it is.

Which will happen if the UK leave the single market and Customs Union, as clearly there is no satisfactory alternative - which will be fudged in the White paper and not accepted by the EU - to avoid a hard border with Eire, and no alternative to massive transport blockages at ports on both sides of the Channel and North Sea. Chaos from March 20th 2019 unless the transition period is accepted.

 

But hey, the UK people could eat fish all day and every day when we take over who can fish our waters. 

 

 

 

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, nontabury said:

Unfortunately the E.U’s buffet is very expensive, in fact it is not a buffet of choice, except for the Bureaucrats in Brussels.

 

 

Not at all expensive. Not enough prawn cocktail, Black Forest gateaux and Blue Nun? ?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

Best laugh of the day. ?

 

So are you going to do it?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

Best laugh of the day. ?

 

So are you going to do it then, or just whine as usual.

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, nontabury said:

You may be happy with the E.U. However for your own selfish reasons, you are prepared to disregard the democratic rights of your own countrymen. Shame on you.

 

 

 

 

 

Sadly, "our own countrymen" are mis informed and making a dreadful mistake. God willing, you may test be saved.

[stephenterry]

6 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Internal migration controls. Sort it out

That's a (partial) fallacy that Leavers use as a reason. UK immigration law is robust enough for the UK to reject 'undesirables' from entering the UK in the first place - according to current Home Office regulations. Whether Javid will relax those is probably on the agenda since Windrush amid a huge protest by parliament.

 

The main difficulty the UK faces is deporting undesirables like hate preachers who are residing in the country who will use EU human rights legislation to prolong their stay while their case is referred to the ECJ. One reason why leavers want the UK to take back control, and I agree with this stance, albeit it would be a bit like addressing the tip of an iceberg, in reality. 

 

 

 

 

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, nontabury said:

I can imagine all the remainers crying into their Evian this morning, after England’s win. And then to compound their suffering the two caving experts,who discovered the kids in the cave, declared that they’re English without any sign of the E.U. Flag.

 

 

Dearly me, how lamentable!

 

Our caving chaps did a heroic job but it's off topic 

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In a sense I agree.

 

Two years after the referendum and the PM still hasn’t agreed a negotiating position with her own cabinet.

 

It would be hilarious if it were not such an utter shambles.

 

But then what to expect when Brexit started without a plan?

....

Perhaps Rees Mogg could use a sheet of Izal and give us a rendition of the national anthem on his grease laden comb. It might cheer you up a bit - Lord knows you need it.

So PM Teresa May, who is a confirmed remainer is making a complete Bxlls up of the negotiations. So no surprise there.What should have happed is that the British person with the most knowledge of the corrupt E.U. ought have been put in charge of our negotiating team. However she has tried to skirt the democratic wishes of the electorate. If she is successful in that endevour, will it come back to  bite her and all the other remoaners?

 

 

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, nontabury said:

I’m not at all surprised at your answer. Look up the meaning of the word Selfish,as I beleive this is the reason that many remoaners voted to remain in this so called Union.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellfish

[aright]

28 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Internal migration controls. Sort it out

Thanks for that. At least you don't fear publication of your own thoughts and have the courage to share them with us.

Italy’s new coalition of left and right-wing populists is a fiesta of political contradictions, but they share one goal, to stop the migration population from growing. I recall saying in an earlier post I thought immigration problems are best solved on a member state level not by the EU. but sadly I can't see the Commission agreeing to this.

Anything else you would like changed?

 

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, The Renegade said:

The biggest demagogue to vote for Brexit were the over 50's.

what?

 

how about the inadequately educated?

[stephenterry]

8 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

So are you going to do it then, or just whine as usual.

I think you misread  my original post - or maybe misunderstood it.  IMO, Friday's meeting of the cabinet aims to produce an agreed 'white paper' which sets out the UK's vision of our future outside the EU - and possibly what we hope to achieve in our negotiations.

 

As it's taken two years for the government to reach this point without any agreement, let alone a future Brexit plan amongst the cabinet, it is logical to infer that any 'agreement' on that day would be fudged to 'satisfy' both leavers and remainers, but that agreement in White paper format will most likely be rejected by the EU as it would be regarded as cherry-picking.

 

Hence no progress, and about as obvious a result that could have been predicted by any reasonable person beforehand. I don't have to be a MP to realise that.    

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

And the government funnelled 9 million pounds of tax payers money into their remain advisory leaflet that was sent to every household in the UK.

 

BTW is use of a single ‘L’ the American way of spelling funnelled ?

Are you still in there??

[nauseus]

24 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Sadly, "our own countrymen" are mis informed and making a dreadful mistake. God willing, you may test be saved.

Has to be a remainer with a T shirt like that.

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, The Renegade said:

A wager ?

 

Hide quick, Big Joke is after you ??

Sorry, I don't do gutter language. Translate

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

I suspect that these rebates and opt outs will disappear eventually anyway, if we were remaining.

Do you have some evidence of that?

[Grouse]

49 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Which will happen if the UK leave the single market and Customs Union, as clearly there is no satisfactory alternative - which will be fudged in the White paper and not accepted by the EU - to avoid a hard border with Eire, and no alternative to massive transport blockages at ports on both sides of the Channel and North Sea. Chaos from March 20th 2019 unless the transition period is accepted.

 

But hey, the UK people could eat fish all day and every day when we take over who can fish our waters. 

 

 

 

ALL the sensible know that to remain is the correct solution. It is purely a matter of how to explain this to the peasants.

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, nontabury said:

So PM Teresa May, who is a confirmed remainer is making a complete Bxlls up of the negotiations. So no surprise there.What should have happed is that the British person with the most knowledge of the corrupt E.U. ought have been put in charge of our negotiating team. However she has tried to skirt the democratic wishes of the electorate. If she is successful in that endevour, will it come back to  bite her and all the other remoaners?

 

 

Your man Farage has other pressing matters on his mind.

 

Trying put some distance between himself and Assange being near the top of his list.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

ALL the sensible know that to remain is the correct solution. It is purely a matter of how to explain this to the peasants.

Just keep up with the insults, you're doing just fine.

[tebee]

5 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Tebee

 

The biggest demagogue to vote for Brexit were the over 50's.

 

The over 50's are the smallest UK demagogue that use social media.

 

 

I suspect you mean demographic there - unless you are suggesting all over 50's are like Nigel Farage.....

 

But those that do use social  media are probably the least experienced users of it and probably more easily influenced by what they read there.   

[tebee]

On 7/3/2018 at 9:20 PM, Grouse said:

What has a bunch of misguided Thai footballers got to do with this thread? Off Topic.

These boys took a democratic decision to enter these caves it would be undemocratic to let them change their minds & leave

This negative thinking of rescuing them is what's holding them back. They will thrive in the dark....

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, The Renegade said:

But there wasn't, was there ?

 

On the remain side there was the Government led by Cameron & Osborne and the official Remain Camp led by Lord Rose.

 

There might also be others that escape my immediate recollection. 

 

So if you want to get high & mighty, at least get high & mighty about both campaigns.

And let's not forget the government leaflet dropped through every letter box advising the public to vote Remain.

 

Oh, and the news this week confirming that Cameron fed that famous line about us going to the "back of the queue" to Obama.  So effectively the government also recruited the leader of the free world to push the Remain campaign.

 

Why are we even discussing a bit of over-spend on the leave side!

[aright]

37 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

 They will thrive in the dark....

We, of course ,must bow to your experience.?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Do you have some evidence of that?

Of course not. That's why I said suspect. This suspicion is a result of the steady centralisation of powers from EU member states to Brussels via successive treaties, with other trade-offs for vetoes etc. At least four of the UK's so-called leaders have facilitated this. Other more influential European leaders have recently shown how arrogant they can be.

 

I suspect and expect that if the EU continues on like this, all member states will basically become powerless, with no effective sovereignty remaining and with all forced to adopt the Euro plus whatever else the oligarchy decides. This is what I suspect to be the case. It's not just necessary to get away from the EU as it is now - it's necessary to get away from the EU that it will become (if it ever gets that far) - better now. 

 

Just my HO of course. No evidence or anything.

 

[aright]

Dangerously unbalanced: Germany's economy, not migration, could spell the end for Merkel

Manufacturing, which Germany specialises in, is always the sector most vulnerable to tariffs, and its ridiculously huge trade surpluses, running to more than 8 per cent of GDP, will always put it in the firing line.

It doesn't stop there. The European Central Bank is winding up its programme of quantitative easing, which is all that has kept the eurozone economy afloat for the last two years.

If Europe slows down, Germany will slow down with it. Its banking system looks the wobbliest in the world right now, with the once mighty Deutsche Bank hitting fresh lows every week. If it needs a bailout, the consequences will be cataclysmic. Meanwhile, Germany's surpluses have left it uniquely exposed to a crash.

According to calculations by Die Welt, it is now the second largest creditor nation in the world: Germany is owed €2 trillion ($3.2 trillion) by the rest of the world compared with less than €500 billion a decade ago. If there are defaults on that, even a country with its financial strength will be in trouble.

 

http://fntalk.com/economy/dangerously-unbalanced-germanys-economy-not-migration-spell-end-merkel/

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, aright said:

Thanks for that. At least you don't fear publication of your own thoughts and have the courage to share them with us.

Italy’s new coalition of left and right-wing populists is a fiesta of political contradictions, but they share one goal, to stop the migration population from growing. I recall saying in an earlier post I thought immigration problems are best solved on a member state level not by the EU. but sadly I can't see the Commission agreeing to this.

Anything else you would like changed?

 

EU internal democracy

[tebee]

Another car make who won't stop in the UK if we have a hard Brexit 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/d077afaa-7f8a-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d