Monk Who Predicted Thai Cave Rescue Hailed for ‘Intervention’

[DM07]

3 hours ago, khlongtoey said:

should just close this topic,  not OK  to insult any monk/s  in  LOS  IMO

 

I did enjoy that there was some local hilltribe intervention as well, having to do with  bleeding it, placing it's head on an alter and taking it home to boil to read its intestines ?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30349134

"should just close this topic,  not OK  to insult any monk/s  in  LOS  IMO"

They have the right to believe in whichever hokuspokus they want and even practice it!

And I will execute my right, to ridicule them, no matter if they are Thai- Buddhists, Celtic Druids, Christian- believers or whatever! 

[hobobo]

19 hours ago, evadgib said:

Who's going to win the world cup?

I suppose the odds were 50:50 that he'd guess be right. Not exactly rocket science!

[Lucky mike]

Not for prophet I hope !

[Kieran00001]

57 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

It wasn't Schrödinger's cave. 50/50 chance of survival was never accurate. The ETA of rescue, and the very high chance of survival of all 13 (based on prior knowledge of similar situations generally, and of this cave system specifically) had already been explained by experts.

 

I don't doubt that, I am not trying to claim the monk is a prophet, in my opinion he just said what anyone on the site would have said if asked the same question.

[Mattd]

Lets face it, he could hardly say "Give it up, they have got no chance to survive" 

 

[Kieran00001]

47 minutes ago, DM07 said:

...who said that?

?

 

 

The rescuers said they hoped they were on Pattaya beach, how did you think we knew they would be there?

[Kieran00001]

Just now, Mattd said:

Lets face it, he could hardly say "Give it up, they have got no chance to survive" 

 

 

Exactly, he was just being optimistic and repeating what the crew were saying.

[DM07]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The rescuers said they hoped they were on Pattaya beach, how did you think we knew they would be there?

I don't understand, what you actually want from me?

All I said was, that he predicted them to be at Pattaya Beach and alive.

I am not talking about what anybody else said or hoped or wanted!

Just the "predictions" of the super-monk!

 

IF they had been at Pattaya Beach, like he foretold, they would NOT have been alive!

So he already was wrong on those 2 accounts...

 

Of course no one hoped they were dead!

[connda]

It's stuff like this that makes me almost embarrassed to admit to being a Buddhist. 
Superstition and Hocus-Pocus are elevated to some sort of 'divine intervention' and the monk is then revered and enshrined and hailed as some sort of Oracle.  This is especially prevalent in Thai Buddhism.  It's BS.

The first rule of Guerrilla Buddhism is if you meet a monk claiming supernatural ability, turn around and walk away.
The second rule of Guerrilla Buddhism is if you meet a monk claiming supernatural ability, turn around and walk away.

Walk away - quickly. 

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, connda said:

It's stuff like this that makes me almost embarrassed to admit to being a Buddhist. 
Superstition and Hocus-Pocus are elevated to some sort of 'divine intervention' and the monk is then revered and enshrined and hailed as some sort of Oracle.  This is especially prevalent in Thai Buddhism.  It's BS.

The first rule of Guerrilla Buddhism is if you meet a monk claiming supernatural ability, turn around and walk away.
The second rule of Guerrilla Buddhism is if you meet a monk claiming supernatural ability, turn around and walk away.

Walk away - quickly. 

 

Third rule...  If you come across a monk who says, "abandon all hope, the kids are dead", slap him- hard, then walk away.

 

Right or wrong, prescient or just optimistic and compassionate, the guy made the right prediction for the situation.

 

[Gandtee]

19 hours ago, mok199 said:

we have an old woman who walks around with a duck in a shopping cart who claims to have information on aliens ..''should I send her round''..

She sounds quackers!

[whaleboneman]

20 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

I have said all the time that they would be rescued.

 

When do i get my headline article?

When you become a monk. Maybe.

[bluesofa]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

a local monk who had earlier predicted that the group would be found alive. Phra Khuva Boonchum hails from northern Thailand

The above is the article on this page, from Thai PBS yesterday.

 

Today, I see Khaosodenglish describe him as "Kruba Boonchum, a prominent mystic from Myanmar "

So what is he and where is he from?

Or can he transcend time and space to be in two places simultaneously?

Source: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2018/07/05/storms-coming-to-complicate-risky-cave-rescue/

 

[toofarnorth]

20 hours ago, poohy said:

What utter tripe 

can he do anything useful?

 

lottery tickets

exchange rates hedging

stocks and shares tips

horse racing bets

 

oh for starters i have lost my house key...tis where?

Ah , listen to the wise one ...me.  It is where you left it.

[toofarnorth]

19 hours ago, Shroud said:

I actually predicted that this monk would predict the Thai Cave Rescue.

I knew you were going to say that.

[outsider]

As for intervention - well if this so-called monk walked into the cave - unaided - commanded all the narrow passageways to open up and all the water to drain away, and walked out with all 13 of them - alive - now THAT is intevention. Saying they will be found alive in two days is just playing the game of 'Chance' with a 50-percent chance of a win. Better than the casinos of course. This monk knows where to place his bets.

 

It's the similar 'trick' fortune-tellers use - they tell you you had a difficult life/past, and that the future will be better for you. That will set you to thinking - and agreeing - that certain parts of your past were indeed 'tough' - and that now you are better, or that the future will be better. It's just a simple case of hope. Don't need fortune-tellers or monks to tell you that.

 

Anyway, how the Thai psyche can make Mr. Hocus-Pocus here a hero is beyond me. How about doing some real journalism and content and write/talk about/film the men and women who did all the hard work that made this rescue possible? Their sacrifices, endeavours, spirit etc.

 

As a Buddhist myself, I don't give too much thought about monks. Never wai-ed to one. They want to follow Buddha's teachings and live life according to it and share Buddha's teachings, that's their call. And that is ALL they should do. Fact is, Buddha - who was also human - never taught them to become gods and angels and dabble in all these predictions, spiritual interventions and other-worldly crap. 

[Surasak]

Hey guys and gals, big news with prediction of the century. The sun will shine tomorrow, somewhere in the world!

[manhood]

Well always these monk stories of predicting something...a fortune teller is doing the same....

 

 

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, DM07 said:

I don't understand, what you actually want from me?

All I said was, that he predicted them to be at Pattaya Beach and alive.

I am not talking about what anybody else said or hoped or wanted!

Just the "predictions" of the super-monk!

 

IF they had been at Pattaya Beach, like he foretold, they would NOT have been alive!

So he already was wrong on those 2 accounts...

 

Of course no one hoped they were dead!

 

The whole team made the 'prediction' that they would be at Pattaya beach, by your weird logic they all predicted they would be dead, or do you reserve these pathetic attacks for monks?

[toofarnorth]

18 hours ago, electric said:

The kids were found by the incredible efforts of the rescue teams. Nobody really doubts that.

 

What this guy predicted on Day 6, was that the kids would be found by Monday Day 9.

 

We live in a country that's right into superstition and beliefs that many of us simply don't understand. In that context, he offered plenty of Thai's some spiritual hope in a deteriorating situation.

 

He turned out to be right.

 

I don't believe any of the superstitious beliefs that my Thai family shares, however, if it works for them, then that's ok by me.

 

I think it's wrong to ridicule this guy for being right, just because we don't believe his particular faith.

 

 

When harvesting starts in the rice field behind us it starts with 3 blast on the horns , once I asked why is this . my wife replied " to wake up the ghosts ". I think that is lovely , albeit tosh.

[Kieran00001]

9 minutes ago, outsider said:

As for intervention - well if this so-called monk walked into the cave - unaided - commanded all the narrow passageways to open up and all the water to drain away, and walked out with all 13 of them - alive - now THAT is intevention. Saying they will be found alive in two days is just playing the game of 'Chance' with a 50-percent chance of a win. Better than the casinos of course. This monk knows where to place his bets.

 

It's the similar 'trick' fortune-tellers use - they tell you you had a difficult life/past, and that the future will be better for you. That will set you to thinking - and agreeing - that certain parts of your past were indeed 'tough' - and that now you are better, or that the future will be better. It's just a simple case of hope. Don't need fortune-tellers or monks to tell you that.

 

Anyway, how the Thai psyche can make Mr. Hocus-Pocus here a hero is beyond me. How about doing some real journalism and content and write/talk about/film the men and women who did all the hard work that made this rescue possible? Their sacrifices, endeavours, spirit etc.

 

As a Buddhist myself, I don't give too much thought about monks. Never wai-ed to one. They want to follow Buddha's teachings and live life according to it and share Buddha's teachings, that's their call. And that is ALL they should do. Fact is, Buddha - who was also human - never taught them to become gods and angels and dabble in all these predictions, spiritual interventions and other-worldly crap. 

 

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As a Buddhist myself, I don't give too much thought about monks. Never wai-ed to one.

 

As a Buddhist, not giving thought for fellow practitioners and teachers is not giving much thought to Buddhism.  When we wai monks we express gratitude for Buddha, gratitude for his teachings, respect for the teachers and respect for the fellow practitioners of the Dharma. 

[Easy Come Easy Go]

2 hours ago, bluesofa said:

An interesting point you've made.

I'm an atheist, but it doesn't mean I'm not interested in finding out out Buddhism. The little I've read about it generally, there are lot who say that Thai Buddhism is a mix of many different things, and the Buddhists here automatically follow anyone in an orange robe, who get 'respect' by what they wear, not by earning it through good deeds.

The way I see it, too many Thai Buddhists will follow it blindly, not questioning everything, as the Buddha apparently suggested they should do.

 

Well I'm not a practicing Buddhist anymore. That being said, I still adopt much of the teachings  today, because they simply make sense to a better and wholesome life. Things like accepting things to which you cannot control, not being attached to things, having a middle way on many things, without extremes, etc etc. Like you, I do not follow anything blindly, I take teachings from many sources, contemplate them and see how they work within my life. One thing the Buddha did say was to never take anybodies word as absolute truth, even his own. I see Buddhism as more of a philosophy than a religion, as there is no God within it originally. 

[OzMan]

Now that a new Pattaya Beach has gained global recognition will we see bus loads of sex tourists going there looking for you know what. Will the Seals teach local girls to scuba dive (not muff dive) to get to to Pattaya beach to wait for the tourists?

[DM07]

51 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The whole team made the 'prediction' that they would be at Pattaya beach, by your weird logic they all predicted they would be dead, or do you reserve these pathetic attacks for monks?

Please go back to the OP, see who it is about and after that...please leave me alone!

Thank you!

[Tengtai]

22 hours ago, evadgib said:

Who's going to win the world cup?

Sweden ?

[hotchilli]

Maybe he'll be brave enough to speak up and say "how & when" the boy's will be out????

Finding them was a 50/50 chance.. the odds are stacked up against him on another prediction...

me thinks he'll stay quiet now.

[Tchooptip]

22 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

"Many Thais believe it was the monk’s intervention that stopped the rain."

 

 

 

This could make flooding in Thailand a thing of the past.

If the dams start overflowing during the rainy season, give this fella a call ! 

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 Just as many farangs cannot prove that is not the monk that stopped the rain ! ?

[Somchai Logic]

R3T4RD$ - All of them. I mean ALL of them 

[DM07]

13 minutes ago, Tchooptip said:

 Just as many farangs cannot prove that is not the monk that stopped the rain ! ?

Thailand is a bit weird: people make rain- monks stop rain- people make rain- monk stops rain...

All good and clean magic!

[lvr181]

14 minutes ago, Tchooptip said:

 Just as many farangs cannot prove that is not the monk that stopped the rain ! ?

Devil's advocate?