U.S. accuses Russian spies of 2016 election hacking, summit looms

[heybruce]

6 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

You don't see a see a smoking gun the US state department invests 6 billion dollars, then discusses who should be the next president of Ukraine? Of course the BBC is going to come to that conclusion, they obviously have a pro US bias. I posted that because of the transcript. It proves US meddling.

Aid is meddling, and the US should not care whether the country receiving aid is led by a Russian stooge.  Do you not see any bias in your thinking?

[Chomper Higgot]

I’ve been busy today, to save me reading pages of comments can someone tell me how Ukraine entered a thread in which the topic is the US accusing Russian spies of hacking the US election?

 

It’s a serious topic, I hope nobody is trying to drive it of course with ‘dark and mysterious theories’ that have no relevance at all to the topic.

Edited July 15, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[tumama]

Just now, heybruce said:

Aid is meddling, and the US should not care whether the country receiving aid is led by a Russian stooge.  Do you not see any bias in your thinking?

 

I don't understand. Are you admitting that US meddled in Ukraine?

[heybruce]

Just now, tumama said:

 

Actually they are. And US shows no support for them. If you care so much about dictatorships in the middle east, then why be allies with Saudi Arabia? It's blatant hypocrisy and you know it. 

Links showing a significant portion of the Saudi population rising up, please.

[tumama]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve been busy today, to save me reading pages of comments can someone tell me how Ukraine entered a thread in which the topic is the US accusing Russian spies of hacking the US election?

 

It’s a serious topic, I hope nobody is trying to drive it of course with ‘dark and mysterious theories’.

 

Yeah well like everything US comes up with. I'd like to see the evidence first. Not like they have a record of not making stuff up. 

[tumama]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Links showing a significant portion of the Saudi population rising up, please.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Saudi_Arabian_protests

 

Yeah and besides not letting women drive, you know what else they do? Yeah that's right, they chop people's heads off. Assad might be a brutal dictator, but at least he's not anywhere close to that. Again, care to comment about this blatant hypocrisy? 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, tumama said:

 

Yeah well like everything US comes up with. I'd like to see the evidence first. Not like they have a record of not making stuff up. 

Oh it was you tumama.

 

Let me guess, you’re defending Russia?!

[tumama]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh it was you tumama.

 

Let me guess, you’re defending Russia?!

 

Dude, I'm European. So naturally I have an anti-US bias. Anybody that doesn't is an idiot. 

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve been busy today, to save me reading pages of comments can someone tell me how Ukraine entered a thread in which the topic is the US accusing Russian spies of hacking the US election?

 

It’s a serious topic, I hope nobody is trying to drive it of course with ‘dark and mysterious theories’ that have no relevance at all to the topic.

Very good point. 

 

I challenged tumama to defend his statement that the US interferes in other countries elections.  All he came up with is that since the 1990's the US has provided $5 billion of various kinds of aid to Ukraine and leaked diplomatic communications show that the US cares who leads the country.  However it did allow tumama to successfully derail the topic. 

 

I'll ignore further off-topic nonsense from him.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, tumama said:

 

Dude, I'm European. So naturally I have an anti-US bias. Anybody that doesn't is an idiot. 

Well show us how smart you are and get back on topic.

[tumama]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well show us how smart you are and get back on topic.

 

How smart I am? I was expecting you to ask me why I would have that bias. 

 

It's simple really. We are now flooded with refugees from countries that US and NATO illegally attacked. I for one think that we should help people as much as we can. But that comes with not only an economical price, but also at the price of far right parties popping up all over Europe. The likes we haven't seen since the 1930's. It's also threatening to break up the EU as we've seen with U.K opting to leave. 

 

History repeats itself. Before the Jews were the enemy, today it's Muslims. The only thing that's certain is that people are <deleted> idiots. 

Edited July 15, 2018 by tumama

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

How smart I am? I was expecting you to ask me why I would have that bias. 

 

It's simple really. We are now flooded with refugees from countries that US and NATO illegally attacked. I for one think that we should help people as much as we can. But that comes with not only an economical price, but also at the price of far right parties popping up all over Europe. The likes we haven't seen since the 1930's. It's also threatening to break up the EU as we've seen with U.K opting to leave. 

 

History repeats itself. Before the Jews were the enemy, today it's Muslims. The only thing that's certain is that people are <deleted> idiots. 

Then start a "It's all America's fault" topic.  Stick with Russian spies hacking to influence the 2016 election on this one.

[tumama]

10 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Then start a "It's all America's fault" topic.  Stick with Russian spies hacking to influence the 2016 election on this one.

 

Yeah but without seeing any evidence of it, it gets boring. Also, still waiting for the comment about the blatant hypocrisy when US does this all the time. 

[Chomper Higgot]

38 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

Actually they are. And US shows no support for them. If you care so much about dictatorships in the middle east, then why be allies with Saudi Arabia? It's blatant hypocrisy and you know it. 

I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for two year, travelling widely while there.

 

Your comments regarding Saudi uprising are utter hogwash.

 

I doubt you have any ‘knowledge’ of Saudi Arabia that was not handed at least third hand.

Edited July 15, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

How smart I am? I was expecting you to ask me why I would have that bias. 

 

It's simple really. We are now flooded with refugees from countries that US and NATO illegally attacked. I for one think that we should help people as much as we can. But that comes with not only an economical price, but also at the price of far right parties popping up all over Europe. The likes we haven't seen since the 1930's. It's also threatening to break up the EU as we've seen with U.K opting to leave. 

 

History repeats itself. Before the Jews were the enemy, today it's Muslims. The only thing that's certain is that people are <deleted> idiots. 

You start of explaining your disappointment that I did not ask you the question you then go on to answer.

 

Get back on topic troll.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You start of explaining your disappointment that I did not ask you the question you then go on to answer.

 

Get back on topic troll.

Dream the impossible dream. ??

[tumama]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for two year, travelling widely while there.

 

Your comments regarding Saudi uprising are utter hogwash.

 

I doubt you have any ‘knowledge’ of Saudi Arabia that was not handed at least third hand.

 

You asked for a source and I gave it to you. If you want to dispute that go ahead. 

 

You still haven't commented about the dictatorship there and how it's hypocritical west supports Saudi Arabia when they say they want to oust dictators. 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

You asked for a source and I gave it to you. If you want to dispute that go ahead. 

 

You still haven't commented about the dictatorship there and how it's hypocritical west supports Saudi Arabia when they say they want to oust dictators. 

Get back on topic.

[tumama]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Get back on topic.

 

But you had no problems telling us how you worked in that dictatorship.

 

Sure let's get back to the topic at hand. Again, glad they might actually present some evidence of this alleged interference. Let's see if Russia is guilty of what US always does. 

[tumama]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You start of explaining your disappointment that I did not ask you the question you then go on to answer.

 

Get back on topic troll.

 

Too smart for you am I? Go back to swallowing your government's propaganda. 

[heybruce]

32 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

Yeah but without seeing any evidence of it, it gets boring. Also, still waiting for the comment about the blatant hypocrisy when US does this all the time. 

You mean without being force fed evidence.  You can lead a troll to knowledge, but you can't make him think.  Or provide evidence of his BS claims.

[heybruce]

22 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

You asked for a source and I gave it to you. If you want to dispute that go ahead. 

 

You still haven't commented about the dictatorship there and how it's hypocritical west supports Saudi Arabia when they say they want to oust dictators. 

You mean you haven't succeeded in derailing the topic with BS claims.  Must be very disappointing for you.

[tumama]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You mean without being force fed evidence.  You can lead a troll to knowledge, but you can't make him think.  Or provide evidence of his BS claims.

 

Again, do I really need to provide you with this evidence? This is a well established fact. But if you want I can. 

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

And you're still avoiding the question. Go figure. No arguments. 

I gave you many sources describing the evidence of Russian interference.  You didn't want to read them.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

Again, do I really need to provide you with this evidence? This is a well established fact. But if you want I can. 

Any chance of you returning to the topic under discussion?

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I gave you many sources describing the evidence of Russian interference.  You didn't want to read them.

The Russian interference is described in the indictments tumama is desperately trying to prevent anyone discussing.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, tumama said:

 

So post that evidence here then. You can't because you don't have it. 

Go read the indictments.

 

You know, the indictments that relate to the subject under discussion.

[JHolmesJr]

On 7/14/2018 at 12:39 PM, jb61 said:

but, wait, in 2016 Obama said it was impossible to hack the U.S. election. And he also stated that Russia did NOT

hack the election.

 

 

 

He sounds like a fool now, doesn;t he? 

Whatever suits him at the moment is true....if it doesn;t then its not.

Edited July 15, 2018 by JHolmesJr

[tumama]

3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

He sounds like a fool now, doesn;t he? 

Whatever suits him at the moment is true....if it doesn;t then its not.

 

I don't think, even the die hard anti Russians here, claims the election was hacked. 

Edited July 15, 2018 by tumama

[heybruce]

12 minutes ago, tumama said:

 

Show evidence, stay on topic. Which one is it?

 

Yeah you did:

You can't provide evidence and stay on topic?  I'm not surprised.

 

You didn't reply to the post in which troll was mentioned.