Divorce and property abroad

catman20 · July 21, 2018

6 hours ago, SteveB2 said:

Gentlemen. You're thinking way too complicated here...

This is a war you are getting into - don't expect the other side to play nice.

Most women under the advice of their lawyers and schooled by their friends will be plotting to bleed you dry in any way they can.

This is truly a 'burn your bridges' event. There's no going back. Do not expect any kindness to be shown by the other side at all.

In which instance, below is the correct procedure to follow in most countries to end up with a solution that you control at all times.

There's nothing illegal here. Read on.

Immediately have a meeting with and retain a high end lawyer to handle your divorce paperwork in you’re soon to be x-wife's country of residence...
In the capital city. Specializing in divorce.

Nowhere near your x-home town where the missus lives.

Leave the lawyer with at least USD1,000 to cover any admin duties you may wish them to carry out.

You're not planning any court appearance of course.

Quietly liquidize everything into cash.

Take loans out or lease out stuff you can't liquidize (cars, boats, land, property, whatever) and turn into cash.

Drain all your bank accounts down into cash.

Do the same both here and in your home country.
Discover independent safety deposit boxes.

Obviously choose a secure discrete provider who's been in business for a century or so.

Move the cash somewhere safe offshore.
Maintain proof of the cash withdrawals in case you need to show 'proof of source'

High end bankers/Xpat financial planners can help with this type of planning - It’s a very common request.

Finally, plan an extended holiday in a country outside the jurisdiction you wife lives in
Move to the new country

Immediately trigger the divorce via the high end lawyer retained in your x-wife’s country.

Your new country of temporary residence should be somewhere on the other side of the world.

Plan on being there around 6-9 months at least.

New facebook and social media ID for the new you.

This new country should have other countries bordering that are desirable to holiday in too.

Go cash only (no credit cards) so as to not leave an electronic trail.

Continue to answer any court letters via your lawyer (nothing direct from yourself) with ref to the divorce procedures.
Ensure the court understands that you are hard up and are living with friends

That you don't have any money for an air ticket or anywhere to stay near the court.

They are not going to pay for you to travel so as to attend a civil proceeding... of course

Any lawyers on your wife's side quickly loose interest since there is nothing to go after.

Finally, once it has all blown through and the divorce is finalized, then for at least a year or so...

Avoid returning to the country where your x-missus lives

Avoid contact with anyone she knows.

I hope this advice helps. Worked like a charm for me. Cheers.

or better still dont get married, going through all that crap will put you in a early grave.

somtumwrong · July 22, 2018

15 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If she's earning 100k/month, she should be giving you money.

OP, what exactly are you paying her for?

(Hopefully your answer won't be access to her vagina)

With the 10K, she pays for our food, bills, just normal life expenses. She often buys me clothes. I earn much more than her, so it feels only right to pay for my own part ? And no, not from the bar scene. I have lived here 5 years but never had a bargirl ?

Edited July 22, 2018 by somtumwrong

smotherb · July 22, 2018

On 7/15/2018 at 8:39 PM, somtumwrong said:

Thanks, but it looks like a Thai wife (ex) can claim for your foreign property in your country as well, saw some posts about it for an Aussie and a UK guy, but not sure if this is really the case. I guess it's up to the wife if she realizes what she has to do to claim her part in your country. I think for my part (I'm married, but I don't believe in never ending love stories), I will just transfer 90% of my assets to my adult kids, and live off the dividends. The only thing you can really trust are your own kids, actually. I mean if you always took care of them and they care for you ?

Well, I think your statement about the rareness of never-ending love is pretty valid--it may be more so with wives/husbands, but children/parents can also be self-serving.

smotherb · July 22, 2018

On 7/15/2018 at 8:39 PM, somtumwrong said:

Thanks, but it looks like a Thai wife (ex) can claim for your foreign property in your country as well, saw some posts about it for an Aussie and a UK guy, but not sure if this is really the case. I guess it's up to the wife if she realizes what she has to do to claim her part in your country. I think for my part (I'm married, but I don't believe in never ending love stories), I will just transfer 90% of my assets to my adult kids, and live off the dividends. The only thing you can really trust are your own kids, actually. I mean if you always took care of them and they care for you ?

I think you are correct; the wife may get half of your Thai as well as half of your home country/worldly assets, or whatever is a legal distribution of assets in your country--if the marriage was registered in your country and your wife is knowledgeable enough to seek legal advice from your country.

smotherb · July 22, 2018

10 hours ago, SteveB2 said:

Gentlemen. You're thinking way too complicated here...

This is a war you are getting into - don't expect the other side to play nice.

Most women under the advice of their lawyers and schooled by their friends will be plotting to bleed you dry in any way they can.

This is truly a 'burn your bridges' event. There's no going back. Do not expect any kindness to be shown by the other side at all.

In which instance, below is the correct procedure to follow in most countries to end up with a solution that you control at all times.

There's nothing illegal here. Read on.

Immediately have a meeting with and retain a high end lawyer to handle your divorce paperwork in you’re soon to be x-wife's country of residence...
In the capital city. Specializing in divorce.

Nowhere near your x-home town where the missus lives.

Leave the lawyer with at least USD1,000 to cover any admin duties you may wish them to carry out.

You're not planning any court appearance of course.

Quietly liquidize everything into cash.

Take loans out or lease out stuff you can't liquidize (cars, boats, land, property, whatever) and turn into cash.

Drain all your bank accounts down into cash.

Do the same both here and in your home country.
Discover independent safety deposit boxes.

Obviously choose a secure discrete provider who's been in business for a century or so.

Move the cash somewhere safe offshore.
Maintain proof of the cash withdrawals in case you need to show 'proof of source'

High end bankers/Xpat financial planners can help with this type of planning - It’s a very common request.

Finally, plan an extended holiday in a country outside the jurisdiction you wife lives in
Move to the new country

Immediately trigger the divorce via the high end lawyer retained in your x-wife’s country.

Your new country of temporary residence should be somewhere on the other side of the world.

Plan on being there around 6-9 months at least.

New facebook and social media ID for the new you.

This new country should have other countries bordering that are desirable to holiday in too.

Go cash only (no credit cards) so as to not leave an electronic trail.

Continue to answer any court letters via your lawyer (nothing direct from yourself) with ref to the divorce procedures.
Ensure the court understands that you are hard up and are living with friends

That you don't have any money for an air ticket or anywhere to stay near the court.

They are not going to pay for you to travel so as to attend a civil proceeding... of course

Any lawyers on your wife's side quickly loose interest since there is nothing to go after.

Finally, once it has all blown through and the divorce is finalized, then for at least a year or so...

Avoid returning to the country where your x-missus lives

Avoid contact with anyone she knows.

I hope this advice helps. Worked like a charm for me. Cheers.

I think your advice is necessary in many cases, if not most. However, there are other complications. I have two ex-wives; fortunately, there was no animosity between either of them and me. In the first divorce, neither of us had anything; so division of property was a moot point. In the second divorce, we decided on an equitable division of property and sought the same lawyer. In Florida, an uncontested divorce can/could be had in 30 days. After meeting with the lawyer, we went back to the house we still shared. She got a phone call from the lawyer. He told her he could get her a much better deal; she asked him to hold on a minute and told me. I got on the phone and asked him to repeat what he had just said. He stuttered a bit; I then asked him if he knew a good lawyer, because he was going to need one. We received our divorce in record time, pro bono.

somtumwrong · July 22, 2018

12 minutes ago, smotherb said:

I think you are correct; the wife may get half of your Thai as well as half of your home country/worldly assets, or whatever is a legal distribution of assets in your country--if the marriage was registered in your country and your wife is knowledgeable enough to seek legal advice from your country.

Well, I'm going to get legal advice in a few weeks to write my will and to get the recommendations on how to protect my assets and arrange an optimal taxation for myself, so I will find out and no longer have to guess.

The good thing is my wife has the two key qualities of a Thai woman:

Clever like a fox with the brain of a goldfish
Attention span of a fruit fly

Sorry, could not help telling this. Still, I love her very much and I'm very happy with her ?

soistalker · July 22, 2018

I suggest you lie. Tell her that you have no assets back home and you are receiving a pension each month that ends when you die. Consider this murder prevention. Buy your condo in foreigner or company name. Do not let her have access to the documents ever.

But I think you should consider renting, not owning, if you know what I mean (wink wink nudge nudge ).

BritManToo · July 22, 2018

6 hours ago, somtumwrong said:

I have lived here 5 years but never had a bargirl ?

1

I've had loads and they were all lots of fun.

You're missing out!

BTB1977 · July 22, 2018

Do the village wedding only. No problem. And put any cars and scooters in your name. No need to buy a house. Many here for rent. If she disagrees with any of that big red flag. Run. Now on the plus side of this , if after many years together you can always set up a trust in your own county and can leave monies and have monthly payments sent to her through this trust fund. A one time large payment will only be spent within a few months and gone .

tryasimight · July 22, 2018

17 hours ago, SteveB2 said:

Gentlemen. You're thinking way too complicated here...

This is a war you are getting into - don't expect the other side to play nice.

Most women under the advice of their lawyers and schooled by their friends will be plotting to bleed you dry in any way they can.

This is truly a 'burn your bridges' event. There's no going back. Do not expect any kindness to be shown by the other side at all.

In which instance, below is the correct procedure to follow in most countries to end up with a solution that you control at all times.

There's nothing illegal here. Read on.

Immediately have a meeting with and retain a high end lawyer to handle your divorce paperwork in you’re soon to be x-wife's country of residence...
In the capital city. Specializing in divorce.

Nowhere near your x-home town where the missus lives.

Leave the lawyer with at least USD1,000 to cover any admin duties you may wish them to carry out.

You're not planning any court appearance of course.

Quietly liquidize everything into cash.

Take loans out or lease out stuff you can't liquidize (cars, boats, land, property, whatever) and turn into cash.

Drain all your bank accounts down into cash.

Do the same both here and in your home country.
Discover independent safety deposit boxes.

Obviously choose a secure discrete provider who's been in business for a century or so.

Move the cash somewhere safe offshore.
Maintain proof of the cash withdrawals in case you need to show 'proof of source'

High end bankers/Xpat financial planners can help with this type of planning - It’s a very common request.

Finally, plan an extended holiday in a country outside the jurisdiction you wife lives in
Move to the new country

Immediately trigger the divorce via the high end lawyer retained in your x-wife’s country.

Your new country of temporary residence should be somewhere on the other side of the world.

Plan on being there around 6-9 months at least.

New facebook and social media ID for the new you.

This new country should have other countries bordering that are desirable to holiday in too.

Go cash only (no credit cards) so as to not leave an electronic trail.

Continue to answer any court letters via your lawyer (nothing direct from yourself) with ref to the divorce procedures.
Ensure the court understands that you are hard up and are living with friends

That you don't have any money for an air ticket or anywhere to stay near the court.

They are not going to pay for you to travel so as to attend a civil proceeding... of course

Any lawyers on your wife's side quickly loose interest since there is nothing to go after.

Finally, once it has all blown through and the divorce is finalized, then for at least a year or so...

Avoid returning to the country where your x-missus lives

Avoid contact with anyone she knows.

I hope this advice helps. Worked like a charm for me. Cheers.

A forensic accountant would take a very short time to rip this plan to shreds in Australia. You're not the first and won't be the last to try and hide assets. I know an accountant who specialises in this area and " he always gets his man".

somtumwrong · July 22, 2018

3 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

A forensic accountant would take a very short time to rip this plan to shreds in Australia. You're not the first and won't be the last to try and hide assets. I know an accountant who specialises in this area and " he always gets his man".

I think better to act like an alcoholic, look like an alcoholic. Get fake tats, smell like alcohol when meeting. Smoke. Keep your mouth a little open, slow eye movement. Have many credit card withdrawals in red light / bar areas. Talk slowly. Take a tattooed girlfriend from Pattaya and make her join you if you meet any lawyer / court. Make her use the high heels stuff. Look and act like a loser. Lose your temper, get angry. Look like a wife beater.

I think they give up as they see nothing smart to outsmart.

Toscano · July 23, 2018

First I would advise don't marry a Thai woman , especially if you are already worrying about divorce , don't allow yourself to be shamed into it .

Thai women only marry a foreigner for money and security , Thais do not have the same concept of love as western people .

Bar girls may be sexy , don't marry them ; but however beautiful , Thai women in general are not sexy , only to look at .

If you are 50yrs or more my advice is to get a retirement visa , it means you have to deposit in a Thai Bank Bt800,000 or have income of Bt65,000 monthly or more , or deposit Bt400,000 + income of Bt40,000 per month . Annual extension of Visa each year will be FAR LESS paperwork and bother .

In the event that you decide to marry a Thai woman , you can then have a Thai village wedding that is not legally binding , has no strings attached .

If the relationship doesn't work out you can pack your bags and go without any formal divorce . You can buy a condominium ; but do not buy a house which effectively a wife/gf would own , far better to lease/rent a house or apartment which you can walk away from .

Another option is to live in a wife or girlfriend's own house , you might have to spend money to modernize or renovate .

davjensteph · July 23, 2018

if you get married in thailand and dont register it in uk she not entitled to anything in uk..

anything u buy after u get married in thailand she is entitled to 50%...

The manic · July 23, 2018

On 7/15/2018 at 11:42 PM, AlexRich said:

Some on here might view your post as being a bit cynical but as far as I'm concerned you have to prepare for all eventualities. I sometimes post on a share bulletin board and one of the posters mentioned that two friends married Thais, brought them over to the UK, after a short time they divorced them and marched off with the lion's share of the assets. They were schooled in the divorce laws by other Thais that they met in the UK. Not a huge issue if you are under 30, because you can recover, but not for men who are 50 plus. At that age the heart should never rule the head.

Very Very true. Its been happening for decades in the USA. Feminist activists hating to see a happy man with an Asian women. The Thai advisors will take a big cut. Never take a Thai wife back home. Especially Australia, USA or UK.

SteveB2 · July 23, 2018

On 7/22/2018 at 5:04 PM, tryasimight said:

A forensic accountant would take a very short time to rip this plan to shreds in Australia. You're not the first and won't be the last to try and hide assets. I know an accountant who specialises in this area and " he always gets his man".

Nah. Been there and done it - The process works like a charm.

Consider... that nowadays, these financial forensic scientists you mentioned spend all there times sitting in front of computers searching through databases trying to trace stuff - They don't travel anywhere unless someone is paying their expenses up front.

Plus, I haven't found a single computer program or financial peaked hat anywhere in the world that can see the money I have in my pocket or in the desk draw right now.

Not even FINCEN can do that - I worked against that clockwork orange a few years ago moving properly earned legal 'white' money through nasty jurisdictions hell bent on confiscating one's hard earned gains for no good reason.

In the end, it appears that all the worlds financial control mechanisms set up to catch dodgy drugs money and money laundering only end up only catching thousands of 'Jenny Homemaker & Johney Wageslips' trying to save a bit of cash off the books for their retirement or a holiday. They never catch the real financial fraudster kingpins. They know the system inside out and get away with defrauding thousands of people. The system is quite unfair.

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