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7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"It was quite emotional for me to be able pass those messages back,” he added.

Even more so that they proved surplus to requirements.

I’m very proud of you squad, you were the real heroes. Salute, salute!!! 

Each and every person had a job to do under difficult and very stressful circumstances during this rescue.

That is why each and every one of them is a Hero , from the British Cave Divers, Thai Navy Seals, to the team that kept them all fed and watered, and the lady that mended the socks

 No one set of rescuers is better than anybody else! they were all absolutely brilliant.

Now that the rescue has been miraculously succeeded and and the recriminations have not yet been all sussed out , who pays for all of this? International Rescue teams? helicopters, thousands of staffs? Overtime?

Climbing a mountain
Skiing off piste
“Going into a cave”
Diving
Parachuting
Flying in a squirrel suit

An all the rest of the dangerous and exciting pursuits are very exciting, but should the whole society have to pay for the fabulous activities of Evil Knievel daredevils? From now
on it should be case closed on caves and known that anyone who goes beyond the normal lighted and footpath marked sections of KNOWN tourist caves is on their own responsibilities and there will be no free rescue. Let them buy insurance for that!


I’m not paying Taxes here so it does not cost me but as an American I’m dead tired of big government picking my pocket to pay for the poor decisions made by people with bad judgment and no money or insurance.

That's the difference between Americans and the rest of the world, the rest of the world has a heart.

And while we are at it, who the heck should pay for Americas bombing campaigns against the world. Keeneow

Now that the rescue has been miraculously succeeded and and the recriminations have not yet been all sussed out , who pays for all of this? International Rescue teams? helicopters, thousands of staffs? Overtime?

 

Climbing a mountain

Skiing off piste

“Going into a cave”

Diving

Parachuting

Flying in a squirrel suit

 

An all the rest of the dangerous and exciting pursuits are very exciting, but should the whole society have to pay for the fabulous activities of Evil Knievel daredevils? From now

on it should be case closed on caves and known that anyone who goes beyond the normal lighted and footpath marked sections of KNOWN tourist caves is on their own responsibilities and there will be no free rescue. Let them buy insurance for that!

 

 

I’m not paying Taxes here so it does not cost me but as an American I’m dead tired of big government picking my pocket to pay for the poor decisions made by people with bad judgment and no money or insurance.

 

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The rest of the world has a heart? What rubbish!
Why don’t you go to the local Indian, Chinese,or Arab and ask for some money?

But thanks for bringing up the biggest problem. The “world” does not need a policeman and the US military could be cut 90 percent with no effect on the US security, it is more about corporate welfare and providing “do” work for the uneducated.

It is not like some kids fell into a hole by accident. Nobody is more relieved than me they were rescued it really is a miracle but let’s be serious the team had no business going down there lead by an inexperienced adult no less.

7 hours ago, robblok said:

I disagree, the goverment acted quite well and a capable man was put in charge. You can't expect them to have a team of cave divers ready. The seals were heroes they did more then support the foreign divers they went in before the foreign divers. They played a roll just as big and thankfully ego was not important otherwise the foreign divers would not have been allowed to help. They knew the foreign divers were better trained so they used them, that is what you do work with the best tools available.

 

If you think the divers were heroes.. your right.. but without the Thai support of pumping the water away even your hero divers would not have succeeded. Does that mean they only supported the pump people ?. Just accept it was a team effort instead of the misplaced pride that people get for the deeds of others. (cheering the foreigners just because they were foreigners)

Once again those involved have risen above the average man. None of them are claiming hero status. They recognize, as you have pointed out, that it was a team effort and each played an essential role. The article pointed out that it took 2,000 people each day to make this mission a success. Credit goes to these people for getting the job done and then moving on with a feeling of accomplishment and pride in their efforts without all of the clamoring for all of the credit.

6 hours ago, UncleRico said:

Who writes this crap?

• ABC NEWS
• By MATT GUTMAN, ROBERT ZEPEDA, LAUREN EFFRON
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Team effort for sure. But the rare skill sets supplied by certain foereign countries are what made this recue operation a fully successful one.

Maybe you should have followed the story a bit closer, they had lots of experience exploring that cave. Maybe their experience was the only thing that saved them. I live just a few kilometers from it myself and have visited it numerous times. S#it happens and they got trapped by sudden rising rushing waters while deep in the cave.

The rest of the world has a heart? What rubbish!
Why don’t you go to the local Indian, Chinese,or Arab and ask for some money?

But thanks for bringing up the biggest problem. The “world” does not need a policeman and the US military could be cut 90 percent with no effect on the US security, it is more about corporate welfare and providing “do” work for the uneducated.

It is not like some kids fell into a hole by accident. Nobody is more relieved than me they were rescued it really is a miracle but let’s be serious the team had no business going down there lead by an inexperienced adult no less.

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They had experience exploring the cave under normal conditions OK. If they had real experience like the Royal Thai navy Seals and western expert caver blokes who RESCUED them they would never go underground there that time of year without dive gear and backups.

 

Sorry I believe in In personal responsibility.

 

Stop spewing rubbish.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Now that the rescue has been miraculously succeeded and and the recriminations have not yet been all sussed out , who pays for all of this? International Rescue teams? helicopters, thousands of staffs? Overtime?

Climbing a mountain
Skiing off piste
“Going into a cave”
Diving
Parachuting
Flying in a squirrel suit

An all the rest of the dangerous and exciting pursuits are very exciting, but should the whole society have to pay for the fabulous activities of Evil Knievel daredevils? From now
on it should be case closed on caves and known that anyone who goes beyond the normal lighted and footpath marked sections of KNOWN tourist caves is on their own responsibilities and there will be no free rescue. Let them buy insurance for that!


I’m not paying Taxes here so it does not cost me but as an American I’m dead tired of big government picking my pocket to pay for the poor decisions made by people with bad judgment and no money or insurance.

I pay tax here and am delighted to have as much as needed spent on this. I am more dissapointed in having my taxi money build roads, install street lights, sweep the streets that people like you dont contribute to use.

How can I pay tax please!

Don’t count the automatic tax on my fixed accounts interest at Bangkok Bank I have 10 + millions invested.

I think I am paying tax indirectly on various just not income tax as I have no income here.

 

Not alone on this site.

10 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

Brave Men and have to say if it wasn't for them the Boys would not have survived.    Not enough has been done for them by the Thai Government, whilst they continue to pat themselves on the back for their own Seals, who actually only played a supporting roll !

That's a bit harsh trainman

It was a team effort all around and every one played an important roll... being support or even providing meals for the actual rescuers 

Maybe it has slipped your mind, but one of those "only support" seals gave his life while this recue was taking place

13 hours ago, rooster59 said:

It was a case of getting him out. A bit brutal but dead or alive”.

Dead or alive? I'm not sure I'd have been so brave as to put the child's life a risk. 

10 minutes ago, fullcave said:

Dead or alive? I'm not sure I'd have been so brave as to put the child's life a risk. 

 

What was the alternative?

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

 

What was the alternative?

Find a mask that fits? Just a guess.

Just now, fullcave said:

Find a mask that fits? Just a guess.

 

Given the time constraints it would not have been that easy.

 

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

 

Given the time constraints it would not have been that easy.

 

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Well, might have predicted as much, seeing how children normally need a child's mask. But anyway, I'm only saying I would not have been brave enough to take that gamble. No comment on safety procedures, organization or cave rescue management. They got them all out alive.

10 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

Your post leaves me with a nagging question that I cannot answer may be you can.

  I f the foreigners would not have helped   would the Thai's been able to save the boys? If they were left to their own resources would have they succeeded

 Think about it.

I wouldn't respond; he's just miffed there were no dutch in the mix (why would there be?). It was indeed a coming together of forces, but some folk on here get all silly and envious as soon as Brits are mentioned. They can do no good in their eyes.

Did any of the Brits in the rescue team wear a Chang wife-beater vest? Maybe we will have to wait for the movie. 

12 hours ago, robblok said:

I am not sure about that but I do know that without the Thai pumping efforts the foreigners would also not been able to save them. So I conclude it was a team effort. All parts had to work together, take one part out and it would have failed. 

Sure, the Thais were good at pumping.

I hope that Hollywood translate the Brit's English for the American theatres. Perhaps with subtitle? ?

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

What was the alternative?

There was no other alternative, methinks. ❓

5 hours ago, champers said:

Did any of the Brits in the rescue team wear a Chang wife-beater vest? Maybe we will have to wait for the movie. 

In the movie all the divers were watching a go go show in Pattaya when the phone rang .  And they barely managed to finish their drinks and leave the girls behind before they were on their way on a rescue mission. 

 

That's a start of a movie I do not want to see but you never know what Hollywood might end up with. 

 

 

 

21 hours ago, lvr181 said:

Hollywood produced = only USA persons  

Bet they manage to write in a "strong woman part". All Hollywood films these days seem to have a kickass female in them.

 

Well done to all involved, from the women that cooked for the rescuers to the rescuers themselves. This was a real team effort.

9 hours ago, fullcave said:

Dead or alive? I'm not sure I'd have been so brave as to put the child's life a risk. 

So, what would you have done? Left inside was going to be certain death. At least he had a chance of survival, and did survive.

9 hours ago, fullcave said:

Find a mask that fits? Just a guess.

It wasn't just any mask. It was a specialised mask, and they may not even make them that small, as children that young would not normally use one.

20 hours ago, robblok said:

I am not sure about that but I do know that without the Thai pumping efforts the foreigners would also not been able to save them. So I conclude it was a team effort. All parts had to work together, take one part out and it would have failed. 

The answer is almost certainly no they would not have been able to save them but the point you made about the Thai support is completely correct.  The point being that everyone played their part to the best of their ability and pulled off a staggeringly dangerous rescue.