Saudi Arabia expelling Canadian ambassador, freezing trade with Canada

[The Old Bull]

This whole thing may turn out good. Trudeau and his gang may see the need to get Alberta oil to the eastern refineries and get the pipe going through Quebec.

[whaleboneman]

1 hour ago, JCauto said:

Being viciously attacked by Trump only shows that you've bested him somehow or he dislikes you because you make him feel inadequate. Ivanka swooning over him, his out-manoeuvre on the handshake and his being far more popular worldwide just drives the Donald cray-cray. Besides, nobody takes him seriously any more, he's coming unhinged.

I don't believe the man had any hinges to start with.

[sirineou]

5 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

I hear Thor every time we have a thunderstorm.

HERESY !!  It is not Thor it is Zeus 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.

 

[pegman]

6 hours ago, sirineou said:

HERESY !!  It is not Thor it is Zeus 

I always hoped Dionysus would turn out to be the one true god. 

Seems like the Saudis are still in the 9/11 business

.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6032419/Saudi-Arabia-appears-threaten-Canada-9-11-style-attack.html?ito=email_share_article-top

Edited August 7, 2018 by pegman

[geriatrickid]

Another shortsighted move by the PMO. Hypocritical too. It's a blatant interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign country. He hasn't said similar in respect to China or Iran which has the blood of several Canadians on its hands. He mistakenly singled out the KSA because he thought they wouldn't respond.

When the Palestinian Authority, a close supporter and ally of the Trudeau government joins other arab countries to protest the Canadian action, it is a sure sign of a political screw up.

 

It is obvious why the Trudeau government did this. Canada will have an election within the year and the ruling Liberals are dropping in the polls. They have have bungled the NAFTA negotiations and need to drain as much support from the leftist NDP and to shore up support from their core supporters if they are to remain in power. This interference in the domestic affairs of the KSA is intended to attract the  left vote  by showing that the country supports human rights. The reality is that Canada could have achieved the goal without publicly attacking the KSA.

 

The potential costs will be significant and will hurt tens of thousands. The worst part is that it will achieve the exact opposite of what Trudeau says. Here's why;

 

- 12,000+ students from the KSA are in Canada. They are an important source of income to Canadian secondary education facilities, especially  universities.

As per the Globe and Mail;  Tuition and living expenses for foreign students vary by province and education program. A full-time Saudi student without Canadian citizenship attending a major school such as the University of British Columbia or University of Toronto would pay $30,000 to $80,000 for tuition and living expenses, depending on their area of study and whether they live on campus.  “For Canadian universities, this is a significant hit,” said Thomas Juneau, an assistant professor at the University of Ottawa’s Graduate School of Public and International Affairs. “Saudi Arabia is the fourth largest contingent of foreign students in this country.

 

Those high fees make it possible for Canadian students to receive bursaries and subsidized fees. Take out the millions of dollars of income from some universities and they are not going to be able to give money to Canadian students.

 

- Graduate students have been told to return to the KSA. In respect to the medical schools and hospitals, approximately 800 are  working as Fellows, residents and interns. If they pull out now, in peak summer holiday season, some hospitals will be in crisis mode without specialists to respond. There is a shortage of medical specialists and the loss of  of even a handful at a hospital can shutdown an ER, or surgery. Canadians will suffer, and  some will die.

 

- Attending Canadian universities and  Saudis being exposed to Canadians did far more for advancing human rights and the understanding of other cultures  than any amount of hot air political statements.

 

- Saudi Arabia is Canada’s largest trading partner in the Middle East and North Africa. It's not just the LAV deal  that could be lost, but tens of thousands of jobs. Thousands of  Canadians hold lucrative high paying jobs in KSA in addition to jobs tied to the  approx. annual  $1-$2 billion of exports to the KSA from Canada.

The loss of the KSA contract and the expected introduction of  US tariffs on Canada's auto sector, will put the Canadian economy into a tailspin and might  result in the loss of 50,000-100,000  good paying jobs.

 

21 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

this arms deal was political to appease voters in the manufacturing areas in Ontario. It provided jobs but at what price? - disgusting.

The Vehicles were nothing special, and the fact is that the KSA can  get them from other countries. The $15 billion order would keep Canadian manufacturing plants alive and high paying jobs for 3,000.  Those plants are needed for national security. Canada cannot afford to lose 3,000 highly skilled workers, nor see another plant close forcing Canada to purchase these vehicles from foreign sources. The KSA contract was in effect a subsidy for Canadians. It's arrogant to dismiss the livelihoods of those 3,000 workers and the people who's lives depend on them.

 

20 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

the only thing Trudeau has done right (and will be his legacy) is to legalize marijuana. 

Marijuana is not legalized and the laws that will apply are a mess. It will be a fiasco, because each province has the right to set its own laws in respect  to control, sale and enforcement rules. The Liberal government just passed one of the most draconian laws in the western world, and one that is  just as intrusive as the laws Trudeau is complaining about in the KSA. Canadian police no longer need to have reasonable grounds to suspect impairment. They will be able to demand a breath sample from any driver at any time, and critics including the Criminal Lawyers’ Association have warned that is unconstitutional and will lead to police discriminating against drivers of colour.

 

13 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

Maybe it is high time to hang Saudi Arabia outside to dry. If nobody buys their oil for, say, three to six months, the whole circus will collapse. The fidels need the West more than vice versa and it is time to show, who is who on the banana boat. 
Pissing onto Canada while creating havoc in Yemen - what do these idiots at the helm think, if at all? 

Get real. India and China are purchasing Iran's oil and they never stopped wven when there were sanctions. KSA as the world's largest producer can put the world economy into a depression if it jiggles with supply.   Sure it can cut its supply to the west driving up oil prices, but it can still sell to the countries who's manufacturing sectors compete with the west. You know what will happen right?

 

9 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

This whole thing may turn out good. Trudeau and his gang may see the need to get Alberta oil to the eastern refineries and get the pipe going through Quebec.

Won't happen. Quebec will have an election in the next year and much of the electorate is against a pipeline. The  massive inferno that incinerated 40+ at Lac Megantic was the turning point along with several  spills from the existing pipeline. The western pipeline may cost  Trudeau his BC majority, so he will   not push the issue.

 

The KSA is an important part of the Mid East peace solution. Having a confrontation of this nature with the KSA will not help that, More importantly, Canada needs the KSA, the KSA does not need Canada. With the  economic problems with the USA, and the growing national debt with the inflated costs of the Trudeau social program promises, Canada cannot afford to lose the KSA income. Bad political move and one that will  destroy the Canadian brand in the arab world, much more than the usual offering of empty platitudes about Israel.

In plain language, you can't insult the KSA like this and  not accept significant blowback.

 

I predict that Trudeau will have to apologize and to grovel. Really grovel, because he is way, way out of his league on this.

 

[billd766]

8 hours ago, sirineou said:

HERESY !!  It is not Thor it is Zeus 

 

Only if you are a Greek.

 

We are both correct.

 

http://mythologybattles.blogspot.com/2012/04/zeus-vs-thor.html

 

 

[from the home of CC]

2 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Another shortsighted move by the PMO. Hypocritical too. It's a blatant interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign country. He hasn't said similar in respect to China or Iran which has the blood of several Canadians on its hands. He mistakenly singled out the KSA because he thought they wouldn't respond.

When the Palestinian Authority, a close supporter and ally of the Trudeau government joins other arab countries to protest the Canadian action, it is a sure sign of a political screw up.

 

It is obvious why the Trudeau government did this. Canada will have an election within the year and the ruling Liberals are dropping in the polls. They have have bungled the NAFTA negotiations and need to drain as much support from the leftist NDP and to shore up support from their core supporters if they are to remain in power. This interference in the domestic affairs of the KSA is intended to attract the  left vote  by showing that the country supports human rights. The reality is that Canada could have achieved the goal without publicly attacking the KSA.

 

The potential costs will be significant and will hurt tens of thousands. The worst part is that it will achieve the exact opposite of what Trudeau says. Here's why;

 

- 12,000+ students from the KSA are in Canada. They are an important source of income to Canadian secondary education facilities, especially  universities.

As per the Globe and Mail;  Tuition and living expenses for foreign students vary by province and education program. A full-time Saudi student without Canadian citizenship attending a major school such as the University of British Columbia or University of Toronto would pay $30,000 to $80,000 for tuition and living expenses, depending on their area of study and whether they live on campus.  “For Canadian universities, this is a significant hit,” said Thomas Juneau, an assistant professor at the University of Ottawa’s Graduate School of Public and International Affairs. “Saudi Arabia is the fourth largest contingent of foreign students in this country.

 

Those high fees make it possible for Canadian students to receive bursaries and subsidized fees. Take out the millions of dollars of income from some universities and they are not going to be able to give money to Canadian students.

 

- Graduate students have been told to return to the KSA. In respect to the medical schools and hospitals, approximately 800 are  working as Fellows, residents and interns. If they pull out now, in peak summer holiday season, some hospitals will be in crisis mode without specialists to respond. There is a shortage of medical specialists and the loss of  of even a handful at a hospital can shutdown an ER, or surgery. Canadians will suffer, and  some will die.

 

- Attending Canadian universities and  Saudis being exposed to Canadians did far more for advancing human rights and the understanding of other cultures  than any amount of hot air political statements.

 

- Saudi Arabia is Canada’s largest trading partner in the Middle East and North Africa. It's not just the LAV deal  that could be lost, but tens of thousands of jobs. Thousands of  Canadians hold lucrative high paying jobs in KSA in addition to jobs tied to the  approx. annual  $1-$2 billion of exports to the KSA from Canada.

The loss of the KSA contract and the expected introduction of  US tariffs on Canada's auto sector, will put the Canadian economy into a tailspin and might  result in the loss of 50,000-100,000  good paying jobs.

 

The Vehicles were nothing special, and the fact is that the KSA can  get them from other countries. The $15 billion order would keep Canadian manufacturing plants alive and high paying jobs for 3,000.  Those plants are needed for national security. Canada cannot afford to lose 3,000 highly skilled workers, nor see another plant close forcing Canada to purchase these vehicles from foreign sources. The KSA contract was in effect a subsidy for Canadians. It's arrogant to dismiss the livelihoods of those 3,000 workers and the people who's lives depend on them.

 

Marijuana is not legalized and the laws that will apply are a mess. It will be a fiasco, because each province has the right to set its own laws in respect  to control, sale and enforcement rules. The Liberal government just passed one of the most draconian laws in the western world, and one that is  just as intrusive as the laws Trudeau is complaining about in the KSA. Canadian police no longer need to have reasonable grounds to suspect impairment. They will be able to demand a breath sample from any driver at any time, and critics including the Criminal Lawyers’ Association have warned that is unconstitutional and will lead to police discriminating against drivers of colour.

 

Get real. India and China are purchasing Iran's oil and they never stopped wven when there were sanctions. KSA as the world's largest producer can put the world economy into a depression if it jiggles with supply.   Sure it can cut its supply to the west driving up oil prices, but it can still sell to the countries who's manufacturing sectors compete with the west. You know what will happen right?

 

Won't happen. Quebec will have an election in the next year and much of the electorate is against a pipeline. The  massive inferno that incinerated 40+ at Lac Megantic was the turning point along with several  spills from the existing pipeline. The western pipeline may cost  Trudeau his BC majority, so he will   not push the issue.

 

The KSA is an important part of the Mid East peace solution. Having a confrontation of this nature with the KSA will not help that, More importantly, Canada needs the KSA, the KSA does not need Canada. With the  economic problems with the USA, and the growing national debt with the inflated costs of the Trudeau social program promises, Canada cannot afford to lose the KSA income. Bad political move and one that will  destroy the Canadian brand in the arab world, much more than the usual offering of empty platitudes about Israel.

In plain language, you can't insult the KSA like this and  not accept significant blowback.

 

I predict that Trudeau will have to apologize and to grovel. Really grovel, because he is way, way out of his league on this.

 

Saudi Arabia's state media on Monday tweeted a graphic appearing to show an Air Canada airliner heading toward the Toronto skyline in a way that recalled the September 11, 2001, terrorist hijackings of airliners that struck the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

The graphic warned of "Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong!" and included the text: "As the Arabic saying goes: 'He who interferes with what doesn't concern him finds what doesn't please him.'"

 

 

And you want to do business with these morons?

Edited August 7, 2018 by from the home of CC
grammatical error

[Snow Leopard]

On 8/6/2018 at 10:28 AM, My Thai Life said:

I don't know the full background to this story, but sanctions by the west against Saudi Arabia are long overdue. I've spent 5 years on and off in Saudi, and worked there with Arabs from every Arabic country, so I know the environment pretty well.

 

The spread of Saudi's Wahabbist version of Islam worldwide is in my view the single greatest cause of the rise of muslim terrorism. This spread is organised and very well financed.

 

We should all be following Canada's example.

 

 

 

 

 

Well said. It needs to be done the right way though. Even if you Nuked the place it would only set it back 20 or 30 years in real terms.

 

Saudi's are the most arrogant and rudest people on earth. Money. Money. Money. No class or manners at all.

 

 

[pegman]

1 hour ago, geriatrickid said:

Another shortsighted move by the PMO. Hypocritical too. It's a blatant interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign country. He hasn't said similar in respect to China or Iran which has the blood of several Canadians on its hands. He mistakenly singled out the KSA because he thought they wouldn't respond.

When the Palestinian Authority, a close supporter and ally of the Trudeau government joins other arab countries to protest the Canadian action, it is a sure sign of a political screw up.

 

It is obvious why the Trudeau government did this. Canada will have an election within the year and the ruling Liberals are dropping in the polls. They have have bungled the NAFTA negotiations and need to drain as much support from the leftist NDP and to shore up support from their core supporters if they are to remain in power. This interference in the domestic affairs of the KSA is intended to attract the  left vote  by showing that the country supports human rights. The reality is that Canada could have achieved the goal without publicly attacking the KSA.

 

The potential costs will be significant and will hurt tens of thousands. The worst part is that it will achieve the exact opposite of what Trudeau says. Here's why;

 

- 12,000+ students from the KSA are in Canada. They are an important source of income to Canadian secondary education facilities, especially  universities.

As per the Globe and Mail;  Tuition and living expenses for foreign students vary by province and education program. A full-time Saudi student without Canadian citizenship attending a major school such as the University of British Columbia or University of Toronto would pay $30,000 to $80,000 for tuition and living expenses, depending on their area of study and whether they live on campus.  “For Canadian universities, this is a significant hit,” said Thomas Juneau, an assistant professor at the University of Ottawa’s Graduate School of Public and International Affairs. “Saudi Arabia is the fourth largest contingent of foreign students in this country.

 

Those high fees make it possible for Canadian students to receive bursaries and subsidized fees. Take out the millions of dollars of income from some universities and they are not going to be able to give money to Canadian students.

 

- Graduate students have been told to return to the KSA. In respect to the medical schools and hospitals, approximately 800 are  working as Fellows, residents and interns. If they pull out now, in peak summer holiday season, some hospitals will be in crisis mode without specialists to respond. There is a shortage of medical specialists and the loss of  of even a handful at a hospital can shutdown an ER, or surgery. Canadians will suffer, and  some will die.

 

- Attending Canadian universities and  Saudis being exposed to Canadians did far more for advancing human rights and the understanding of other cultures  than any amount of hot air political statements.

 

- Saudi Arabia is Canada’s largest trading partner in the Middle East and North Africa. It's not just the LAV deal  that could be lost, but tens of thousands of jobs. Thousands of  Canadians hold lucrative high paying jobs in KSA in addition to jobs tied to the  approx. annual  $1-$2 billion of exports to the KSA from Canada.

The loss of the KSA contract and the expected introduction of  US tariffs on Canada's auto sector, will put the Canadian economy into a tailspin and might  result in the loss of 50,000-100,000  good paying jobs.

 

The Vehicles were nothing special, and the fact is that the KSA can  get them from other countries. The $15 billion order would keep Canadian manufacturing plants alive and high paying jobs for 3,000.  Those plants are needed for national security. Canada cannot afford to lose 3,000 highly skilled workers, nor see another plant close forcing Canada to purchase these vehicles from foreign sources. The KSA contract was in effect a subsidy for Canadians. It's arrogant to dismiss the livelihoods of those 3,000 workers and the people who's lives depend on them.

 

Marijuana is not legalized and the laws that will apply are a mess. It will be a fiasco, because each province has the right to set its own laws in respect  to control, sale and enforcement rules. The Liberal government just passed one of the most draconian laws in the western world, and one that is  just as intrusive as the laws Trudeau is complaining about in the KSA. Canadian police no longer need to have reasonable grounds to suspect impairment. They will be able to demand a breath sample from any driver at any time, and critics including the Criminal Lawyers’ Association have warned that is unconstitutional and will lead to police discriminating against drivers of colour.

 

Get real. India and China are purchasing Iran's oil and they never stopped wven when there were sanctions. KSA as the world's largest producer can put the world economy into a depression if it jiggles with supply.   Sure it can cut its supply to the west driving up oil prices, but it can still sell to the countries who's manufacturing sectors compete with the west. You know what will happen right?

 

Won't happen. Quebec will have an election in the next year and much of the electorate is against a pipeline. The  massive inferno that incinerated 40+ at Lac Megantic was the turning point along with several  spills from the existing pipeline. The western pipeline may cost  Trudeau his BC majority, so he will   not push the issue.

 

The KSA is an important part of the Mid East peace solution. Having a confrontation of this nature with the KSA will not help that, More importantly, Canada needs the KSA, the KSA does not need Canada. With the  economic problems with the USA, and the growing national debt with the inflated costs of the Trudeau social program promises, Canada cannot afford to lose the KSA income. Bad political move and one that will  destroy the Canadian brand in the arab world, much more than the usual offering of empty platitudes about Israel.

In plain language, you can't insult the KSA like this and  not accept significant blowback.

 

I predict that Trudeau will have to apologize and to grovel. Really grovel, because he is way, way out of his league on this.

 

What nonsense. Time to cut back on the THC Spicoli. First off, Young Justine has been up in the polls recently owing to how he put Trump in his place. Lose 100,000 jobs?  You must be stoned out of your mind.  As for the would be Wahhabi Jihadists in our schools good riddance. Canada is not and never will be dependent on a country with less than half our GDP. The order books at the LAV London plant, which I know and where I've done walk abouts, can do without the Saudi blood money. It's disgusting Harpo ever approved of that contract in the first place. Like the traitor Harpo you want to sell out our farmers to American government produced dairy products. The pot laws going to the provinces is exactly like the booze laws now. Just more of your disinformation or FAKE NEWS!

[pegman]

18 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

Saudi Arabia's state media on Monday tweeted a graphic appearing to show an Air Canada airliner heading toward the Toronto skyline in a way that recalled the September 11, 2001, terrorist hijackings of airliners that struck the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

The graphic warned of "Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong!" and included the text: "As the Arabic saying goes: 'He who interferes with what doesn't concern him finds what doesn't please him.'"

 

 

And you want to do business with these morons?

I think he just gets off denigrating Canada.  Him and another clown on here are always at it.

[from the home of CC]

This whole arms supply deal was a purely a political move by the previous government (trying to win votes in SW Ontario) After the human right violations in Yemen  and the internal ones in Saudi, Canadians started to wake up. Canada will not back down now, nor they should.

[from the home of CC]

Oh, and BTW, on Oct 17 the weed will be freed. I joined NORML in 1969 and it's been a long time coming but finally Canadians realized that letting organized crime make billions was the wrong approach.

[roobaa01]

so womens rights caused the diplomatic row thus islam does not allow for such rights or fights for it.

as we know islam suppresses female rights like the muslim men guardianship for women is a stoneage relict but present in muslim society.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[from the home of CC]

I've trained Kuwaitis, Saudis and Iraqis, and from what I've observed and heard this basically stems from deep seated male insecurity. 

[lanista]

If  it weren't for the Brits finding oil in Saudi Arabia  in the 1920's the Arabs would still be sitting around in the desert picking their noses  and chopping off  their daughters heads for smiling at a boy.

Dick merchants.

Atleast they still have the Americans as allies.

 

..............its always good to be home among friends"

George  W Bush senior,

after a MIddle East visit some years back.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, lanista said:

If  it weren't for the Brits finding oil in Saudi Arabia  in the 1920's the Arabs would still be sitting around in the desert picking their noses  and chopping off  their daughters heads for smiling at a boy.

Dick merchants.

Atleast they still have the Americans as allies.

 

..............its always good to be home among friends"

George  W Bush senior,

after a MIddle East visit some years back.

 

The USA needs friends like Saudi Arabia?

 

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

[geriatrickid]

15 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

Saudi Arabia's state media on Monday tweeted a graphic appearing to show an Air Canada airliner heading toward the Toronto skyline in a way that recalled the September 11, 2001, terrorist hijackings of airliners that struck the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

The graphic warned of "Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong!" and included the text: "As the Arabic saying goes: 'He who interferes with what doesn't concern him finds what doesn't please him.'"

 

And you want to do business with these morons?

 

The tweet came from a small group that does not represent the government.

They quickly apologized, pulled the  tweet   and explained the intent. The Saudi government  quickly banned their twitter account and repudiated the  childish posting. Why not present that information as well?

 

[geriatrickid]

The costs for Canada are growing.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/08/07/canada-saudi-arabia-feud-could-suck-billions-out-of-canadian-economy_a_23497858/?uccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw&guce_referrer_cs=_Rypu07XFjodGN8UwlwiNA

 

I was incorrect when I referenced the number of  Saudi students as 12,000. The CBC was reporting 20,000 in total, but the universities have said 16,000. Their immediate withdrawal and cancellation of Saudi funding will decimate Canada's universities. There is no immediate replacement for that funding and because of that, Canadian students looking for bursaries and grants for the next year will not be getting them as the  tens of millions of dollars provided by the Saudis won't be there.

 

Who's going to replace the $100 million of  core agricultural exports to the KSA from Canada because they are no longer allowed.? There is another $100 million of processed foods not going there.

 

1000+ Canadian oil workers  are waiting to learn if they will be in the first wave of  labour permit cancellations. Where are they to go to gain  these wages?

 

Bloomberg reports that Saudi Arabia has invested about $6 billion in Canadian businesses since 2006. How will Trudeau replace this if the Saudis have a fire sale? The Saudis hold Canadian debt and can dump it.

 

The KSA is about to undertake a massive diversification of its economy including privatization of its oil industry, Canada was well placed to take on part of the  privatization. Now its financial institutions and specialists  are excluded. Gone are the economic opportunities. Gone are the  hundreds of millions of fees that would have been gained by the Canadian financial services sector.

 

The  attempt to bully the KSA is pure hypocrisy because of Canada's refusal to take a tougher line with Iran. It has been remarkably quiet with Pakistani abuses, and it has said  nothing on the abuse rampant in Africa  and done nothing about  Haiti. Trudeau has done nothing to help the Canadian families of victims of the Iranian regime. Yet, he bleats on about  his hyped womens rights issues. This was his miscalculation when his strategists sought to give him a PR opportunity. he thought he could push around a Saudi prince and he  was wrong.

 

Wait until   medical care suffers when the  medical residents and fellows  withdraw. You can't replace a research fellow at a teaching hospital overnight, especially when  there are only a handful on staff. Specialty units are already strapped for specialists because of budget costs and now the provincial  healthcare systems will lose tens of millions in income and qualified personnel. Brilliant. Wait until the  northern  and First Nation communities lose access to these specialists.

 

So far, none of the people  supporting this fabricated dispute with the KSA  has addressed the economic and social  costs of this dispute. Worse still, they offer no solution for the thousands of workers and their thousands of dependents who depend upon the  KSA related economic opportunities. Yes, this plays well to the usual crowd, but it will cost the  Liberal government big in southern Ontario, in the regions where where the oil workers are sourced like Newfoundland, on Bay street which will lose opportunities,  and even in Quebec , the home of SNC Lavalin which has a large contract with the KSA. Another lost  market for Canada's embattled auto industry too. And for what?  A blogger who just couldn't shut up. This was going to be settled, but no, Trudeau had to try for political points.

 

And btw, the Canadian government is now finding out the hard way how  the big boys do it because both the USA,  and  the UK have said, sorry bro, can't help. The EU  hasn't helped either.  The end result is that Canada is now begging the UAE for assistance. That help will come at a cost. Most likely the UAE airlines will gain greater access to Canadian airports because of Canada's desperation. More damage to Canadian economic interests thanks to Trudeau.

 

The KSA isn't perfect, but picking a fight in this manner and insulting the ruler is just wrong.  The crown Prince is  intelligent, educated and more wily than  Trudeau and his urban clique. He has to work in a very  difficult  environment  balancing radicals against fundamentalists. He should be helped to making the KSA better, not insulted and  undercut by  western bullies who do not understand the  man's predicament.

[Hummin]

On 8/6/2018 at 2:51 PM, nobodysfriend said:

You are right except for one thing : -------" The Saudi nation is the true enemy of the planet"------ The planet is not political , it is a ( once ) balanced ecosystem and mankind is it's enemy ...

It is the mankind that is at treath, not the planet! The planet will survive with us or without us, and eco system will always struggle to be in balance, no matter what. Timewise whe have only been her short time!

Edited August 7, 2018 by Hummin

[stevenl]

53 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

The costs for Canada are growing.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/08/07/canada-saudi-arabia-feud-could-suck-billions-out-of-canadian-economy_a_23497858/?uccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw&guce_referrer_cs=_Rypu07XFjodGN8UwlwiNA

 

I was incorrect when I referenced the number of  Saudi students as 12,000. The CBC was reporting 20,000 in total, but the universities have said 16,000. Their immediate withdrawal and cancellation of Saudi funding will decimate Canada's universities. There is no immediate replacement for that funding and because of that, Canadian students looking for bursaries and grants for the next year will not be getting them as the  tens of millions of dollars provided by the Saudis won't be there.

 

Who's going to replace the $100 million of  core agricultural exports to the KSA from Canada because they are no longer allowed.? There is another $100 million of processed foods not going there.

 

1000+ Canadian oil workers  are waiting to learn if they will be in the first wave of  labour permit cancellations. Where are they to go to gain  these wages?

 

Bloomberg reports that Saudi Arabia has invested about $6 billion in Canadian businesses since 2006. How will Trudeau replace this if the Saudis have a fire sale? The Saudis hold Canadian debt and can dump it.

 

The KSA is about to undertake a massive diversification of its economy including privatization of its oil industry, Canada was well placed to take on part of the  privatization. Now its financial institutions and specialists  are excluded. Gone are the economic opportunities. Gone are the  hundreds of millions of fees that would have been gained by the Canadian financial services sector.

 

The  attempt to bully the KSA is pure hypocrisy because of Canada's refusal to take a tougher line with Iran. It has been remarkably quiet with Pakistani abuses, and it has said  nothing on the abuse rampant in Africa  and done nothing about  Haiti. Trudeau has done nothing to help the Canadian families of victims of the Iranian regime. Yet, he bleats on about  his hyped womens rights issues. This was his miscalculation when his strategists sought to give him a PR opportunity. he thought he could push around a Saudi prince and he  was wrong.

 

Wait until   medical care suffers when the  medical residents and fellows  withdraw. You can't replace a research fellow at a teaching hospital overnight, especially when  there are only a handful on staff. Specialty units are already strapped for specialists because of budget costs and now the provincial  healthcare systems will lose tens of millions in income and qualified personnel. Brilliant. Wait until the  northern  and First Nation communities lose access to these specialists.

 

So far, none of the people  supporting this fabricated dispute with the KSA  has addressed the economic and social  costs of this dispute. Worse still, they offer no solution for the thousands of workers and their thousands of dependents who depend upon the  KSA related economic opportunities. Yes, this plays well to the usual crowd, but it will cost the  Liberal government big in southern Ontario, in the regions where where the oil workers are sourced like Newfoundland, on Bay street which will lose opportunities,  and even in Quebec , the home of SNC Lavalin which has a large contract with the KSA. Another lost  market for Canada's embattled auto industry too. And for what?  A blogger who just couldn't shut up. This was going to be settled, but no, Trudeau had to try for political points.

 

And btw, the Canadian government is now finding out the hard way how  the big boys do it because both the USA,  and  the UK have said, sorry bro, can't help. The EU  hasn't helped either.  The end result is that Canada is now begging the UAE for assistance. That help will come at a cost. Most likely the UAE airlines will gain greater access to Canadian airports because of Canada's desperation. More damage to Canadian economic interests thanks to Trudeau.

 

The KSA isn't perfect, but picking a fight in this manner and insulting the ruler is just wrong.  The crown Prince is  intelligent, educated and more wily than  Trudeau and his urban clique. He has to work in a very  difficult  environment  balancing radicals against fundamentalists. He should be helped to making the KSA better, not insulted and  undercut by  western bullies who do not understand the  man's predicament.

There we go, admitting your issues with this are due to your Israel ideas, therefore anti Iran, therefore pro SA.

 

And that is what it comes down to, a fight over hegenomy of the middle east.

Edited August 8, 2018 by stevenl

[car720]

On 8/7/2018 at 12:42 AM, billd766 said:

 

I hear Thor every time we have a thunderstorm.

Damn and all this time I thought it was  my wife and baked beans.  

[Canuckabroad]

1 hour ago, geriatrickid said:

The costs for Canada are growing.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/08/07/canada-saudi-arabia-feud-could-suck-billions-out-of-canadian-economy_a_23497858/?uccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNhLw&guce_referrer_cs=_Rypu07XFjodGN8UwlwiNA

 

I was incorrect when I referenced the number of  Saudi students as 12,000. The CBC was reporting 20,000 in total, but the universities have said 16,000. Their immediate withdrawal and cancellation of Saudi funding will decimate Canada's universities. There is no immediate replacement for that funding and because of that, Canadian students looking for bursaries and grants for the next year will not be getting them as the  tens of millions of dollars provided by the Saudis won't be there.

 

Who's going to replace the $100 million of  core agricultural exports to the KSA from Canada because they are no longer allowed.? There is another $100 million of processed foods not going there.

 

1000+ Canadian oil workers  are waiting to learn if they will be in the first wave of  labour permit cancellations. Where are they to go to gain  these wages?

 

Bloomberg reports that Saudi Arabia has invested about $6 billion in Canadian businesses since 2006. How will Trudeau replace this if the Saudis have a fire sale? The Saudis hold Canadian debt and can dump it.

 

The KSA is about to undertake a massive diversification of its economy including privatization of its oil industry, Canada was well placed to take on part of the  privatization. Now its financial institutions and specialists  are excluded. Gone are the economic opportunities. Gone are the  hundreds of millions of fees that would have been gained by the Canadian financial services sector.

 

The  attempt to bully the KSA is pure hypocrisy because of Canada's refusal to take a tougher line with Iran. It has been remarkably quiet with Pakistani abuses, and it has said  nothing on the abuse rampant in Africa  and done nothing about  Haiti. Trudeau has done nothing to help the Canadian families of victims of the Iranian regime. Yet, he bleats on about  his hyped womens rights issues. This was his miscalculation when his strategists sought to give him a PR opportunity. he thought he could push around a Saudi prince and he  was wrong.

 

Wait until   medical care suffers when the  medical residents and fellows  withdraw. You can't replace a research fellow at a teaching hospital overnight, especially when  there are only a handful on staff. Specialty units are already strapped for specialists because of budget costs and now the provincial  healthcare systems will lose tens of millions in income and qualified personnel. Brilliant. Wait until the  northern  and First Nation communities lose access to these specialists.

 

So far, none of the people  supporting this fabricated dispute with the KSA  has addressed the economic and social  costs of this dispute. Worse still, they offer no solution for the thousands of workers and their thousands of dependents who depend upon the  KSA related economic opportunities. Yes, this plays well to the usual crowd, but it will cost the  Liberal government big in southern Ontario, in the regions where where the oil workers are sourced like Newfoundland, on Bay street which will lose opportunities,  and even in Quebec , the home of SNC Lavalin which has a large contract with the KSA. Another lost  market for Canada's embattled auto industry too. And for what?  A blogger who just couldn't shut up. This was going to be settled, but no, Trudeau had to try for political points.

 

And btw, the Canadian government is now finding out the hard way how  the big boys do it because both the USA,  and  the UK have said, sorry bro, can't help. The EU  hasn't helped either.  The end result is that Canada is now begging the UAE for assistance. That help will come at a cost. Most likely the UAE airlines will gain greater access to Canadian airports because of Canada's desperation. More damage to Canadian economic interests thanks to Trudeau.

 

The KSA isn't perfect, but picking a fight in this manner and insulting the ruler is just wrong.  The crown Prince is  intelligent, educated and more wily than  Trudeau and his urban clique. He has to work in a very  difficult  environment  balancing radicals against fundamentalists. He should be helped to making the KSA better, not insulted and  undercut by  western bullies who do not understand the  man's predicament.

What a load of BS.  Every point you made is a stretch.

 

- 16K students leaving Canadian colleges and universities will not "decimate" anything.  Do you think those schools have trouble filling seats?  What this means is 16K wait-listed students are going to get last-minute acceptances.  The vast majority of students will be glad to see them gone from their campuses.

 

- Trade with Saudi Arabia is about 0.25% of Canada's total exports.  This will not hurt Canada's economy.  On the contrary, Saudi Arabia has half the GDP and their tantrum is scaring off potential investors around the world.  Who the heck would bank on a business relationship with an irrational dictator who has a hair-trigger temper?

 

- 1000+ oil workers will go to neighbouring gulf states, or other countries, and right now they're likely getting bombarded with voicemail and email recruitment offers.  It's not like oil workers have trouble finding work.  They pick their jobs based on bonuses and perks.

 

- I think Canada's health care system can survive without a dozen or so Saudi residents and nurses.  My bet is any medical residents simply won't leave - certainly not the women.

 

- Saudi Arabia cancelling flights to Toronto does not cause "desperation".  Pearson airport is overcrowded, and it's not run like a private enterprise that makes money off the number of flights it gets - it's owned by Transport Canada.

 

- Canada is asking UK and UAE for assistance calming down Saudi Arabia because your mad prince is acting irrational and inciting nationalism and possibly terrorism.  (Veiled threats to back off or a 9/11 attack on Toronto?  We know Saudis are capable of that stuff since they comprised 80% of the 9/11 hijackers.)  This isn't Canada being afraid - this is a situation comparable to a coworker suddenly going crazy because you asked them to clean up the smell coming from their cubicle.  You might not be afraid of that coworker but maybe you'll ask his friends to calm him down so you can get back to work.

 

Your crown prince might be wily(he did manage to outfox or murder his rivals) but he sure doesn't act educated.  He's irrational, bad tempered, bullies his subjects, treats half his population like slaves, and quite frankly can go drill himself.

 

As a Canadian I find this all rather amusing.  What's your stake in this?

[lust]

As a Canadian. The best thing I’ve ever done was move away from that ISIS supporting government, run by a cuck-traitor art teacher. 

[JCauto]

2 minutes ago, lust said:

As a Canadian. The best thing I’ve ever done was move away from that ISIS supporting government, run by a cuck-traitor art teacher. 

Well, you did the right thing. When your views are so contrary to pretty much everyone around you, you should leave. And as a Canadian, may I note how happy I am that your ilk are leaving? Perhaps you'd find a lot more like-minded folk down south. Just look for the poorer and dumber states, and you're heading home!

[lust]

2 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Well, you did the right thing. When your views are so contrary to pretty much everyone around you, you should leave. And as a Canadian, may I note how happy I am that your ilk are leaving? Perhaps you'd find a lot more like-minded folk down south. Just look for the poorer and dumber states, and you're heading home!

I need someone to translate this into English for me.

[JCauto]

2 minutes ago, lust said:

I need someone to translate this into English for me.

Ah, you were an immigrant to Canada? No problem, sorry for writing at too high a level of English. Just goes to show you how many directions life can lead.

Most immigrants to Canada enthusiastically take to the place and, sooner or later, start acting pretty much Canadian. Others of course cling to their old ways. Perhaps you came from a more authoritarian state prior to Canada and miss having Big Daddy tell you what to do? If only you'd lived in Ontario, you could be somewhat placated by having Rob Ford's brother Doug be your authority figure. 

[My Thai Life]

from today's Guardian...

 

"A Saudi Arabian organisation has apologised for tweeting a digitally altered image that showed a plane flying towards Toronto’s CN Tower – in an apparent reference to a 9/11-style attack – amid an escalating row over Canada’s call for the release of detained human rights activists in the kingdom."

 

This is from the state that spawned 15 of the 19 9-11 attackers, and gave the world Wahabbist terrorism.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, lust said:

As a Canadian. The best thing I’ve ever done was move away from that ISIS supporting government, run by a cuck-traitor art teacher. 

"As a Canadian. The best thing I’ve ever done was move away from that ISIS supporting government,"

Agree with you, stay away from SA.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Canuckabroad said:

What a load of BS.  Every point you made is a stretch.

 

- 16K students leaving Canadian colleges and universities will not "decimate" anything.  Do you think those schools have trouble filling seats?  What this means is 16K wait-listed students are going to get last-minute acceptances.  The vast majority of students will be glad to see them gone from their campuses.

 

- Trade with Saudi Arabia is about 0.25% of Canada's total exports.  This will not hurt Canada's economy.  On the contrary, Saudi Arabia has half the GDP and their tantrum is scaring off potential investors around the world.  Who the heck would bank on a business relationship with an irrational dictator who has a hair-trigger temper?

 

- 1000+ oil workers will go to neighbouring gulf states, or other countries, and right now they're likely getting bombarded with voicemail and email recruitment offers.  It's not like oil workers have trouble finding work.  They pick their jobs based on bonuses and perks.

 

- I think Canada's health care system can survive without a dozen or so Saudi residents and nurses.  My bet is any medical residents simply won't leave - certainly not the women.

 

- Saudi Arabia cancelling flights to Toronto does not cause "desperation".  Pearson airport is overcrowded, and it's not run like a private enterprise that makes money off the number of flights it gets - it's owned by Transport Canada.

 

- Canada is asking UK and UAE for assistance calming down Saudi Arabia because your mad prince is acting irrational and inciting nationalism and possibly terrorism.  (Veiled threats to back off or a 9/11 attack on Toronto?  We know Saudis are capable of that stuff since they comprised 80% of the 9/11 hijackers.)  This isn't Canada being afraid - this is a situation comparable to a coworker suddenly going crazy because you asked them to clean up the smell coming from their cubicle.  You might not be afraid of that coworker but maybe you'll ask his friends to calm him down so you can get back to work.

 

Your crown prince might be wily(he did manage to outfox or murder his rivals) but he sure doesn't act educated.  He's irrational, bad tempered, bullies his subjects, treats half his population like slaves, and quite frankly can go drill himself.

 

As a Canadian I find this all rather amusing.  What's your stake in this?

 

I don't know how familiar you are with academic administration, but replacing 16K paying students is no easy feat. If you have any notions this wouldn't mess related finances, or wouldn't cost anything, you're much mistaken. Also, doubt you've got a handle on what the "vast majority" of students views are regarding this specific case.

 

 

As for your assertions regarding this badly effecting Saudi Arabia's trade - again, doubtful. Someone else will pick up the deals, and continue the policy of not commenting on the country's civil right issues.

 

Oil workers not having trouble finding work? Really? Reading the relevant sections of this forum seems to go against this notion.

 

There was no veiled threat - related events were presented on previous posts, SA already acted and apologized on that instance. Keep harping on that one, though, it might just stick. Not that it's too clear how "inciting nationalism" is a concern here. As for the offered bogus analogy, it seems to suggest that Canada's aim is to get back doing business with SA - not quite the principled stance, then?