Boris Johnson slammed over Islamophobic comments

[Opl]

4 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

In my opinion your logic is the wrong way round. People who cannot speak English should not be given British citizenship in the first place. If they cannot speak English they cannot contribute in any meaningful way to our society.

 

For you to blame the British system for not teaching them English is a bit much in my opinion.

 

But of course you are welcome to your opinion.

 

+ be able to explain the legacy of the Magna Carta

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

In my opinion your logic is the wrong way round. People who cannot speak English should not be given British citizenship in the first place. If they cannot speak English they cannot contribute in any meaningful way to our society.

 

For you to blame the British system for not teaching them English is a bit much in my opinion.

 

But of course you are welcome to your opinion.

Don’t go saying stuff like that in Welsh Wales!

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

In my opinion your logic is the wrong way round. People who cannot speak English should not be given British citizenship in the first place. If they cannot speak English they cannot contribute in any meaningful way to our society.

 

For you to blame the British system for not teaching them English is a bit much in my opinion.

 

But of course you are welcome to your opinion.

I assume criteria / legislation  relating to your first paragraph are evolving, as they are here in Australia. BTW I am a UK citizen from London.

 

My Thai wife went though government funded English language lessons here in Oz, I attended a few, thought they were pathetic. However, concerning your response above guess you overlooked my phrase "contributing factors"

[CG1 Blue]

 Can you provide a link please, as I cannot find the article.

You should try walking around Tower Hamlets in east London. I spend a lot of time in Canary Wharf, and it’s swarming with these Grim Reaper lookalikes.
It’s not much use quoting national statistics. There are concentrated pockets of them doted around the country.
Most of East London is blighted by the dark cult now.


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[My Thai Life]

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 As already explained to you; people who cannot speak and write English (or Welsh to be totally accurate) to B1 of the CEFR for speaking and listening and good enough to study for and pass the written LitUK test, cannot naturalise as British.

And as David Cameron has already explained to you via my quote from the Guardian, 228,000 muslim women in the UK have no English skills or very limited English skills. Clearly that would put them some way below B1, more like pre A1 or A1.

 

It would seem that the policy you are referring to has failed.

Edited August 14, 2018 by My Thai Life

[wildewillie89]

1 minute ago, My Thai Life said:

And as David Cameron has already explained to you via my quote from the Guardian, 228,000 muslim women in the UK have no Engish skills or very limited English skills. Clearly that would put them some way below B1, more like pre A1 or A1.

 

It would seem that the policy you are referring to has failed.

But the census stats say differently...so for the third time, is it 6% or, as Cameron suggests, 22%? Surely you must be cherry picking the article if you are not looking at both sides of the article. 

[Opl]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ridiculing people.

 

If you disagree, make a habit of ridiculing people you meet face to face.

because saying " it looks like this or that " per se is ridiculing?

the comparison of the burqa to the letter box is the result of a sharp observation. It is not an insult - If you do not like the comparison, it's your problem.

 

Edited August 14, 2018 by Opl

[7by7]

5 minutes ago, My Thai Life said:

And as David Cameron has already explained to you via my quote from the Guardian, 228,000 muslim women in the UK have no English skills or very limited English skills. Clearly that would put them some way below B1, more like pre A1 or A1.

 

It would seem that the policy you are referring to has failed.

 Cameron says, but, according to your source, others put the figure a lot lower.

 

Plus, as the article says, those who cannot meet the required standard for FLR or the higher one for ILR will probably have to leave!

 

Applicants at every stage have to prove they have met the required minimum standard for that stage.

 

Much discussion of this in the Visas and migration to other countries forum at the time, though as far as I am aware no member here has yet fallen foul of it.

 

Where do you live?

 

[blazes]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go with more unfounded assumptions.

 

You are once again, off topic and making assumptions about my nationality.

 

My nationality is a piece of personal information I do not share in this forum  and once again I find I have to ask you not to attempt to reveal this personal information.

 

I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve had to make this point to you.

Your continuing posts on this matter are well out of order.

 

 

Tut, tut, My Thai Life, Chomper, didn't you know, is a Russian who speaks impeccable English with occasional slip-ups.

He is trying to influence the voters of ThaiVisa and is in danger of being caught either by the CIA or MI6.  After which we will be mercifully free of his contributions to this forum (unless of course the American or British authorities swap him for a Russian spy held in the West, leaving Chomper free, alas, to take up where he left off....)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, blazes said:

Tut, tut, My Thai Life, Chomper, didn't you know, is a Russian who speaks impeccable English with occasional slip-ups.

He is trying to influence the voters of ThaiVisa and is in danger of being caught either by the CIA or MI6.  After which we will be mercifully free of his contributions to this forum (unless of course the American or British authorities swap him for a Russian spy held in the West, leaving Chomper free, alas, to take up where he left off....)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Early start today?

[blazes]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Don’t go saying stuff like that in Welsh Wales!

I dunno about you, Chomper ol' boy, but I have never yet met a Welsh-speaking  person who could not speak perfect English.

 

Just to set right what you are wrongly implying.

[My Thai Life]

 

The 6% figure apparently comes from the mcb, based on an unbelievably flawed method, but of course the "muslim council" wouldn't have an agenda would they. 

 

https://fullfact.org/immigration/22-muslim-women-say-they-dont-speak-english-or-dont-speak-it-well/

Edited August 14, 2018 by My Thai Life

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, blazes said:

I dunno about you, Chomper ol' boy, but I have never yet met a Welsh-speaking  person who could not speak perfect English.

 

Just to set right what you are wrongly implying.

You’ve never met a Welshman who’s right to British citizenship was conditional on their ability to speak English.

[DILLIGAD]

You’ve never met a Welshman who’s right to British citizenship was conditional on their ability to speak English.

Been to Wales many times and never met a Welsh man who cannot speak English. Have you???


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[My Thai Life]

42 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’ve never met a Welshman who’s right to British citizenship was conditional on their ability to speak English.

Actually I was surprised in my early 20s when working in Cardiff (the capital of Wales) to hear Welsh  everywhere. And it made me feel really good that the original British language (or as close as we will get to it, along with Irish and Scots and maybe Cornish) was flourishing. Of course, the Welsh all speak English.

 

The Welsh are British by virtue of the fact they have been living in Britain for thousands of years.

[Wilsonandson]

On 8/8/2018 at 7:46 AM, cornishcarlos said:

The PC brigade, aka politicians, will give up our culture and heritage for fear of offending those not wishing to assimilate to their chosen country of residence....

It's embarrassing...!!

Spot on. Why can't you criticize Islam. Why can't you tell jokes? 

 

'Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me' remember that?

 

What's wrong with this video clip.........

 

 

Am I racist? Are you? For laughing with me. Aren't Monty Python movies insulting to Christians?

 

Time we all gave up this PC rubbish and start offending so we get used to it and move on with our lives. Christ, some people, eh? 

[cmsally]

2 hours ago, My Thai Life said:

Actually I was surprised in my early 20s when working in Cardiff (the capital of Wales) to hear Welsh  everywhere. And it made me feel really good that the original British language (or as close as we will get to it, along with Irish and Scots and maybe Cornish) was flourishing. Of course, the Welsh all speak English.

 

The Welsh are British by virtue of the fact they have been living in Britain for thousands of years.

Spent many a weekend at the Uni. of Bangor. Many residential units that took Welsh only, one block was particularly Welsh and not wise to be caught speaking English in there.

Also broke the record for number of people in a Ford Fiesta (on the way back from a climb up Snowdon), , in the days before health and safety - or maybe they don't have policemen in Wales ? I'm off topic again !

 

I totally agree with some posters, in that the great British self deprecating sense of humour is on the wain. It's sad.

 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, cmsally said:

Spent many a weekend at the Uni. of Bangor. Many residential units that took Welsh only, one block was particularly Welsh and not wise to be caught speaking English in there.

Also broke the record for number of people in a Ford Fiesta (on the way back from a climb up Snowdon), , in the days before health and safety - or maybe they don't have policemen in Wales ? I'm off topic again !

 

I totally agree with some posters, in that the great British self deprecating sense of humour is on the wain. It's sad.

 

The Welsh have a lot to be bitter about, did you know it's still legal to kill a Welsh person in Chester after midnight with a longbow. The last thing we want is other members alienating them, especially as my granny was Welsh, boyo.

[Grouse]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_clothing

 

**** NEWS FLASH****GROUSE MODIFIES STANCE****

 

In strongly object to Nijab and Burkha. However, head scarves are acceptable. The word Hijab just means to cover ( something Russian tourists should learn). Basic Hijab covers head a breasts but exposes the full face. I accept this form of dress. The extreme Hijab (Burka and Hijab) must be banned. But here's an idea, let's just ask people politely to ditch extreme Hijab. If there is no response then face the law. It's not Islamic, it's just impolite.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Grouse

[cmsally]

Trying to have a conversation with anyone that hides their face is going to be difficult. Depending on the situation we always need NVC to make sense and make decisions about what people say. The 7/38/55 study was extreme but we certainly use NVC a lot .

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, cmsally said:

Spent many a weekend at the Uni. of Bangor. Many residential units that took Welsh only, one block was particularly Welsh and not wise to be caught speaking English in there.

Also broke the record for number of people in a Ford Fiesta (on the way back from a climb up Snowdon), , in the days before health and safety - or maybe they don't have policemen in Wales ? I'm off topic again !

 

I totally agree with some posters, in that the great British self deprecating sense of humour is on the wain. It's sad.

 

Actually, it's not self-deprecating humor when the object of your humor is treated as "other" rather than as "one of us."

[Small Joke]

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Who could be unaware of it, you’ve been banging on about Wahabbism since the start of this thread.

 

This despite it has nothing to do with the subjected under discussion ( Boris Johnson’s comments) and despite it being explained to you that even in Jeddah ( Makkah Province, Saudi Arabia) full face covering is by no streatch of imagination universal, and women not covering their face or hair is common place.

 

Your heads in an Islamophobic loop - not at all healthy.

Disagree.

I have never seen any woman in any ME country dressed as casually as their Indonesian or Malaysian counterparts.

And, tedious as it is, let me present my 'PC' credentials before I bang on...

I have had unwarranted kindnesses extended to me by Muslims of both genders on my travels.

I long ago dated a moderate Malay Muslim girl who drank and... boogied like there was no tomorrow, but still couldn't deal with a pork schnitzel!

I have no dog in the fight with the religion per se.

I disagree with ALL religious and political thought control of minors, in principle.

I was a victim of NON-catholic church sexual abuse (I provide that disclosure as a cold fact, not seeking sympathy). 

It is NOT incumbent on Islam to police their wackos.

We, after all, are still doing a piss poor namby pamby job of bringing the Vatican, and others, to heel on their religious sex crimes.

It is a humanistic and universal responsibility to condemn this sartorial imprisonment.

I reject that the women themselves are happy, because they are brainwashed.

That is indisputable, if they had grown up in secular western families, they'd scream bloody murder if asked to spend their lives thus attired, for proof, try getting your SO to wander about the local Mall under a bedsheet for 30 minutes, you'll likely get a kick in the nuts for your trouble, and rightly so.

It is simply against innate human feminine nature worldwide.

Even the most brutish male -except the god-befuddled dolts in the sandpit- can see that she seeks to adorn herself with beauty, grace, fragrance, and colour, primarily for her own gratification, not ours!

These women are mentally enslaved any way you wanna slice it.

Deny that!

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, cmsally said:

Trying to have a conversation with anyone that hides their face is going to be difficult. Depending on the situation we always need NVC to make sense and make decisions about what people say. The 7/38/55 study was extreme but we certainly use NVC a lot .

Makes one wonder why telephones ever caught on.

[blazes]

21 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, it's not self-deprecating humor when the object of your humor is treated as "other" rather than as "one of us."

 

Lighten up, man, <deleted>.

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

Lighten up, man, <deleted>.

Think clearly, man.

[Opl]

26 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, it's not self-deprecating humor when the object of your humor is treated as "other" rather than as "one of us."

"one of us" .. if you say so

 

 

[bristolboy]

Just now, Opl said:

"one of us" .. if you say so

 

 

Thanks for confirming my point, even if inadvertently. I pointed out that it's not self-deprecating humor when the object of it is treated as other, as not being "one of us".

[Kadilo]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Makes one wonder why telephones ever caught on.

I was sitting on the tube today, long journey all the way back to Heathrow. Beside and opposite me was a lovely family 5 children, Mum and Dad. The mother was was covered with just her eyes showing and the girls had headscarfs only. 

 

I sat wondering what the Baffoon would actually say to this family was he sitting where I was watching them all joke and play around. 

 

I could hear every word the Mum said and I was sitting further away than the family themselves. 

 

 

[Small Joke]

1 minute ago, Opl said:

"one of us" .. if you say so

 

 

How misguided.

The future of Britain is of course Chinese, but we'll get extra rations for not <deleted> up Singapore and Hong Kong!

Meanwhile these ladies will wish for the days of casual chav abuse once the Maoists get their freak on.

[Naam]

On 8/13/2018 at 6:36 PM, My Thai Life said:

Have you ever lived in the UK Naam? In one of the areas adversely affected by muslim immigration?

no, but i lived a number of years in Saudi Arabia (Al Khobar and Jeddah) two cities adversely affected by Westerners during my time.