UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

Beginning? Not exactly difficult spotting some Nationalist Hard Brexiteers from the off, reviving old C20 fantasies of selecting others for kicking and eventually worse.

Maybe we should have a referendum on this, the two questions could be.

 

1. Do we let people kick us whilst we are down.

 

2. Do we show some pride and fight back.

 

Surprisingly that would not be a difficult choice for most people. ????

Edited November 16, 2018 by vogie

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

..it's clear now that Brexiteers couldn't decide between them to make a cup of tea or coffee.

 

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

Maybe an election or vote of some kind?

Whether their minds will be concentrated by the implications of bringing down May, followed by an election returning Labour and a subsequent softer Brexit, well; tea or coffee may be an easier decision for some of the HB numbskulls.

[whatsupdoc]

I always liked British comedy. And this Brexit shambles sure has a high entertainment value (for an outsider).

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

I always liked British comedy. And this Brexit shambles sure has a high entertainment value (for an outsider).

In yesterday's episode Raab C Exit. 

 

[vogie]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

 

Whether their minds will be concentrated by the implications of bringing down May, followed by an election returning Labour and a subsequent softer Brexit, well; tea or coffee may be an easier decision for some of the HB numbskulls.

If want to know what a numbskull is, listen to the remainer in the background and enjoy another great speech from JRM.

 

 

 

 

 

[Henryford]

17 hours ago, baboon said:

Dominic Raab has resigned. Because of the crappy Brexit deal he was instrumental in negotiating... 

Ha ha i think he resigned because he was NOT instrumental in negotiating it. It was done by Oily behind everyone's back. Apparently one of Raab's own civil servants worked on the deal without telling him.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Maybe we should have a referendum on this, the two questions could be.

 

1. Do we let people kick us whilst we are down.

 

2. Do we show some pride and fight back.

 

Surprisingly that would not be a difficult choice for most people. ????

So it’s finally dawned on you that you are not going to get the Brexit you were promised (just like we’ve been trying to explain to you these past two years or more).

 

Now you only need to come to terms with the fact you swallowed the Brexit lies hook line and sinker.

 

I wish you well in your difficult journey back to the fact based universe.

[welovesundaysatspace]

9 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Ha ha i think he resigned because he was NOT instrumental in negotiating it. It was done by Oily behind everyone's back. Apparently one of Raab's own civil servants worked on the deal without telling him.

So why didn’t he resign immediately after he saw someone else is negotiating something that he will be held responsible for? 

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, Grouse said:

Who cares? Sometimes the grown ups have to put the toys back in the box and tidy up.

 

You wanted sovereignty, now you've got it ????

As Michael Heseltine said in an interview yesterday "The man in the desert is sovereign."

[sandyf]

An attempt by the government to influence parliamentary procedure in their favour has failed.

 

The influential Procedure Committee, which has been considering how to ensure MPs are given a “meaningful vote” on the proposed deal, slapped down ministers’ plan to change normal parliamentary procedures to make it harder for the Commons to bind Theresa May’s hands.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-theresa-may-mps-vote-commons-committee-eu-withdrawal-agreement-a8636081.html

[tebee]

I appreciate it’s been a tough day but I think we should all recognise that we’ve hit a Brexit event-horizon - from here on in things will just get worse - until or unless we stop this madness once and for all: until then this is going to get very, very bad indeed. Sorry.

[vogie]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So it’s finally dawned on you that you are not going to get the Brexit you were promised (just like we’ve been trying to explain to you these past two years or more).

 

Now you only need to come to terms with the fact you swallowed the Brexit lies hook line and sinker.

 

I wish you well in your difficult journey back to the fact based universe.

Nothing has finally dawned on anybody, leavers have been saying that PM May is totally useless for two years now, given the task she had to perform, she has failed very badly. She is a remainer and has not come up with her promises she made at the general election about leaving the EU.

 

This Hotel California Brexit Deal is dead in the water, I think everybody would agree on that, so the chances of it being voted for by Parliament looks very doubtful indeed. The EU leaders have recently stated that they will not accept another Brexit deal, so where does this leave the UK, I would suggest only one conclusion. 

But Brexit has more twists and turns than a cheap garden hose, so who knows, I suggest nobody at the moment.

[talahtnut]

25 minutes ago, sandyf said:

As Michael Heseltine said in an interview yesterday "The man in the desert is sovereign."

That quote is part of Chris Patten's speech, in which he also says,

"At present, people are feeling sullen and alienated from the EU not just in Britain, but more widely". Mr.Patten offers various reasons for this. The fundamental one is a lack of democratic underpinning.

 

[StreetCowboy]

35 minutes ago, vogie said:

Nothing has finally dawned on anybody, leavers have been saying that PM May is totally useless for two years now, given the task she had to perform, she has failed very badly. She is a remainer and has not come up with her promises she made at the general election about leaving the EU.

 

This Hotel California Brexit Deal is dead in the water, I think everybody would agree on that, so the chances of it being voted for by Parliament looks very doubtful indeed. The EU leaders have recently stated that they will not accept another Brexit deal, so where does this leave the UK, I would suggest only one conclusion. 

But Brexit has more twists and turns than a cheap garden hose, so who knows, I suggest nobody at the moment.

I think she's doing a great job, and driving Brexit forward in a careful and judicious manner that will allow a safe, responsible and honourable exit.

 

One day we'll look back and say "for a woman, she's parked that Brexit Bus remarkably well" and all its passengers will be able to safely alight and carry on their business.

 

All the people shouting at her to go faster towards the cliff have been watching too much Quadrophenia.  Better to take a Summer Holiday - at least Cliff could drive a bus. 

[StreetCowboy]

45 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

I think she's doing a great job, and driving Brexit forward in a careful and judicious manner that will allow a safe, responsible and honourable exit.

 

One day we'll look back and say "for a woman, she's parked that Brexit Bus remarkably well" and all its passengers will be able to safely alight and carry on their business.

 

All the people shouting at her to go faster towards the cliff have been watching too much Quadrophenia.  Better to take a Summer Holiday - at least Cliff could drive a bus. 

It's a bit like the Italian Job really.  The bus is hanging over the cliff, and we're all going to have to get off and let it go, and we'll all be worse off for that, but not so badly off as if we'd stayed on the bus.

 

What was the film where they made the stolen gold into Eiffel Towers? The Lavender Hill Mob. (This internet thing is fantastic!)  That was a bit entente cordial

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So it’s finally dawned on you that you are not going to get the Brexit you were promised (just like we’ve been trying to explain to you these past two years or more).

 

Now you only need to come to terms with the fact you swallowed the Brexit lies hook line and sinker.

 

I wish you well in your difficult journey back to the fact based universe.

"So it’s finally dawned on you that you are not going to get the Brexit you were promised (just like we’ve been trying to explain to you these past two years or more)."

 

Quite.  I've been saying since the beginning of this fiasco that politicians don't want brexit, and so will be looking for a brexit in name only deal - that manages to avoid seriously annoying the electorate.

 

They've failed - as it's so obvious they've made virtually no attempt at genuinely negotiating from the very start.

 

What will happen next is anybody's guess, but I'm pretty sure the electorate are even more disillusioned and unhappy about their politicians.....

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, Henryford said:

Ha ha i think he resigned because he was NOT instrumental in negotiating it. It was done by Oily behind everyone's back. Apparently one of Raab's own civil servants worked on the deal without telling him.

 

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

So why didn’t he resign immediately after he saw someone else is negotiating something that he will be held responsible for? 

500+ pages and not one finger print of his on the doc. Yeah right.

[melvinmelvin]

18 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"So it’s finally dawned on you that you are not going to get the Brexit you were promised (just like we’ve been trying to explain to you these past two years or more)."

 

Quite.  I've been saying since the beginning of this fiasco that politicians don't want brexit, and so will be looking for a brexit in name only deal - that manages to avoid seriously annoying the electorate.

 

They've failed - as it's so obvious they've made virtually no attempt at genuinely negotiating from the very start.

 

What will happen next is anybody's guess, but I'm pretty sure the electorate are even more disillusioned and unhappy about their politicians.....

next?

agree with Mr JRM that this deal is not what was expected, it doesn't compare well with what Cameron said or TM said

while the deal was under development

 

next: will TM survive internal Tory upheaval

next: will deal survive high level EU get together

next: will deal survive UK parliament

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by melvinmelvin

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

500+ pages and not one finger print of his on the doc. Yeah right.

That reminded me. This thread is now 560 pages long. In a week or two, it has reached the full lenght of the Brexit deal of 585 pages. 

 

 

[transam]

11 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

next?

agree with Mr JRM that this deal is not what was expected, it doesn't compare well with what Cameron said or TM said

while the deal was under development

 

next: will TM survive internal Tory upheaval

next: will deal survive high level EU get together

next: will deal survive UK parliament

 

Will Ubon get a Burger King...Sadly we don't know the behind the scenes stuff...????

[Basil B]

7 minutes ago, oilinki said:

That reminded me. This thread is now 560 pages long. In a week or two, it has reached the full lenght of the Brexit deal of 585 pages. 

 

 

More or like a day or two...

[mogandave]

Will Ubon get a Burger King...Sadly we don't know the behind the scenes stuff...[emoji848]

Do you have a Shell station?

[transam]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

 

Do you have a Shell station?

 

Yes, two, but no BK...????

[Basil B]

Let the People decide

Lets have four referendums for the price of one...

 

Part 1

The negotiated deal: Accept or Reject

Part 2

If the negotiated deal is rejected: No deal brexit or Remain

Part 3

Can Corbyn have his General Election: Yes/No

Part 4

Should TM remain as PM: Yes/No

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Basil B

[transam]

4 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Let the People decide

Lets have four referendums for the price of one...

 

Part 1

The negotiated deal: Accept or Reject

Part 2

If the negotiated deal is rejected: No deal brexit or Remain

Part 3

Can Corbyn have his General Election: Yes/No

Part 4

Should TM remain as PM: Yes/No

 

????

[talahtnut]

Houses of Parliament...or is it Fawlty Towers we are watching?

[Guest]

Bill got the correct response from a remainer. This is the stuff nation building is done from.

 

Don't blame for yourself. Blame the people who lied. 

 

 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Houses of Parliament...or is it Fawlty Towers we are watching?

Yesterday I did....

 

[mogandave]

Yes, two, but no BK...[emoji25]

If one is busy and on a heavily trafficked road....

They’re spreading like Ford dealers...

[StreetCowboy]

46 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Let the People decide

Lets have four referendums for the price of one...

 

Part 1

The negotiated deal: Accept or Reject

Part 2

If the negotiated deal is rejected: No deal brexit or Remain

Part 3

Can Corbyn have his General Election: Yes/No

Part 4

Should TM remain as PM: Yes/No

 

Let's do it like Wheel Of Fortune!