UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[sirineou]

19 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

You were going to put together a list of specific reasons why brexit would not work.

 

To contribute to Grouse's list 

#1:   A no deal brexit will destroy the British economy. 

A deal could still happen but But it’s increasingly possible that they won’t—largely because Britain continues to demand a privileged relationship with the EU that Brussels will not, and probably cannot, agree to.  

 

At present, trade between Britain and the rest of the EU is seamless. There are no checks at borders or tariffs, and London-based firms can buy goods and components from suppliers based in Belgium as easily as they do from those in Birmingham. Seamless trade means that U.K. manufacturers are embedded in a web of pan-European, just-in-time supply chains.

For example, at Honda’s factory in Wiltshire, a short drive west from London, the firm holds just 36 hours’ worth of inventory. Some orders from EU suppliers arrive there in less than 24 hours. Similarly, Britain’s food industry relies on just-in-time deliveries from suppliers all over the continent; there is currently no need for refrigeration at ports because food does not need to be checked.

Following a no-deal Brexit, frictionless trade in goods would end overnight.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/02/a-no-deal-brexit-will-destroy-the-british-economy/

 IMO a Brexit deal that includes no border controls not only will be counterproductive to brexit goals as I understand them, ie British sovereignty, and threaten EU cohesiveness as other nations will demand similar deals. 

#2:  a good chance it will be the end of the UK,Scotland leaving, irish Unification, etc.

#3: without a clear consensus national post brexit strife. 

[vinny41]

46 minutes ago, adammike said:

What's up vinny? Are you a bit stressed? Brexit not going so well maybe,don't worry Boris is waiting in the wings he will make it all better.actually I read it the telegraph as it's behind a paywall I only read the heading and it definitely said "plants"in the UK.

still can't  get you facts correct if it was the telegraph here the headline 

Vauxhall 'reviewing future' of its car plants in UK and your post without link was Vauxhall Pulling out 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/11/16/vauxhall-reviewing-future-car-plants-uk/

Typicial remainer  unable to back up their Project fear posts with links 

[Basil B]

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

You can not accuse May of being fat ( or of being a dancer) maybe she can sing

 

I honestly think she has done her best for the country. What more could one ask of a leader? I certainly can not name any Tory who could have done better for the country.

Living Tory...

 

Looks like the rat trap is working overtime, unfortunately the King Rat AKA Gove was too smart  ...this time.

[beautifulthailand99]

6 hours ago, nontabury said:

And I notice that no remoaners have commentated on the two videos relating to Olly Robbins, our chief non negotiator. Similarly the remoaners are very quite when facts are placed in front of them, regarding our membership of this so called Union. Much easier to to-make nasty snide remarks.

 

 

if it makes you happy with your crayons and things.....

[nontabury]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

if it makes you happy with your crayons and things.....

 

 

 PATHETIC. But to be expected from a remoaner,who cannot argue his point.

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

13 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 

 PATHETIC. But to be expected from a remoaner,who cannot argue his point.

 

 

Here you are a few of the casualties that will screw your pounds and likely your pension as you take back control.

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/the-latest-list-of-brexit-casualties-is-a-sobering-reminder-of-what-lies-in-store-for-britain/13/11/?fbclid=IwAR2lnvqzZj_NL9gsn3hTaCO8a1XlpVtzBquAJNiIUZAz1sUgHi3sccCu1Ag

[baboon]

53 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 

 PATHETIC. But to be expected from a remoaner,who cannot argue his point.

 

 

Err, pot and kettle there, rather....

[kwilco]

8 hours ago, mogandave said:

So if the currency goes south and the bottom falls out of the labor market, why would manufacturers move out?

 

And for every one that moves out, why would there not be a greedy, money-grubbing multinational moving in to exploit the weak currency and cheap labor?

 

At present there is not a single business, finance, commerce or manufacturing that isn't considering reducing, resetting or leaving completely the UK.

It doesn't matter how cheap the pound is they have supply chains established over 40 years that go both ways across Europe.....you can't expect to go cheap one way as the opposite will incur corresponding price rises....... you also can't produce if there is no market..... The car market for instance is global and will be less accessible from an isolated UK.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-vauxhall-closing-car-plant-psa-peugeot-business-stockpiling-eu-a8636531.html?fbclid=IwAR0rr4M449mIDg4Qhh4ji0lqfS3hRhOpzRxOQmz3waB90xLrU8Vmctwjxnw

 

Basically just scour the media and see if you can find a single company that looks to expand in the event of Brexit ...they don't exist.

 

(Except for cuckoo clocks and whale blubber)

 

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by kwilco

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

 

 

 PATHETIC. But to be expected from a remoaner,who cannot argue his point.

 

 

This cartoon is inaccurate as it uses the Union flag.....

Firstly Scotland and Ireland did not vote to leave, and secondly  it overlooks there is a high risk it will bring about the final break up of the Union.

 

It is just another example of how terribly misinformed and distorted the Brexiteer view is.

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by kwilco

[adammike]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

still can't  get you facts correct if it was the telegraph here the headline 

Vauxhall 'reviewing future' of its car plants in UK and your post without link was Vauxhall Pulling out 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/11/16/vauxhall-reviewing-future-car-plants-uk/

Typicial remainer  unable to back up their Project fear posts with links 

Vinny old chap go out and have a drink, have a neck and shoulder massage maybe get laid,let all that tension out you will feel much better.

[kwilco]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

still can't  get you facts correct if it was the telegraph here the headline 

Vauxhall 'reviewing future' of its car plants in UK and your post without link was Vauxhall Pulling out 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/11/16/vauxhall-reviewing-future-car-plants-uk/

Typicial remainer  unable to back up their Project fear posts with links 

So that makes the fact that Vauxhall is thinking of closing invalid? 

 

I think you are clutching at straws.

 

Make us feel better....find a company looking forward to expanding after Brexit.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

 

 

 PATHETIC. But to be expected from a remoaner,who cannot argue his point.

 

 

Someday you'll grow up to be an adult. Think like an adult. Feel like an adult. Perhaps then you'll know how childish these R/propaganda really is. 

[bomber]

5 minutes ago, kwilco said:

At present there is not a single business, finance, commerce or manufacturing that isn't considering reducing, resetting or leaving completely the UK.

It doesn't matter how cheap the pound is they have supply chains established over 40 years that go both ways across Europe.....you can't expect to go cheap one way as the opposite will incur corresponding price rises....... you also can't produce if there is no market..... The car market for instance is global and will be less accessible from an isolated UK.

 

 

Basically just scour the media and see if you can find a single company that looks to expand in the event of Brexit ...they don't exist.

 

(Except for cuckoo clocks and whale blubber)

 

 

yes but there will be be plenty of jobs picking fruit and veg from the fields of englands green and pleasant land after the poles and slovaks have returned home because the pound is so weak they can make more money sweeping the streets of warsaw,maybe comrade corbyn will model the nation on comrade Pot's agrarian society when he inherits the brexit mess or will he play safe and just try and make things better with a comrade chavez style of socialism,somewhere in the middle is my guess

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, kwilco said:

This cartoon is inaccurate as it uses the Union flag.....

Firstly Scotland and Ireland did not vote to leave, and secondly  it overlooks there is a high risk it will bring about the final break up of the Union.

 

It is just another example of how terribly misinformed and distorted the Brexiteer view is.

 

Project Facts sits on the right hand side of Project Fear in the Brexit trinity - they believe it so it must be so. Sadly we have led butcher's to believe they were brain surgeons .......

 

 

 

[kwilco]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

still can't  get you facts correct if it was the telegraph here the headline 

Vauxhall 'reviewing future' of its car plants in UK and your post without link was Vauxhall Pulling out 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/11/16/vauxhall-reviewing-future-car-plants-uk/

Typicial remainer  unable to back up their Project fear posts with links 

So that makes the fact that Vauxhall is thinking of closing invalid? 

 

I think you are clutching at straws.

 

Make us feel better....find a company looking forward to expanding after Brexit.

[kwilco]

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Project Facts sits on the right hand side of Project Fear in the Brexit trinity - they believe it so it must be so. Sadly we have led butcher's to believe they were brain surgeons .......

 

 

 

Talking about butchers ...

 

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by kwilco

[vinny41]

21 minutes ago, kwilco said:

So that makes the fact that Vauxhall is thinking of closing invalid? 

 

I think you are clutching at straws.

 

Make us feel better....find a company looking forward to expanding after Brexit.

If you bother to read the article is states it is considering reducing the number of plants from 2 to 1

I think you made a similar mistake earlier this year when you told us the mini plant was closing up to xmas due to brexit when it wasn't

[mogandave]

To contribute to Grouse's list 
#1:   A no deal brexit will destroy the British economy. 
A deal could still happen but But it’s increasingly possible that they won’t—largely because Britain continues to demand a privileged relationship with the EU that Brussels will not, and probably cannot, agree to.  
 
At present, trade between Britain and the rest of the EU is seamless. There are no checks at borders or tariffs, and London-based firms can buy goods and components from suppliers based in Belgium as easily as they do from those in Birmingham. Seamless trade means that U.K. manufacturers are embedded in a web of pan-European, just-in-time supply chains.
For example, at Honda’s factory in Wiltshire, a short drive west from London, the firm holds just 36 hours’ worth of inventory. Some orders from EU suppliers arrive there in less than 24 hours. Similarly, Britain’s food industry relies on just-in-time deliveries from suppliers all over the continent; there is currently no need for refrigeration at ports because food does not need to be checked.
Following a no-deal Brexit, frictionless trade in goods would end overnight.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/02/a-no-deal-brexit-will-destroy-the-british-economy/
 IMO a Brexit deal that includes no border controls not only will be counterproductive to brexit goals as I understand them, ie British sovereignty, and threaten EU cohesiveness as other nations will demand similar deals. 
#2:  a good chance it will be the end of the UK,Scotland leaving, irish Unification, etc.
#3: without a clear consensus national post brexit strife. 

He already provided supposition, what he was going to provide were reasons the world was going to end, not things associated with the end of the world.

[SheungWan]

9 hours ago, talahtnut said:

Remainers have already been palmed off with 48 million dead EU parrots wrapped in scarry, fake, Orwellian newspapers.

But the Democratic HB parrot is a tough old bird to stuff.

No. Its the end of the road for Hard Brexit and now just reduced, at least on this forum, to dredging up old cartoons and voodoo incantations to bring forth the spirit of their right-wing loon heroes, dead or otherwise. As far as Parliament is concerned they are a right-wing rump. Ken Clarke has certainly got their number.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1029685/Brexit-news-update-Ken-Clarke-MP-right-wing-nationalists-Theresa-May

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

No. Its the end of the road for Hard Brexit and now just reduced, at least on this forum, to dredging up old cartoons and voodoo incantations to bring forth the spirit of their right-wing loon heroes, dead or otherwise. As far as Parliament is concerned they are a right-wing rump. Ken Clarke has certainly got their number.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1029685/Brexit-news-update-Ken-Clarke-MP-right-wing-nationalists-Theresa-May

I think you are better quoting Piers Morgan than the 'I'll stab you in back' Ken Clarke.

[vogie]

A man with class, who says it better than anyone else.

 

 

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

He already provided supposition, what he was going to provide were reasons the world was going to end, not things associated with the end of the world.

 

Does he take sugar?

[melvinmelvin]

21 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Does he take sugar?

doubt it

 

[mogandave]

Does he take sugar?

Or eat booger?

[talahtnut]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

No. Its the end of the road for Hard Brexit and now just reduced, at least on this forum, to dredging up old cartoons and voodoo incantations to bring forth the spirit of their right-wing loon heroes, dead or otherwise. As far as Parliament is concerned they are a right-wing rump. Ken Clarke has certainly got their number.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1029685/Brexit-news-update-Ken-Clarke-MP-right-wing-nationalists-Theresa-May

I have to agree that there will be no Brexit as promised.

People have to realize that when they read newspapers, watch

tv news, films, adverts, government broadcasts, they are being

NLPd.  [48 million of 'em]

[tomacht8]

58 minutes ago, vogie said:

A man with class, who says it better than anyone else.

 

 

Smart guy. I would not be surprised if he has bet on a falling exchange rate of the pound with leverage products.

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, kwilco said:

Every Brexiteer wants something different and it ranges from the sublime to the ridiculous!

Obviously they voted for something different but claimed they all knew exactly what they were voting for.

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, mogandave said:

So if the currency goes south and the bottom falls out of the labor market, why would manufacturers move out?

 

And for every one that moves out, why would there not be a greedy, money-grubbing multinational moving in to exploit the weak currency and cheap labor?

 

You seemed to have overlooked the 700 or so million in a single market. 

At the end of the day if you have a problem selling your product other factors become insignificant. Exactly why manufacturers may move out in the first place.

[vogie]

13 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Smart guy. I would not be surprised if he has bet on a falling exchange rate of the pound with leverage products.

I think the remainers and their friends are getting very desperate when they have to make things up.

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

I think the remainers and their friends are getting very desperate when they have to make things up.

The Brexit Short: How Hedge Funds Used Private Polls to Make Millions

"Private polls—and a timely ‘concession’ from the face of Leave—allowed the funds to make millions off the pound’s collapse."