What is the general rule for tipping?

[zzaa09]

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Where are they all hiding?
 

 

Illusion and magic. 

 

Nothing up their sleeves.

[mogandave]

So a guy works his whole life, builds a profitable business, and when he dies, the government should be able come in, take it and redistribute it.

Is that correct?

[Ks45672]

Just now, mogandave said:

So a guy works his whole life, builds a profitable business, and when he dies, the government should be able come in, take it and redistribute it.

Is that correct?
 

That's called inheritance tax but they don't take it all ,just a hefty bite.... 

[mogandave]

That's called inheritance tax but they don't take it all ,just a hefty bite.... 

If you take a healthy bite, how are the heirs able to keep the business going without selling it?

[badischer Barde]

10 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So a guy works his whole life, builds a profitable business, and when he dies, the government should be able come in, take it and redistribute it.

So a guy enjoys a luxurious life, never does anything but shopping or driving around in his Ferrari, then gets hundrets of millions inheritage, and pays much less tax per Dollar than all the other guys working hard for every cent?

 

And that is what you think is fair and good?

 

Correct?

 

edit: he's dead, Jim!

Government is not taking away the money that the guy earned by working hard all his life. He's dead. Can't take anything away from him anymore.

But they take a small portion of the money someone else gets without any efford or accomplishment of his own.

Money that most of us will not get at all.

 

If they think that is a big problem I'm sure I can find someone they can switch with..

[badischer Barde]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

If you take a healthy bite, how are the heirs able to keep the business going without selling it?

Oh waahh, waahh, cry me a river..

 

If anyone not from a rich family buys a business he has to pay 100% of its worth, and then earning the money he spent plus interest back in the following years. If he can't do that, it would have been better for anyone he didn't get (buy) this business at all.

 

Now you're telling me that the people inheriting a company cannot even earn the meager 25% inheritance tax?

Then maybe it would be better for everyone if they keep away from that company as far as possible...

[Ks45672]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

If you take a healthy bite, how are the heirs able to keep the business going without selling it?

 

I said hefty, not healthy

I suppose greedy could also be equally well used to describe it

[mogandave]

How many times should one be taxed on their income?

 

I pay taxes on it when I earn it. If I invest it, I get taxed on the earnings. If save it and leave it to my kids, the government taxes it.

 

If my coworker that made the same money I did, drinks all his money up and ends up on the public tit, the government takes my money and gives it to him.

 

Right?

 

[Nyezhov]

21 minutes ago, badischer Barde said:

oh, that guy is something... confuses socialism with communism, political systems with economical systems, Nazis with communists... but what is to be expected from an alt right guy sitting in foundations dispensing munition manufactureres money to conservative think tanks and fighting minority rights...

Why this guy.. McCarthy and Ayn Rand not in style anymore?

 

May I suggest reading something from Edward S. Herman, Noam Chomsky or Martin Gilens & Benjamin I. Page to get out of your bubble?

(Don't bother asking me to move out of mine, I have the AfD here to butt heads with, they are pretty much the german Trumps, and the cDU, which is Republicans/alt right, they won't let me live in a bubble if i wanted to)

I love the way that instead of addressing the argument, you speculate about the author using left wing talking points.

 

Not that I need to justify myself to anyone other than me, Ive read your authors and more. the bottom line: individual freedom.

[mogandave]

So a guy enjoys a luxurious life, never does anything but shopping or driving around in his Ferrari, then gets hundrets of millions inheritage, and pays much less tax per Dollar than all the other guys working hard for every cent?
 
And that is what you think is fair and good?
 
Correct?
 
edit: he's dead, Jim!
Government is not taking away the money that the guy earned by working hard all his life. He's dead. Can't take anything away from him anymore.
But they take a small portion of the money someone else gets without any efford or accomplishment of his own.
Money that most of us will not get at all.
 
If they think that is a big problem I'm sure I can find someone they can switch with..

I thought you said they should take most of it, now you say a small percentage, which is it?

What if the kid worked his heart out helping to build the company, what then?

[Ks45672]

2 minutes ago, mogandave said:

How many times should one be taxed on their income?

 

I pay taxes on it when I earn it. If I invest it, I get taxed on the earnings. If save it and leave it to my kids, the government taxes it.

 

If my coworker that made the same money I did, drinks all his money up and ends up on the public tit, the government takes my money and gives it to him.

 

Right?

 

That's about the size of it...... 

Your granddad can bust his balls for 70 years building a business, paying his income tax every year

 

When it comes time to inherit the business to his heir  it will still be taxed again in most counties

[mogandave]

Detroit, among other places

I’ve been to Detroit, I did not see anyone starving.

I’ve been all over the US and never seen anyone starving.

[Nyezhov]

21 minutes ago, badischer Barde said:

Detroit?

 

 

edit: jinx...

Population: 683,443
Median Income: $26,249
Unemployment Rate: 22.1%
Poverty Rate: 39.4%

 

I mean.. this might all be socialist propaganda the government feeds us in the EU, but.. people sleeping in their cars bcs they cant find (or afford) housing?

People without health insurance relying on the charity of free clinics?

Studies that say that the political interests of the poor have no representation whatsoever in government anymore, and those of the middle class still much less than their sheer numbers would suggest in any democratic system...

 

Not sure that's a good sign...

Thats life. Some folks prosper, others don't. Especially in places where individual intiative is throttled such as San Francisco. Ill leave it at that, my opinions arent very PC

[badischer Barde]

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

How many times should one be taxed on their income?

I pay taxes on it when I earn it. If I invest it, I get taxed on the earnings. If save it and leave it to my kids, the government taxes it.

popular misconception. Inheritance tax is payed by your kids. You'll be dead and not paying any taxes anymore...

 

And capital gain is new income...complaining that you have to pay taxes on it "again" is like complaining that you have to pay taxes at all, because your customer has already paid taxes on the money he's paying you with...

 

Don't get me wrong... I wouldn't mind paying less taxes myself. But I also enjoy the civilisation I buy with it. Healthcare, Police, Schools, Research, Culture, Streets...

So yes.. taxes are ok. They should be more fair though. And that means higher on effordless income, and lower on money you work for.

[mogandave]

Oh waahh, waahh, cry me a river..
 
If anyone not from a rich family buys a business he has to pay 100% of its worth, and then earning the money he spent plus interest back in the following years. If he can't do that, it would have been better for anyone he didn't get (buy) this business at all.
 
Now you're telling me that the people inheriting a company cannot even earn the meager 25% inheritance tax?
Then maybe it would be better for everyone if they keep away from that company as far as possible...

So a company worth 100 million and a P/E of 20 has 5 million a year of earnings and the heirs have to come up with 25 million the first year.

Yeah, that sounds fair.

[Ks45672]

2 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

I’ve been to Detroit, I did not see anyone starving.

I’ve been all over the US and never seen anyone starving.

 

You should try opening your eyes, I saw homeless people in nearly every city

In San Francisco they used to come into McDonald's and raid the garbage bags people had dumped leftovers in before the people who dumped it had even left the restaurant because they were watching through them through the windows lol

[mogandave]

You should try opening your eyes, I saw homeless people in nearly every city
In San Francisco they used to come into McDonald's and raid the garbage bags people had dumped leftovers in before the people who dumped it had even left the restaurant because they were watching through them through the windows lol

I was homeless for a few years, I don’t remember anyone starving. I do remember no one paying for food, we spent all our money on booze and dope.

You ever notice how many fat homeless there are?

You guys crack me up..,

[badischer Barde]

Just now, mogandave said:

So a company worth 100 million and a P/E of 20 has 5 million a year of earnings and the heirs have to come up with 25 million the first year.

Is that so in the US?

 

In Germany they don't have to pay anything (thanks to a neoliberal government and the lobbying of a few ultra rich oligarchs), but the constitutional court put a stop to this. Of course nobody is expected to pay 25% of a companies worth in one year. Pretty much the same as you don't have to pay your house in full as soon as you buy it. Nifty little invention called a loan, look into it.

 

9 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I’ve been to Detroit, I did not see anyone starving.

Strange... one of our important soccer-guys was in Doha and said pretty much the same about slave labour.

I'm guessing either this kind of people do not want to see what doesn't fit with their believes, or it is just hard to see from 5-star suites. But since I was never in Detroit I leave you the benefit of the doubt. Might be a true paradise there..

[badischer Barde]

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I was homeless for a few years, I don’t remember anyone starving. I do remember no one paying for food, we spent all our money on booze and dope.

Oh really... and still you believe you own all your fortune your hard work and good education? Years of booze and dope doesn't sound like hard work to me..

 

Maybe there was a little bit of good luck involved? You know, bcs I know a few scientists with Ph.D. that earn around 16k p.a., so hard work and good education does not really appear to be the key here

[mogandave]

Detroit?
 
 
edit: jinx...
Population: 683,443
Median Income: $26,249
Unemployment Rate: 22.1%
Poverty Rate: 39.4%
 
I mean.. this might all be socialist propaganda the government feeds us in the EU, but.. people sleeping in their cars bcs they cant find (or afford) housing?
People without health insurance relying on the charity of free clinics?
Studies that say that the political interests of the poor have no representation whatsoever in government anymore, and those of the middle class still much less than their sheer numbers would suggest in any democratic system...
 
Not sure that's a good sign...

Let’s don’t forget that poverty in the US includes at least one automobile and television.

People with no money can get medical care at most any hospital.

Michigan welfare benefits over $28,000 a year.

Incidentally, has Detroit historically been managed by left or right wing governments?

Ohhhhhhhh

[Ks45672]

17 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

I was homeless for a few years, I don’t remember anyone starving. I do remember no one paying for food, we spent all our money on booze and dope.

You ever notice how many fat homeless there are?

You guys crack me up..,

 

Nonsense

[mogandave]

Strange... one of our important soccer-guys was in Doha and said pretty much the same about slave labour.
I'm guessing either this kind of people do not want to see what doesn't fit with their believes, or it is just hard to see from 5-star suites. But since I was never in Detroit I leave you the benefit of the doubt. Might be a true paradise there..

Detroit used to be the richest city in the world. It’s a crap-hole now rife with crime and poverty, but there is no one starving.

[mogandave]

Oh really... and still you believe you own all your fortune your hard work and good education? Years of booze and dope doesn't sound like hard work to me..
 
Maybe there was a little bit of good luck involved? You know, bcs I know a few scientists with Ph.D. that earn around 16k p.a., so hard work and good education does not really appear to be the key here

Not sure I understand your question.

I never said I was rich, I just don’t hate the rich they way you seem to. I don’t think the government should take money from the rich and give it to me.

[mogandave]

Nonsense

That’s all ya got?

What do you think is nonsense? You’ve never seen all the fat homeless sitting on buckets with signs begging?

[badischer Barde]

25 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Detroit used to be the richest city in the world. It’s a crap-hole now rife with crime and poverty, but there is no one starving.

Ok, I guess you're right there. homelessnes, lack of medical care, poverty, all very likely, bcs we have the same (ok, minus the lack of medical care) here in cities like Detroit. But people starving might really be an exaggeration.

 

21 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Not sure I understand your question.

I never said I was rich, I just don’t hate the rich they way you seem to. I don’t think the government should take money from the rich and give it to me.

Let me ask you a question: How does asking that the very rich pay higher taxes - on money they never worked for, don't really need, and only have bcs they took it from poor people by reducing their salary or fireing them while making the rest take over their tasks - than ordinary people for their meager hard earned salary qualify as hating?

 

That's just basic fairness.

 

And why, if you're not rich, do you defend the privilegs of the rich so strongly?

It doesn't even make sense on an economical level. People inheriting hundreds of millions have no incentive to risk something, to work hard, to better themselfes, to innovate.

 

And people who have nothing do not have the means to study, to lean, or to build a startup.

 

So a system that tries to avoid both extremes, giving at least the young people similar chances to make something out of themself, should be beneficial to all.

Ok, to all but the oligarchs that profit from low taxes for the rich, cheap labour due to high unemployment, and don't really care for a collapsing public sector bcs they have private schools, private police, helicopters to avoid rundown streets...

But you say you're not one of them, so.. why?

[theguyfromanotherforum]

On 8/23/2018 at 5:07 AM, Laza 45 said:

2 to 5%.. CHEAP Charlie!!  Use your head and think about what these people are living on.. If you get good service show your appreciation by being generous.. it doesn't cost much.  Keep your satangs in your pocket... 2 to 5 % is an insult.. 

 

Shut up. You know what's insulting? A bunch of Americans who come to Thailand and impose their "culture".

 

Thais certainly don't think of you as a hero because you tip. What they think is exactly what I wrote... you making sure that every poor Thai (how ironic) will not have to open up their wallet and tip... because some high horse Westerner wants to show off.

 

Now there are places where you should certainly tip, like massage places. My wife tips a local security guard every year because he fixes my bicycle tires free of charge every time my fat ass blows them.

 

But she certainly doesn't go around like a parasite spreading out cash.

 

Ridiculous.

 

 

[Nyezhov]

7 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

Shut up. You know what's insulting? A bunch of Americans who come to Thailand and impose their "culture".

 

 

 

 

Better for them that its American culture, as opposed to others. And they tip in Canada, remember?

[badischer Barde]

40 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Incidentally, has Detroit historically been managed by left or right wing governments?

Well... it's the US, so you only have a right wing government, and a right wing government with really good PR..

 

But the question is silly, and you know that. Nobody could have saved a city so dependent on car manufacturing if all car manufacturers use NAFTA to simultaneously move 90% of the jobs to Mexico.

But hey... same here... Neoliberal Government lowering the taxes for the rich by 30%, subsidizes offshoring, but then points its finger to leftwing governed cities if they can't compensate higher unemployment with less money..

 

And of course its not leftwing governed cities that become poor, it's poor people electing left wing people to combat exploitation.

Rich people can vote conservative, why change a system you profit from?

[badischer Barde]

10 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

You know what's insulting? A bunch of Americans who come to Thailand and impose their "culture".

really?

1. tipping is not "US-culture"
2. tipping helps a lot if you have a depressingly low income
3. and having enough money to save for university, and maybe go out once in a while as opposed to "barely able to afford food and housing" is not really seen as an insult by most people.

 

But I don't get this %-stuff, that seems to be an american thing. If I have dinner for 80 Baht 5% tip is ridiculous, then I tip 25%.

If I spent 3000 at a rooftop bar I don't see any reason why I should tip any more than 1%, unless the service was overwhelming.

(Or why I should tip at all.. a single american family that tips according to US-customs with prices like that of rooftop bars should be enough to make them top earners among waiters...)

 

Do they do any more work? Or are better at it? Eh.. sometimes. But unless they are I tip around 20, no matter the prices at the place..

[Nyezhov]

12 minutes ago, badischer Barde said:

Well... it's the US, so you only have a right wing government, and a right wing government with really good PR..

 

But the question is silly, and you know that. Nobody could have saved a city so dependent on car manufacturing if all car manufacturers use NAFTA to simultaneously move 90% of the jobs to Mexico.

But hey... same here... Neoliberal Government lowering the taxes for the rich by 30%, subsidizes offshoring, but then points its finger to leftwing governed cities if they can't compensate higher unemployment with less money..

 

And of course its not leftwing governed cities that become poor, it's poor people electing left wing people to combat exploitation.

Rich people can vote conservative, why change a system you profit from?

No offense dude but you are letting your inner Marx out.

 

Im waiting for you to start talking about kulaks, toiling masses, proletarian consiousness, bourgeoise values, the problem of nationalities, class enemy...

 

Socialism is a system built and maintained by hate, envy, jealousy and control.