webfact Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Phoenix fails to rise By The Thaiger The attempt to bring the Phoenix up to surface has failed again due to ‘uncontrollable factors’. The Phuket Marine Office says that divers were trying to attach the ropes around the boat as well as trying to maneuvre larger orange ropes to make into a knot to attach to 200 litre floatation tanks. A large balloon is used to balance the boat whilst raising the boat from the floor of the Andaman Sea to prevent any damage to the boat. Full story: https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/phoenix-fails-to-rise -- © Copyright The Thaiger 2018-08-31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Will the Phoenix rise from the ashes? Will it be sold and renamed "Forever Lucky"? They seem to be struggling to refloat it, maybe using the wrong amulets or not enough incense sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Looks like a professional operation. Perhaps they could collect a few more empty fuel drums down at the tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikmar Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, PatOngo said: Will the Phoenix rise from the ashes? Will it be sold and renamed "Forever Lucky"? They seem to be struggling to refloat it, maybe using the wrong amulets or not enough incense sticks. maybe the right amulets but not enough "belief" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 This is what happens when you try to do it on the cheap, using 40 gall oil drums,it's also looks very dangerous,could result in even more deaths,they need to get proper floatation bags,maybe use the old Blimp,but maybe has too many leaks? regards Worgerdie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Time for some expert "Foreign" assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLuckyThailand Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 In a country where logic still prevails over belief, the boat would be lifted to the skies by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfinityandBeyond Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 50 minutes ago, worgeordie said: ...maybe use the old Blimp,but maybe has too many leaks? regards Worgerdie Would be hard to pull the old Blimp away from Gov't House as he is busy minding luxury watches on loan from dead friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Wonder no more of just how long kids would been in a cave without foreign assistance looking at the technology in this photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 They are trying to do it on the cheap. If tomorrow it can't be raised as well, I have been told they are forced to give the order to a professional salvage company, which will of course mean that a much, much bigger part of the 10 mio budget will be used for the operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebo Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 hours ago, webfact said: The attempt to bring the Phoenix up to surface has failed again due to ‘uncontrollable factors’. The whole country is an 'uncontrollable factor' ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Divers no doubt scared of ghost's don't want to get too close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huuwi Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 56 minutes ago, stevenl said: They are trying to do it on the cheap. If tomorrow it can't be raised as well, I have been told they are forced to give the order to a professional salvage company, which will of course mean that a much, much bigger part of the 10 mio budget will be used for the operation. you beat me to it. 10mil. baht budget.....100k for the drumms, rest for other expences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamNoone88 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 "Prevent any damage" ...... its sunk!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tompelli Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 hours ago, IamNoone88 said: "Prevent any damage" ...... its sunk!! There's a lot more damage they can do ...it could come up like a jigsaw puzzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Stalling tactics?? Maybe they do not want it raised in case damaging forensic evidence is discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Burma Bill said: Stalling tactics?? Maybe they do not want it raised in case damaging forensic evidence is discovered. No, don't think so. Just wrong people trying to raise it, so others can make a lot of extra money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Am I the only one who is starting to think that maybe the " Phoenix " will never rise. Too many questions will need answers when and if it ever does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirekicker Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, tompelli said: There's a lot more damage they can do ...it could come up like a jigsaw puzzle. This looks to be a real Heath Robinson set-up in depths of 150 meters which not be taken lightly. I suggest a 750 CFM compressor connected to a pig with air hoses running down into bulkheads or hatches which will need a long bottom time to achieve. Then close the watertight doors/hatches and bring the boat up in a controlled manner that's if the vessel actually has watertight doors /hatches and bulkheads that could withstand the pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirekicker Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 P.S. and a chamber on the surface with an operator who knows how to run a chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, tirekicker said: This looks to be a real Heath Robinson set-up in depths of 150 meters which not be taken lightly. I suggest a 750 CFM compressor connected to a pig with air hoses running down into bulkheads or hatches which will need a long bottom time to achieve. Then close the watertight doors/hatches and bring the boat up in a controlled manner that's if the vessel actually has watertight doors /hatches and bulkheads that could withstand the pressure. I don't know where you got the depth as 150 meters, it's actually at about 45 meters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Time for the Governor or Police chief to lead a team to raise it, that's how they get things done, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirekicker Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Ops......... sorry I actually meant 50 meters, 150 meters is sat territory. Still, 50 meters will require wet & dry stops for a decent working bottom time and to get the job done safely. The nearest chamber being in Phuket town hospital and too far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Oziex1 said: Time for the Governor or Police chief to lead a team to raise it, that's how they get things done, yeah. Call in the troops, the army troops that is. They're probably better at things like this than trying to run a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 hours ago, tirekicker said: Ops......... sorry I actually meant 50 meters, 150 meters is sat territory. Still, 50 meters will require wet & dry stops for a decent working bottom time and to get the job done safely. The nearest chamber being in Phuket town hospital and too far away. Interesting point, I wonder if the new Chalong hospital, near the pier, will have a decompression chamber. I know BPH has one but I've never seen the room open. When I was a student diver my "buddy" suddenly popped up to the surface because she overinflated her vest. Got her back down, but the next day she developed some symptoms so the Dr referred her to Fremantle hospital where she spent a number of hours in their chamber. Interesting experience once the worry was alleviated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, Old Croc said: Interesting point, I wonder if the new Chalong hospital, near the pier, will have a decompression chamber. I know BPH has one but I've never seen the room open. When I was a student diver my "buddy" suddenly popped up to the surface because she overinflated her vest. Got her back down, but the next day she developed some symptoms so the Dr referred her to Fremantle hospital where she spent a number of hours in their chamber. Interesting experience once the worry was alleviated. International, BPH and Vachira have decompression chambers. Don't think the new hospital will have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirekicker Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, stevenl said: International, BPH and Vachira have decompression chambers. Don't think the new hospital will have one. But do the chambers you talk about have a current Hyperbaric Test Certificate and do they have competent operators, and what Tables would they use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirekicker Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 54 minutes ago, Old Croc said: Interesting point, I wonder if the new Chalong hospital, near the pier, will have a decompression chamber. I know BPH has one but I've never seen the room open. When I was a student diver my "buddy" suddenly popped up to the surface because she overinflated her vest. Got her back down, but the next day she developed some symptoms so the Dr referred her to Fremantle hospital where she spent a number of hours in their chamber. Interesting experience once the worry was alleviated. Possibly omitted decompression and US Navy Diving Table 6 needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, tirekicker said: But do the chambers you talk about have a current Hyperbaric Test Certificate and do they have competent operators, and what Tables would they use. Yes, they do. My personal preference would be BHP or Vachira due to operators and tables used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirekicker Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, stevenl said: Yes, they do. My personal preference would be BHP or Vachira due to operators and tables used. Do the chambers have a current test cert plus what Tables do they use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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