Big Joke to fly to England to interview teen who claimed rape on Koh Tao

[Nip]

16 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

 

IF

 

UK forensics have had the T-shirt now for more than 2 months, and nothing in that regard has been reported yet.

 

If Thai forensics would not be able to conclude a DNA test within 2 months, I can not imagine how many would be bashing Thai police on this forum.

 

I'm also sure that IF the UK forensics had found such evidence that report would be all over this forum, so explain why there is no report.

I will give you a clue. In the UK indeed in real countries there are such things as legal process and such matters are dealt with in places known as COURTS. Check Wikipedia. The Thai Visa forum is not a COURT.

[Khun Paul]

Ok after all  the BS from many , we seem to forget that a 19yr old underwent a traumatic occurrence and whatever you may personally think of her, lety us at least try to show some modicum of decorum on here.

Rape in English law is easy to say , hard to prove and even harder to disprove, therefore all allegations are taken seriously. Whether or not is seems as if she is not exactly telling the truth, then I am sure the Brfit police would have made a few enquires themselves as to the history behind this girl, and possibly already outlined their results to the RTP . 

The RTP have not been given permission to interview her ( and that would be done under ENGLISH law ).  99% of the time Rape interviews are carried out by a Female officer, I hope the RTP are taking one who speaks and reads English .

Whether she agrees to be interviewed is her decision, as she is over the age of consent ( 19 ) then even her mother cannot stop her. However I am sure she will be legally represented and advised .

As to the threats made by the RTP against her, then there in my book posturing and making themselves ,look silly, having already decided that a Rape did not occur, I can only assume that this interview is to save face, nothing to do with identifying an offender, especially if it is a Thai, as we know from past experience , I quote here : 'Thais do not do that' . So whatever the outcome I am sure the UK press will be all over it , much to RTP annoyance as they do not control International press and certainly have no sway over the UK press. So any damage that may be done to the RTP or Kao Tao  or even Thailands Tourism industry , will be done because of the actions by the RTP , nothing to do with the crime 

Edited September 15, 2018 by Khun Paul
Spelling and a minor addition.

[Nip]

5 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

Really? You think that Thailand abides by international law? They don't have a good record for that.

I dont think. I know Thailand does not abide by these laws.

[janclaes47]

6 minutes ago, Nip said:

10 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I'm pretty sure someone claiming to have been raped could ask to be interviewed by a female and a female only. I find a request like that makes perfect sense and isn't at all unreasonable. Would you find it unreasonable? 

Your absolutely correct. Thai and International law dictates that she must be interviewed by a woman police officer.

 

If that is ABSOLUTELY correct , then I'm sure you can link to a credible source that confirms such a law being in place.

[frank83628]

I'm pretty sure someone claiming to have been raped could ask to be interviewed by a female and a female only. I find a request like that makes perfect sense and isn't at all unreasonable. Would you find it unreasonable? 

No, not at.all..are there any female thai officers?

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[janclaes47]

Just now, Nip said:

I will give you a clue. In the UK indeed in real countries there are such things as legal process and such matters are dealt with in places known as COURTS. Check Wikipedia. The Thai Visa forum is not a COURT.

Reading the posts in this thread, Thaivisa seems to be judge , juror and executioner.

 

We have even a member who makes up new laws on the go.

 

He goes by the name Nip

 

 

[Nip]

Just now, janclaes47 said:

 

If that is ABSOLUTELY correct , then I'm sure you can link to a credible source that confirms such a law being in place.

I know because my daughter 14 was raped in Thailand. Google it and while your at it check out UNIFEM and who is the Thai good will Ambassador.  

[janclaes47]

Just now, Nip said:

I know because my daughter 14 was raped in Thailand. Google it and while your at it check out UNIFEM and who is the Thai good will Ambassador.  

So no credible source then, I understand

[rkidlad]

Just now, frank83628 said:

No, not at.all..are there any female thai officers?

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I would hope to christ there are. But you're probably right in your inference that there aren't any. There's an awful irony there in your question. 

[Nip]

4 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

So no credible source then, I understand

No you don't understand. Go check yourself and prove me wrong. I've no intention of enlightening you. Wallow in your ignorance. This is a serious matter and I wait you to prove me wrong. You won't because I'm 100% correct.

Edited September 15, 2018 by Nip

[cangolfbuilder]

22 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

Sure you do.

14 posts.

Splendid,well done.

I am happy to amuse such an accomplished Troll. Here is to hoping that you and your 2000 posts are very happy together. Cheers

[Borzandy]

On 9/14/2018 at 3:42 PM, webfact said:

The police team investigating the rape claim will soon leave for Britain,

How many Thai specialists are expected in Britain?

[joebrown]

1 hour ago, Just Weird said:

"Her friend, Martin, was with her when she was allegedly refused the right to report the rape (that's right - we have TWO people who have stated this)".

That would be the same Martin that was supposed to be escorting her safely home after she said she felt drowsy after a night on the sherbert but who, for some reason, took the drowsy girl to the beach.   There, according to her story in The Times they sat down together, she was unraped at that stage.   Some time later she awoke alone, allegedly raped, on the same beach, with no sign of her Sir Gallahad (Martin) who appears to have left her there and buggered off.

Maybe Sir Galahad (Martin) was thinking (as you do) that nothing untoward ever happens on the paradise island of Koh Tao.

[cass74]

The comments against this 19 year old girl are disturbing and this is the reason why many rape victims don’t come forward. 

 

None of of us know what happened but  have formed our opinions based on our own experiences of Thailand & Koh Tao

 

I personally see the truth in her allegation, when I first read the news report and the sequence of events I actually thought that the way she had reacted was totally understandable and sensible.

1) Get off the island - at least you’re alive and she’d have been aware corrupt police

2) report at next available police station

3) police refuse to take rape allegation, take evidence home and report there

 

Pointless going to Embassy as they are diplomats with no power over Thai police 

 

It isn’t only her word , there is her friends word as well, he was drugged too 

 

 

[AWillOz]

I hope that he does do well, and if the charges are found to be false i hope they do prosecute her and drag her back to rot in a Thai jail. Too many farang girls just throw out the "i was raped" line knowing that nothing can happen to them and this needs to change. 

[sweatalot]

6 minutes ago, AWillOz said:

I hope that he does do well, and if the charges are found to be false i hope they do prosecute her and drag her back to rot in a Thai jail. Too many farang girls just throw out the "i was raped" line knowing that nothing can happen to them and this needs to change. 

 

source? numbers?

 

I think your opinion is totally without substance

- except of course you give me credible sources and numbers

Edited September 15, 2018 by sweatalot

[lvr181]

1 hour ago, Nip said:

I dont think. I know Thailand does not abide by these laws.

Sorry, I thought you were for real with your statement. A little scepticism/sarcasm was it? 

[frank83628]

The comments against this 19 year old girl are disturbing and this is the reason why many rape victims don’t come forward. 
 
None of of us know what happened but  have formed our opinions based on our own experiences of Thailand & Koh Tao
 
I personally see the truth in her allegation, when I first read the news report and the sequence of events I actually thought that the way she had reacted was totally understandable and sensible.
1) Get off the island - at least you’re alive and she’d have been aware corrupt police
2) report at next available police station
3) police refuse to take rape allegation, take evidence home and report there
 
Pointless going to Embassy as they are diplomats with no power over Thai police 
 
It isn’t only her word , there is her friends word as well, he was drugged too 
 
 

She managed a chain of events which were Understandable and sensible...indeed.. but all while still 'drousy' as her mother claimed..seems she was alert enough at times yet still drousy at others....hummm

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[Ks45672]

1 hour ago, cass74 said:

The comments against this 19 year old girl are disturbing and this is the reason why many rape victims don’t come forward. 

 

None of of us know what happened but  have formed our opinions based on our own experiences of Thailand & Koh Tao

 

I personally see the truth in her allegation, when I first read the news report and the sequence of events I actually thought that the way she had reacted was totally understandable and sensible.

1) Get off the island - at least you’re alive and she’d have been aware corrupt police

2) report at next available police station

3) police refuse to take rape allegation, take evidence home and report there

 

Pointless going to Embassy as they are diplomats with no power over Thai police 

 

It isn’t only her word , there is her friends word as well, he was drugged too 

 

 

Embassys have no power over the Thai  police, but victims of crime should probably inform their embassy about it anyway so they can advise future travellers 

 

A better question might be What power do  Thai police have in South London? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cass74]

33 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

She managed a chain of events which were Understandable and sensible...indeed.. but all while still 'drousy' as her mother claimed..seems she was alert enough at times yet still drousy at others....hummm

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If you’re drugged you’re completely unconscious for a few hours then you’re maybe a bit disoriented the next day.  So your maybe not fully functional but you are functioning to a certain degree and how each person reacts will be different and they shouldn’t be judged.

 

 

[Slip]

12 minutes ago, cass74 said:

If you’re drugged you’re completely unconscious for a few hours then you’re maybe a bit disoriented the next day.  So your maybe not fully functional but you are functioning to a certain degree and how each person reacts will be different and they shouldn’t be judged.

 

 

You are trying to have a meaningful conversation with one of the senior (original) KT shills.  This is an exercise in futility.

[AGareth2]

let's see

she wakes up

she is not wearing knickers or shorts

and she has a sore bum

a man is there smilling

she doesn't have a medical examination

but thinks she has been raped

mmmmmmm

going to be hard to prove 3 months later

[cracker1]

If other TV posters are correct that he can not speak English it seems very strange that he is in charge of the Tourist Police ?

[cass74]

42 minutes ago, Slip said:

You are trying to have a meaningful conversation with one of the senior (original) KT shills.  This is an exercise in futility.

Very true

 

I usually just read the forum but joined because I feel strongly about this subject and the unwarranted attacks on a 19 year old girl but I’m open to debate if it’s honest 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dallen52]

18 minutes ago, cracker1 said:

If other TV posters are correct that he can not speak English it seems very strange that he is in charge of the Tourist Police ?

Maybe English speaking tourists are not as many as we thought?

[cyberfarang]

4 hours ago, Nip said:

Your absolutely correct. Thai and International law dictates that she must be interviewed by a woman police officer.

WRONG. A female victim of sexual assault or rape may request to be interviewed by a female officer, but the police are under no legal obligations to do so.

[micmichd]

On 9/14/2018 at 1:13 PM, Torrens54 said:

Hope he doesn’t bump into Lurking Ruskie Assasins !

Why didn’t the Thai Police interview the complainant while she was in Thailand ?

She was probably too drunk. And now she's playing the #metoo victim card.

[cyberfarang]

On 9/14/2018 at 1:13 PM, Torrens54 said:

Hope he doesn’t bump into Lurking Ruskie Assasins !

Why didn’t the Thai Police interview the complainant while she was in Thailand ?

They did want to interview her while she was in Thailand. She was told to report to the correct jurisdiction police in Koh Tao, but instead she decided to only report the loss of some items for an insurance claim, meet her boyfriend at a full loon party and then do a disappearing act sharpish. She didn`t even bother to report the matter to the British Embassy for their support. The next thing is a statement from mummy berating the police and the island. 

 

Another point, the boyfriend and friends she was with have all gone quite. Why? Because they too know this rape claim is a load of bull because no one has come forward as witnesses to offer their support.

[Dumbastheycome]

Meanwhile, back in real  time reality, if the RTP were to or had restrospectively  started an investigation  on the basis of a  rape  complaint which they have  no  official record of  where would they  begin?  Arresting   any and every  smiling  man in sight or?

Sifting the  sands  of a tidal wash  for seminal residues  from persons unknown or ?

Or     ....  maybe requesting  the  claimed  evidence  from a t shirt  and another   sample  of the  boyfriend? At least a start point. 

Work it out  peep-ls!

There is  nothing to work with  for any investigation. The  victim  has avoided providing anything !

It  is  not   "case  closed".

It  is  "what  case? ".

 

 

 

 

 

[AlexRich]

6 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"You claim that she did not report a rape, and is therefore lying to the world". 

You seem to be claiming that she did report a rape.  

 

"No proper professional investigation has taken place, and never will ... for a number of reasons that have little to do with the victim..."

You mean the "victim" who, nearly three months after the alleged incident has still not officially made a complaint to the only agency she can make a complaint to and expect an investigation, nor has she allowed herself to be interviewed about the alleged rape?  I think those circumstances have a lot to do with the alleged victim.

She reported the attack to Thai police, who did nothing ... nothing until the reports hit the headlines ... then the white wash team showed up for a photo op and declared no crime took place and the girl was a liar who should be banned from Thailand ... so that's the people she should be talking to?