Thailand to double airport capacity, surpassing Singapore's Changi

[nong38]

11 hours ago, Aj Mick said:

One wonders why they didn't build an airport with double the capacity in the first place, instead of building swampy Suvarnabhumi, which reached its designed capacity within half a dozen years, 

Forward planning old chap, never thought about it and in any case 2 envelopes are better than one eh!!

[CLW]

There is some truth to this.  The fact is, Asian cultures in general suffer the side effects of the status system.  In a Western culture, where individuality is regarded highly, it is less likely that a superior will prevent the expression of others' ideas via an autocratic management style.  In collectivist societies, however, innovation is repressed by the higher value of respect of one's superiors--a value which takes precedence over the expression of one's own ideas in order to save face, both for the superior and for oneself.  In the end, any organization where essentially one mind, the one at the top, controls everything, cannot well compete against an organization where many minds work collaboratively.

But China can do it...

[CLW]

While I would agree that Thailand's airport expansion is necessary and the high speed train will help-  where is any planning for job creation in Issan?   While incomes continue to rise along with an expanding middle class in Bangkok; Samut Prakan; Chonburi and Rayong-  there is not much work in Issan other than farming and even that is diminishing with the use of tractors and automation.
 
Thailand's economy is expanding but there is not an even distribution of the wealth.  Thailand appears to be emulating Europe and America which has seen uneven prosperity.
 
I would hope that Thailand comes up with a 20 year plan and an Issan Economic Corridor or the country is going to have huge disparity; lack of opportunity as their youth move into adulthood and expanded crime. There is not enough social planning; everything continues to be about money and foreign investment but that money and investment remains entrenched in the already wealthy.

Didn't the government talk a while ago about developing Khon Khaen into a model city of the 21st century including all modern amenities.
I haven't heard about that long time ago...

[Fex Bluse]

5 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

There is some truth to this.  The fact is, Asian cultures in general suffer the side effects of the status system.  In a Western culture, where individuality is regarded highly, it is less likely that a superior will prevent the expression of others' ideas via an autocratic management style.  In collectivist societies, however, innovation is repressed by the higher value of respect of one's superiors--a value which takes precedence over the expression of one's own ideas in order to save face, both for the superior and for oneself.  In the end, any organization where essentially one mind, the one at the top, controls everything, cannot well compete against an organization where many minds work collaboratively.

Probably the best (and most respectful) way this has ever been explained to me. Thank you for that

[Fex Bluse]

36 minutes ago, CLW said:

5 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

There is some truth to this.  The fact is, Asian cultures in general suffer the side effects of the status system.  In a Western culture, where individuality is regarded highly, it is less likely that a superior will prevent the expression of others' ideas via an autocratic management style.  In collectivist societies, however, innovation is repressed by the higher value of respect of one's superiors--a value which takes precedence over the expression of one's own ideas in order to save face, both for the superior and for oneself.  In the end, any organization where essentially one mind, the one at the top, controls everything, cannot well compete against an organization where many minds work collaboratively.

But China can do it...

I like the answer. I also agree that other collectivist societies can get things done. Singapore, Taiwan, China, Japan, Korea, India - all to varying degrees. 

 

I think Thailand suffers from several ailments. People fairly lazy compared to Asian peers in the list I've provided. Very small educated class. High (unfounded) national arrogance. 

 

I don't want to bash though. That's not my point. I just tire of the pronouncements every year, every month, every week that almost never come to fruition 

[holy cow cm]

and it will be all coming from china. double the numbers and this country is trash. 

[CLW]

I like the answer. I also agree that other collectivist societies can get things done. Singapore, Taiwan, China, Japan, Korea, India - all to varying degrees. 
 
I think Thailand suffers from several ailments. People fairly lazy compared to Asian peers in the list I've provided. Very small educated class. High (unfounded) national arrogance. 
 
I don't want to bash though. That's not my point. I just tire of the pronouncements every year, every month, every week that almost never come to fruition 

Very good explained.
It might be a burden to the Thai society until now that they have never been colonised or implented socialism.
That is just a guess but as you mentioned and look at their neighbouring countries there could be some truth in that theory.

[Thaidream]

44 minutes ago, CLW said:

dn't the government talk a while ago about developing Khon Khaen into a model city of the 21st century including all modern amenities.
I haven't heard about that long time ag

I was in Khon Khaen recently and quite impressed by the way traffic flows- traffic laws actually enforced and drivers actually obeying the law.  KK also has a first class medical facility as well as a Full University.  As rural cities go- quite modern.

 

The problem is that Isaan which holds a huge population is still basically rural and agricultural but the opportunities for farming a less and Thai youth don't want to become farmers.  Education levels are poor and there are limited job opportunities.  The impact of drugs has been devastating.  Infrastructure is poor.  The majority of  good paying jobs are not in Issan and it is common knowledge that many Issan girls go South to the entertainment industry.

 

Issan really needs a plan similar to the Eastern Economic Corridor with investment in jobs and infrastructure.   Not everyone should have to go to Bangkok and surrounding areas to find work.

[CLW]

I was in Khon Khaen recently and quite impressed by the way traffic flows- traffic laws actually enforced and drivers actually obeying the law.  KK also has a first class medical facility as well as a Full University.  As rural cities go- quite modern.
 
The problem is that Isaan which holds a huge population is still basically rural and agricultural but the opportunities for farming a less and Thai youth don't want to become farmers.  Education levels are poor and there are limited job opportunities.  The impact of drugs has been devastating.  Infrastructure is poor.  The majority of  good paying jobs are not in Issan and it is common knowledge that many Issan girls go South to the entertainment industry.
 
Issan really needs a plan similar to the Eastern Economic Corridor with investment in jobs and infrastructure.   Not everyone should have to go to Bangkok and surrounding areas to find work.

Good to hear that there is some development going on.
On the other hand I heard from the area around Korat where some new big factories have been built that they are struggling to find workers.

[Sir Dude]

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Thailand is embarking on a building spree that promises to more than double the passenger capacity of airports in and around Bangkok, propelling the Thai capital past regional hub Singapore by that measure.

Thailand wants to be swamped by Chinese tourists and already is a done deal. The ghastliness will only intensify to the point where no-one other than Chinese or Indians will want to be here.

[dinsdale]

They'll need to to accommodate all the Chinese having a quick stop over on their way to Cambodia.?

[The Deerhunter]

16 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Hopefully they will employ some extra immigration officers, to avoid the disgraceful queues at most of the country's airports. Changi at any time of day, you are through in minutes. Here an hour, sometimes two or more are way too regular, which is a shitty way to arrive in a country, especially if you have flown long haul.

Nice if they doubled the. Parking area at Swampy too. Some times we cannot park at all.  Thank heavens for mobile phones or guests and family might never find us.

[josephbloggs]

 

6 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Build another airport to bring in more passengers to an already capacity filled city with little or no expansion to infrastructure or mass transit system.. Just shoe horn in the money.!

"Little or no expansion to infrastructure or mass transit system".  Er......have you been living in a cave?  There are so many extensions and expansions of the mass transit system either complete, or under construction.  2nd extension of the green line opens in a few months.  Purple line opened less than two years ago.  There are five other lines under construction with several more to be tendered in the next couple of years.  Have you seen the size of the new Bang Sue Grand Central Station?  

 

Even for TV that was a massively ill-informed post, but it gave you a chance to slam the Thais for greed so that made you feel nice inside I'm sure.

[The manic]

21 hours ago, Chang_paarp said:

When Swampy was first proposed it was designed to be a lot larger that Don Muang to to accommodate foreseen expansion in the industry at the time and give DM back to the air force.

Unfortunately it took almost 20 years to get the project off the ground and the goal posts had well and truly moved in that time. As a result DM has to be reopened and then upgraded to meet "unforeseen" demand.

The Brits have been arguing about an extra runway at Heathrow for 40 years!

[The manic]

10 hours ago, CLW said:

15 hours ago, AsianAtHeart said:

There is some truth to this.  The fact is, Asian cultures in general suffer the side effects of the status system.  In a Western culture, where individuality is regarded highly, it is less likely that a superior will prevent the expression of others' ideas via an autocratic management style.  In collectivist societies, however, innovation is repressed by the higher value of respect of one's superiors--a value which takes precedence over the expression of one's own ideas in order to save face, both for the superior and for oneself.  In the end, any organization where essentially one mind, the one at the top, controls everything, cannot well compete against an organization where many minds work collaboratively.

But China can do it...

China is sh!te.

[CLW]

China is sh!te.

Nope. It is not. Have you been there?