Russians and Ukranians

[Rc2702]

Had a few recent experiences working with Russians and Ukrainians lately and I've been really impressed with both nations. Great grasp of English and very adept at the tasks required.

 

I've had a few run ins with Russian holiday makers in years gone by but professionally they seem extremely co-operative.

 

Am I just lucky or is this negativity towards Russians just a media frenzy and underneath it all the Russians are a decent bunch to work with. Excluding certain areas of course?

[Ks45672]

Every country has a wide range of characters 

The ones I worked with were cool

 

The ones who get arrested for their drunken adventures in pattaya get the most publicity tho... ???? 

[Suradit69]

On 9/24/2018 at 3:24 PM, Rc2702 said:

experiences working with Russians and Ukrainians lately and I've been really impressed with both nations.

You're generalizing about a small number of individuals and projecting their character and behavior onto their entire nations.  Some people have a few negative experiences with Russians or Ukrainians (or Chinese or Thais) and, based on those experiences, make sweeping generalizations about all people from those countries.

 

Unfortunately most people, particularly those who like to spread their prejudices far and wide, are more enthusiastic about generalizing if it involves negativity ... the opportunity to bash and put down.

 

Every nation has good people, bad people and people with a bit of both good and bad. Far better to take people as individuals regardless of where they come from.

 

 

[Ireland32]

Only when they go to 7/11 and they get between me and my friend to set his beer bottles down and try to pay , when I’m being served

[grumpy 4680]

Its not the Russian people that are disliked, Its PUTIN and his cronies in the GRU. He's not making Russia great again by murdering opponents, oppression of ordinary Russians, shooting down MH 370, poison attacks, etc, etc,etc. Russians are being painted badly by PUTIN's brush.

[Bang Bang]

14 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:

Its not the Russian people that are disliked, Its PUTIN and his cronies in the GRU. He's not making Russia great again by murdering opponents, oppression of ordinary Russians, shooting down MH 370, poison attacks, etc, etc,etc. Russians are being painted badly by PUTIN's brush.

Nah, I'd take Putin any day over the US from a foreigner's perspective. Starting from Vietnam to Iraq through one country after another in South/Central America and northern Africa, the US has been bullying, regime changing, starting wars for no good cause and slaughtering and maiming millions for the past several decades.

 

Don't see Putin do anything more than vigorously protect Russian interests.

 

From the inside the US is great - heck, I worked there for many years and made a lot of money thank you very much - but from the outside it sucks.

Edited September 25, 2018 by Bang Bang

[Aussieroaming]

I have worked with some decent Russkies too in an ex Russian CIS country. 

[grumpy 4680]

Sorry Bang Bang, I totally disagree.The invasion in Eastern Ukraine and crimea, does not come under protecting Russian interest's. (just greed) The breakup of the U.S.S.R, was total Independance for Ukraine, and other eastern countries they invaded during W.W.2. 

   True the US interfered with many countries with despot leaders, So what would the world be like today if they did'nt, they don't attack those countries for personal land gains (not like the Russians).

  And look at Russia's allies, N.Korea, Iran and Syria, not exactly a reputable band of cut throats, say'sit all about Russia.

 

 

[Fairynuff]

48 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:

Its not the Russian people that are disliked, Its PUTIN and his cronies in the GRU. He's not making Russia great again by murdering opponents, oppression of ordinary Russians, shooting down MH 370, poison attacks, etc, etc,etc. Russians are being painted badly by PUTIN's brush.

Whilst I a completely agree with you on Putin and politics, it was the Russian people who put him there and most of them adore and support him. That makes me very cautious of having anything to do with them

[Belzybob]

I can't but help to think this is nothing more than a trolling post. Anyone with half a brain will come to their own conclusions based on their actual experiences. Anything read on TV should be treated with suspicion at best of times.

[Requirement]

16 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:

So what would the world be like today if they did'nt,

 

A better place...

[Bang Bang]

7 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:

Sorry Bang Bang, I totally disagree.The invasion in Eastern Ukraine and crimea, does not come under protecting Russian interest's. (just greed) The breakup of the U.S.S.R, was total Independance for Ukraine, and other eastern countries they invaded during W.W.2. 

   True the US interfered with many countries with despot leaders, So what would the world be like today if they did'nt, they don't attack those countries for personal land gains (not like the Russians).

  And look at Russia's allies, N.Korea, Iran and Syria, not exactly a reputable band of cut throats, say'sit all about Russia.

 

 

You must be pulling my leg.

 

Allende in Chile was a despot? Mossadegh in Iran a democratically elected despot? N. Vietnam fighting for self-rule? Iraq invaded and millions killed for non-existent WMDs?

 

And the hypocrisy of the US is astonishing. First, they support the brutal Shah in Iran for limitless cheap gas. But once their man is overthrown in a popular revolution and Iran escapes from US clutches they goad Saddam into attacking Iran, arming him to the teeth in the process (including with nerve gas which he also used again home-grown Kurds). Then, when Saddam gets uppity they attack him.

 

What the world got from the US and is grateful for are the iPhone, Facebook and some quality porn. The rest they can keep.

 

[JayBird]

A few years ago when Russians were visitin Pattaya in vast numbers, they got a bit of a negative reputation.

 

Those russians tended to be less travelled and spoke almost no English. Thus they tended to appear rude.

 

 

The ones here now tend to be more travelled and have better English. Thus they behave in a manner that is considered more polite.

 

On the whole, I rarely met a well travelled Russian who was rude.

 

 

And no, Putin does not have pp tapes on me.

[grumpy 4680]

15 minutes ago, Requirement said:

A better place...

How is that ?  The US did not stay to impose its own agenda, They let the people decide, but the idiots could not agree on how to better their countries, so they ended up fighting among themselves, the US tried to help them, trouble was they could not help themselves.

[Rc2702]

Just now, Belzybob said:

I can't but help to think this is nothing more than a trolling post. Anyone with half a brain will come to their own conclusions based on their actual experiences. Anything read on TV should be treated with suspicion at best of times.

Easy to veer there but no you are wrong I have recently had these experiences with more than a few Russians and they seem very adept and professional and it made me wonder what all the fuss is about when dealing with Russians as not many do in my line and yet what they provide is superior.

[samsensam]

 

i've worked with russians and ukrainians and found them professional and easy to get on with. there are of course bad apples from every country and invariably they attract the negative headlines.

 

it's a pity that so many on these forums make sweeping negative generalisations about many nationalities based ignorance and/or being uniformed and/or simply being judgemental.

[connda]

What a lot of the people on the left side of the Bell Curve don't realize is that the average people in most nations are - well, average people.  Virtually no one is a reflection of their country's foreign policy.  So amazingly, the average Russian will surprisingly be a lot like the average Westerner.
Hummm  ????  Surprise, surprise.

[Bang Bang]

19 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:

How is that ?  The US did not stay to impose its own agenda, They let the people decide, but the idiots could not agree on how to better their countries, so they ended up fighting among themselves, the US tried to help them, trouble was they could not help themselves.

 

You look at grumpy and see the problem with the US. A large section of the population that's not particularly educated, unfamiliar with history and mildly thick. So when someone like Bush comes along and makes growling noises about good vs. evil, they start chanting USA, USA without a clue, and off goes their military on another birdbrain adventure.

[grumpy 4680]

5 minutes ago, Bang Bang said:

 

You look at grumpy and see the problem with the US. A large section of the population that's not particularly educated, unfamiliar with history and mildly thick. So when someone like Bush comes along and makes growling noises about good vs. evil, they start chanting USA, USA without a clue, and off goes their military on another birdbrain adventure.

What Rubbish, Iv'e come to the conclusion that its true, too much bang bang can damage the brain.

[KhunFred]

Yobbos are never popular regardless of nationality. Russians can certainly be difficult if intoxicated. If sober, they seem reasonable and well educated.

[Esso49]

1 hour ago, Bang Bang said:

Nah, I'd take Putin any day over the US from a foreigner's perspective. Starting from Vietnam to Iraq through one country after another in South/Central America and northern Africa, the US has been bullying, regime changing, starting wars for no good cause and slaughtering and maiming millions for the past several decades.

 

Don't see Putin do anything more than vigorously protect Russian interests.

 

From the inside the US is great - heck, I worked there for many years and made a lot of money thank you very much - but from the outside it sucks.

And what exactly were Russia's interest in Afghanistan, other than communist bullying that they had to be there for 10 years ? I mean by the time Bush went in to exact revenge because of 9/11 everything that could be bombed had been bombed by the Russians.  The only thing left for Bush to bomb were caves !

Edited September 25, 2018 by Esso49

[Bang Bang]

9 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

And what exactly were Russia's interest in Afghanistan, other than communist bullying that they had to be there for 10 years ?

Totally agree. Then the Russians got their butts kicked and scampered home never to be seen again. In  other words, they were smart enough to learn a lesson, even if the hard way.

 

The trouble with the US though is they seem never to get their fill of getting their butts kicked. That wretched country invades for no good reason, gets the local population all against them (obviously) except for those they pay, and then want to stick around forever blighting the place.

Edited September 25, 2018 by Bang Bang

[Thaidream]

1 hour ago, Bang Bang said:

Allende in Chile was a despot? Mossadegh in Iran a democratically elected despot? N. Vietnam fighting for self-rule? Iraq invaded and millions killed for non-existent WMDs?

 

And the hypocrisy of the US is astonishing. First, they support the brutal Shah in Iran for limitless cheap gas. But once their man is overthrown in a popular revolution and Iran escapes from US clutches they goad Saddam into attacking Iran, arming him to the teeth in the process (including with nerve gas which he also used again home-grown Kurds). Then, when Saddam gets uppity they attack him

While I disagree with your overall comments- I would agree that the US has baggage and you outlined some-of it.

 

However, I believe throughout History the US has done more good than bad.  As far as Iraq-please remember that the US was attacked and lost almost 3,000 people.  Any nation that suffers such an attack will fight back.  However, the whole issue with Iraq is questionable.

 

Here are a few of the things America has done that are quite positive-

 

World War I

World War II

Korean War

Massive Aid to Africa for Ebola outbreak

Massive foreign Aid to Africa to curb and provide AIDS/HIV treatment

Marshall Plan which rebuilt Europe after WW II

Massive Aid to Japan after WW II

Landing a human being on the moon- huge technological leap

Creating the Internet.

 

Every country acts in its own national interest.  I don't condemn  Russia for it's current foreign policy nor do I completely condemn America for it's past foreign policy.  However I do condemn a country like Russia which is undemocratic; has a History of invasion of countries and subjugation of it's peoples.

 

 

 

[Rc2702]

Just now, Bang Bang said:

Totally agree. Then the Russians got their butts kicked and scampered home never to be seen again. In  other words, they were smart enough to learn a lesson, even if the hard way.

 

The trouble with the US though is they seem never to get their fill of getting their butts kicked. That wretched country invades for no good reason, gets the local population all against them (obviously) except for those they pay, and then want to stick around forever blighting the place.

But you know something all you know it alls.  You are not discussing Russians you are discussing politics and government and that has absolutely nothing to do with the post and just supports the idea that you all have no real experience with Russians besides what you see and hear on the news. Bunch of dedushkas with nothing better to do by the looks of it.

[baansgr]

Best people Ive ever worked with. no complaints from me, in fact nothing but praise.

[Bang Bang]

1 minute ago, Thaidream said:

As far as Iraq-please remember that the US was attacked and lost almost 3,000 people.  Any nation that suffers such an attack will fight back.

Are you stupid? Not a single Iraqi  was on those flights. And never a connection between 9/11 and Iraq established.

 

6 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

World War I

World War II

Korean War

Massive Aid to Africa for Ebola outbreak

Massive foreign Aid to Africa to curb and provide AIDS/HIV treatment

Marshall Plan which rebuilt Europe after WW II

Massive Aid to Japan after WW II

Landing a human being on the moon- huge technological leap

Creating the Internet.

The world wars were won by allied efforts, including a huge sacrifice by Russians. Other than that I will grant your list.

 

8 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

However I do condemn a country like Russia which is undemocratic;

Russia has free and fair elections according to every impartial observer except for some western media.

 

But here's my point about the US: it could do with a little less democracy. Because, like I said above, you have huge poorly-educated population easily manipulated by big-money campaigns (read corporations and the rich)  into voting for dumb causes.

 

I think about 20% of Americans should have their voting rights taken away until they submit to a simple test: point out the US on a world map.

 

 

[steve2112]

i've rented to many russians and found them to be very nice, respectful, honest people, never had a problem with them. people on the other side of the channel tunnel however, (mentioning no names), different story

[theguyfromanotherforum]

On 9/24/2018 at 4:24 AM, Rc2702 said:

Had a few recent experiences working with Russians and Ukrainians lately and I've been really impressed with both nations. Great grasp of English and very adept at the tasks required.

 

I've had a few run ins with Russian holiday makers in years gone by but professionally they seem extremely co-operative.

 

Am I just lucky or is this negativity towards Russians just a media frenzy and underneath it all the Russians are a decent bunch to work with. Excluding certain areas of course?

 

No, it's just jealous Thai Visa posters because most Russians in Pattaya don't chase prostitutes, but show op on the beach with their very hot russian gf/wives.

[CG1 Blue]

17 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

No, it's just jealous Thai Visa posters because most Russians in Pattaya don't chase prostitutes, but show op on the beach with their very hot russian gf/wives.

Or show up on the beach with their Russian rentals...

[grumpy 4680]

4 minutes ago, Bang Bang said:

Are you stupid? Not a single Iraqi  was on those flights. And never a connection between 9/11 and Iraq established.

 

The world wars were won by allied efforts, including a huge sacrifice by Russians. Other than that I will grant your list.

 

Russia has free and fair elections according to every impartial observer except for some western media.

 

But here's my point about the US: it could do with a little less democracy. Because, like I said above, you have huge poorly-educated population easily manipulated by big-money campaigns (read corporations and the rich)  into voting for dumb causes.

 

I think about 20% of Americans should have their voting rights taken away until they submit to a simple test: point out the US on a world map.

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Bang Bang said:

Totally agree. Then the Russians got their butts kicked and scampered home never to be seen again. In  other words, they were smart enough to learn a lesson, even if the hard way.

 

The trouble with the US though is they seem never to get their fill of getting their butts kicked. That wretched country invades for no good reason, gets the local population all against them (obviously) except for those they pay, and then want to stick around forever blighting the place.

 

47 minutes ago, Bang Bang said:

 

You look at grumpy and see the problem with the US. A large section of the population that's not particularly educated, unfamiliar with history and mildly thick. So when someone like Bush comes along and makes growling noises about good vs. evil, they start chanting USA, USA without a clue, and off goes their military on another birdbrain adventure.

 

2 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

No, it's just jealous Thai Visa posters because most Russians in Pattaya don't chase prostitutes, but show op on the beach with their very hot russian gf/wives.

 

9 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

No, it's just jealous Thai Visa posters because most Russians in Pattaya don't chase prostitutes, but show op on the beach with their very hot russian gf/wives.

nice to get back to the original topic on Russians, I simply originally stated that it was Putin giving Russians a bad name, however, politics have emerged, and certain facts should be rectified, fair elections ???, there was no opposition, Putin took care of that. And Iraq was attacked because of threat of WMD, not 9/11