Senator's dramatic demand spurs Trump to order FBI Kavanaugh probe

[Gecko123]

We'll investigate, but it has to be wrapped up within a week.

 

That's real confidence instilling. Can only hope the Senate judiciary committee is never put in charge of investigating my murder.

[farcanell]

1 hour ago, sungod said:

 

I have not seen any reason given, hence me asking. But it seems awfully suspicious to me she would wait until now to perform her civic duty. Sexual assault allegations are very serious, her civic duty would have been to report the crime at the time thus to possibly prevent further attacks to other women.

 

I'm a Brit, and thought our politics were in a mess until see whats happening in the US, this smells of political BS to me.

 

???? right.... so... as a Brit, you would probably be aware that between 80 and 85% of rapes in Britain Are unreported..... therefore her non reporting of her (fords) attempted rape (or molestation) falls into the category of normal, in your country, as well as mine.... as well as the US... so no need to hammer that nail

 

as to timing... it was first raised in 2012, I believe.... and the subsequent letter by Ford, which was to be kept confidential at fords request, to her congresswoman, got leaked. (Ford feared for the country, in the event of the appointment of a sexual predator to the highest court... hence her civil duty on learning of his nomination)

 

the timing of the leak was undoubtedly political,... the nomination is a political process, in itself.. but who leaked it is unknown, as friends and associates of ford had become aware of the existence of the letter and allegations, and obviously someone figured that an alleged sexual predators nomination should be properly challenged.... and most people seem to agree.

 

We see “bombshells” in every part of life... (a shattering or devasting event)... these are almost always unexpected... this is just another example of a bombshell announcement, so is it that hard to swallow?

 

regardless, the take away should be that these allegations (broadly ,not specifically) should alway be addressed in an attempt, as a minimum, to increase the level of reporting worldwide.... and the judiciary committee specifically, should see this as a priority

 

this investigation, regardless of the outcome, is the responsible way forward... its disappointing that it took such efforts to get, and that it is under strict restrictions... but it’s a positive step

 

I credit the two women who accosted flake, for the turnaround.

[Thingamabob]

I didn't believe much of Christine's testimony, but neither am I impressed by Brett's demeanour or performance. In other words I don't like either of them.

[FritsSikkink]

7 hours ago, dcutman said:

I am sure the dems have shills lined up for the next several weeks, to make even more BS allegations. They will demand an FBI investigation for every single one starting most likely tonight or early tomorrow  morning.

The woman took a polygraph and passed, so what are you talking about. 

[Gecko123]

Those dismissing Ford's claims as not credible need to check out this clip, esp. at 1:00 mark talking about Kavanaugh's July 1 entry. Pretty powerful in my view.

 

 

[parallaxtech]

This all reminds me of why I left the US fifteen-years-ago, never to return even for a visit.

 

If you can't win an election or anything else, don't be a sore loser, destroy the winner with any means possible.  This will all backfire on the Democrats and expose them for what they are.

 

US men lost their cajones and will not fight for equal rights.  When a woman can destroy a man with an unsubstantiated complaint, and he is guilty until proven innocent, then there is a serious imbalance in equality.  I suggest the men start a Me3 Movement and begin arresting all the women who financially raped them in the past, including little Molly who scammed me out of my lunch money thirty-five years ago, which I can't prove.

Edited September 29, 2018 by parallaxtech
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[Jingthing]

47 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

I didn't believe much of Christine's testimony, but neither am I impressed by Brett's demeanour or performance. In other words I don't like either of them.

Ms. Ford is not interviewing for a lifetime SCOTUS seat. It's not a matter of liking either person. 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, parallaxtech said:

This all reminds me of why I left the US fifteen-years-ago, never to return even for a visit.

 

If you can't win an election or anything else, don't be a sore loser, destroy the winner with any means possible.  This will all backfire on the Democrats and expose them for what they are.

 

US men lost their cojones and will not fight for equal rights.  When a woman can destroy a man with an unsubstantiated complaint, and he is guilty until proven innocent, then there is a serious imbalance in equality.  I suggest the men start a Me3 Movement and begin arresting all the women who financially raped them in the past, including little Molly who scammed me out of my lunch money thirty-five years ago, which I can't prove.

You don't get it. The senate doesn't hold criminal trials. It's not a matter of beyond a reasonable doubt. It's a job interview and the applicant is clearly already a known liar. So what else is he lying about? Yes, I think he probably did what Ms. Ford charges. Not to the level of conviction but important enough to consider as one of the MANY reasons to reject him for SCOTUS. 

[parallaxtech]

I never said it did nor did I comment on the JFK assassination.  Try reading it again.  This is all about going after Trump, anyone he supports, and regaining the power they lost.

Edited September 29, 2018 by parallaxtech

[Srikcir]

55 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

neither am I impressed by Brett's demeanour or performance.

It's not like Kavanaugh was Trump's only choice nor did Trump lack women candidates:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/whos-on-president-trumps-list-to-replace-justice-kennedy/2018/06/27/7010f67a-7a36-11e8-93cc-6d3beccdd7a3_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9ca541a45012

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Srikcir said:

It's not like Kavanaugh was Trump's only choice nor did Trump lack women candidates:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/whos-on-president-trumps-list-to-replace-justice-kennedy/2018/06/27/7010f67a-7a36-11e8-93cc-6d3beccdd7a3_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9ca541a45012

 

Yes, but he was extra special because of his unusual views opposing special investigate counsels of presidents while they are in office. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 hours ago, sungod said:

Following this as a matter of being forced to really as its on the TV all the time, but has any reason been given that it took 36 years for this allegation to surface, that it also coincides with is what a political appointment?

 

Perhaps the fact the guy was being considered for a pivotal, tie-breaking lifetime appointment to the nation's highest Supreme Court had something to do with the woman finally speaking up...

 

Or in terms of why she waited, perhaps she knew and anticipated what was likely to happen if/when she did speak up even in this era of #MeToo -- being attacked by the right-wing industry, having to move her home, receiving death threats, etc etc.

 

And then once she did finally speak up, what do we discover?  This guy had a hard drinking reputation in college, as corroborated by the reference in his friend's writings; other women have come forward with similar allegations against him, perhaps some more credible than others. And, what I consider to be important and telling, that there are accounts that various of them reported the incidents to friends and others in the wake of the alleged contact.  Not just raising the allegation now that they'd never mentioned to anyone before.

 

IMHO, where there's smoke, there's usually some fire.

[Jingthing]

Yes the way this developed was definitely messy.

 

But those charging Ford as being part of a political conspiracy against "trump" are totally full of it.

 

It's known that she tried to get the information to the white house (via her congresswoman) BEFORE Kavanaugh was picked! She knew he was on the short list and felt that she had good information on why that one right wing judge in particular should have never been picked.

 

Understandably she wanted to be anonymous. 

 

If that had worked, if the white house had the info and had taken it seriously (doubtful that they would have though), if Kavanaugh had never been picked, you wouldn't know Ford's name.

Edited September 29, 2018 by Jingthing

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, but he was extra special because of his unusual views opposing special investigate counsels of presidents while they are in office. 

 

Except in the past case of President Clinton, when he was all for it.

 

My my, how his legal views have changed now with Trump in office.

 

But I'm sure that nothing to do with Trump's decision to nominate him over all the other non-horndog candidates, including a variety of right-wing female judges. 

 

Or, perhaps President Trump of the serial adulterer and "just grab them by the pu**y" fame felt he had found a kindred spririt in Kavanaugh.

 

Edited September 29, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[wabothai]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The FBI are going to go after:

 

Kavanaugh’s ‘wingman’ Mark Judge (He’ll cut a deal against Kavanaugh but still do time himself).

 

Kavanaugh’s multiple counts of Purjury before The Senate, both for this appointment and for his previous appointment to the appellate court.

 

Kavanaugh’s perjured financial declaration to the Senate.

 

Kavanaugh’s ‘disappearing’ debts, where he managed to find the deposite for his house (at a time when he was in debt), where he found the $92,000 membership fee for his country club.

 

Tax and corruption charges relating to the above.

 

Kavanaugh’s gambling, alcohol and drug usage.

 

Kavanaugh’s (alleged) sex crimes.

 

 

 

His life as he knows it is over.

More to the point is how he will function as SC judge in case he gets confirmed.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, wabothai said:

More to the point is how he will function as SC judge in case he gets confirmed.

 

I'd imagine, if he's confirmed, he and Clarence Thomas should get along very well together.

 

After all, they apparently have a lot in common! 

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I'd imagine, if he's confirmed, he and Clarence Thomas should get along very well together.

 

After all, they apparently have a lot in common! 

Kav is playing hard ball now. 

He clearly was afraid of the FBI looking into these specific accusations.

If he's shown "clean" after a week he will be confirmed and though stained he will carry on.

There are grey areas as well on what clean means.

Kav went hard core claiming he NEVER drank so much as to blackout.

So if there is strong evidence that he did, then that's a problem. That would be proof that he lied UNDER OATH.

If he fails to makes it through this "clean enough", his current job as a federal judge may be in jeopardy as well!

 

He could have played this differently which might have worked and not been as risky. He could have said, yes I was a heavy drinker in high school and college, yes I partied a lot, yes I went after girls while I was drunk, but I have no recollection of any incident as described by Ms. Ford. I was a wild and crazy kid, sorry, but look at me now! But that isn't the way that "trump" would have approved of. 

 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Jingthing

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Kav is playing hard ball now. 

He clearly was afraid of the FBI looking into these specific accusations.

If he's shown "clean" after a week he will be confirmed and though stained he will carry on.

If not, his current job as a federal judge may be in jeopardy as well!

 

 

I haven't been following this case in minute detail, as it's simply too disgusting to spend a lot of mental energy on.

 

But as one poster above mentioned, it seemed there were a variety of OTHER issues raised about Kavanaugh in the wake of his nomination -- credibility, drinking, gambling-financial, unlimited executive power, abortion rights, others -- apart from the Ford sexual assault (and now other similar) allegations.

 

And yet from what I can tell from casually reading the news, all the other issues pretty much seem to have disappeared or are getting ignored. And the only thing that people seem to be weighing at this point re his confirmation is whether the sexual assault allegations are credible. Except for most of the Republicans, of course, who simply don't care.

 

[Srikcir]

39 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, but he was extra special because of his unusual views opposing special investigate counsels of presidents while they are in office. 

Obviously Trump had a personal criteria for Kavanaugh that outweighed judicial record.

• Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) McConnell did note that Hardiman and Kethledge could fare well in the Senate because their reputations and records were not as politically charged as others on the president’s short­list of nominees.
• On the other hand, Trump has privately and repeatedly questioned whether Kavanaugh’s work for the Bush family — a family whose members have deeply criticized the president and are pillars of the Republican establishment — could tarnish his brand or pose a problem for his core supporters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/trump-weighs-top-picks-for-supreme-court-amid-last-minute-maneuvering/2018/07/08/4a65b1b8-82d3-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html?utm_term=.53ce49999481

 

 

[KMartinHandyman]

Kavanaugh lied to the senate judiciary committee when he said he was of legal drinking age as a senior in high school.  He said the drinking age was 18, but it was 21.  Why wouldn't he lie about assaulting a teenager and attempting to rape her.  He seemed unstable during his testimony and the kind of partisan judge everyone knows he is.

It would be better if you were correct in your example of him lying before you called him a liar. Another false partisan accusation.

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

It would be better if you were correct in your example of him lying before you called him a liar. Another false partisan accusation.

Sure thing, dude.

https://www.businessinsider.com/maryland-drinking-age-could-brett-kavanaugh-legally-drink-high-school-2018-9

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Kavanaugh says it was legal for seniors to drink when he was in high school, but Maryland's drinking age was raised to 21 when he was 17
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According to multiple accounts, Kavanaugh was an eager participant in a hard-partying culture at his elite all-boys high school, Georgetown Preparatory, and at Yale University, where he was a member of a fraternity and an all-male secret society, Truth and Courage, nicknamed "Tit and Clit."

 

 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Jingthing

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 hours ago, rooster59 said:

But Flake, a moderate Republican who is retiring from the Senate in January, cast his vote only after asking the panel to request that the Trump administration pursue an FBI probe of the explosive allegations against Kavanaugh and delay a final Senate confirmation vote for up to a week to let the investigation run its course. Trump granted the request. 

 

It's a sad and sorry commentary on the state of today's Republican Party, taken over by Trump and his core of everything deniers, that the only time their lawmakers will do or say the obviously correct and proper things is when they've already decided not to run for re-election.  If they're planning to remain in Congress, you pretty much can forget any scruples or integrity.

 

I'm kinda curious just what went on with Flake. Did he suddenly have an attack of conscience after being confronted outside the Senate hearing room the other day by two women who said they were sexual assault victims? Or was there some behind the scenes maneuvering going on with some Democrats trying to get him to break ranks?

 

Edited September 29, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Captain_Bob]

Watching Kavanaugh's forced hyper-emotional testimony I was quickly reminded of... 

https://youtu.be/yWkVa-_sd24 

[KMartinHandyman]

An additional quote from your article. Seems you cherry picked or didn’t read past the gotcha headline.
"The drinking age was 18 in Maryland for most of my time in high school, and was 18 in D.C. for all of my time in high school," he said, adding, "I drank beer with my friends. Almost everyone did. Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out, and I never sexually assaulted anyone."

[ReMarKable]

32 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

It would be better if you were correct in your example of him lying before you called him a liar. Another false partisan accusation.

Google Kavanaugh drinking age and you will see many articles supporting what I wrote.

[ReMarKable]

3 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

An additional quote from your article. Seems you cherry picked or didn’t read past the gotcha headline.
"The drinking age was 18 in Maryland for most of my time in high school, and was 18 in D.C. for all of my time in high school," he said, adding, "I drank beer with my friends. Almost everyone did. Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out, and I never sexually assaulted anyone."

Fact check: the drinking age was changed to 21 when he was 17.

[watcharacters]

10 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

What's the answer? I don't really know, but limits on campaign finances and party 'discipline' are good places to start. 

 

Here, here.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

23 minutes ago, Captain_Bob said:

Watching Kavanaugh's forced hyper-emotional testimony I was quickly reminded of... 

https://youtu.be/yWkVa-_sd24 

 

Famous denial quotes:

 

Richard Nixon - I am not a crook.

 

Bill Clinton - I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

 

Clarence Thomas - It is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves.

 

Brett Kavanaugh - I’m here today to tell the truth. I’ve never sexually assaulted anyone. Not in high school, not in college, not ever.

 

Edited September 29, 2018 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Thaidream]

I watched the complete testimony from Dr. Ford and Judge K.  I believe both of them.  Something happened to Dr Ford but there is not any corroboration  that Judge K was the person who pinned Dr Ford to the bed-

 

-Mark Judge a friend of Judge K was named as being in the room by Dr Ford- Mr Judge states he has no knowledge of the party or the incident.

-According to Dr Ford she was 15 years old and did not drive- so someone had to bring her there and someone had to take her home-she has no memory of who this was or could be.

According to Dr Ford- there were 4 other people at the party- all 4 have made statements they don't remember any party nor have any memory of the incident.

-According to Dr Ford once she got out of the  bedroom-she locked herself in the bathroom and after a short period  left and ran down the steps and out of the house. Since she indicated she was terrified- the other people downstairs would have noticed an upset party goer running out of the house- but everyone stated they saw nothing and have no memory of any party.

 

Now let's look at Judge K-  he admits to attending various parties; drinking heavily but never attacking Dr Ford or anyone else

-There is no doubt that Judge K- drank to excess many times while in High School and College.  

-It is interesting to note that the High School he attended and Yale are difficult academic institutions and that Judge K passed the bar exam  Could a person who passed out from drink frequently  be able to excel in these schools and pass a very hard exam and become a lawyer.  I doubt it.

-The original FBI report went back to Age 18 and showed no issues.

-In addition the 2 other ladies that came forward have no credibility nor any corroboration  period.

 

While I may not like Judge K's politics- his judicial record is impeccable and he is qualified for the Court.

 

However, the FBI will now revisit  its background investigation and determine if there are  other facts .  They will interview Mark Judge; the other people involved and report what they said.  The FBI will make no conclusion.  The conclusion will be made by the US Senate and the court of public opinion.

 

What is extremely disturbing is the fact that someone leaked the name of Dr Ford when she requested  confidentiality and the Democratic leader held this information for almost 30 days- instead of turning it over to the Majority  Senator who could have ordered the FBI to investigate.  The whole process is now suspect- filled with political infighting and a poor example of how the Government operates at present.  There is no real search for the truth.

 

Again- it is possible that both parties are 'right'.  This  happened 36  years ago . Unless the FBI comes up with some corroboration - Judge K will be voted to the court.

 

The political system in America is broken and will remain so until money can be taken out of the system. 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

The political system in America is broken and will remain so until money can be taken out of the system.

 

Something Kavanaugh and his ilk will never vote to do.