Aus visa advice

[malos]

Hi,

 

I have been talking by video with a Thai Women for quite some time now.

 

She has a 4 year old daughter with a Thai man the gist was dv and dumping for some one else. divorced for 2 and a half years.

 

I`m going to visit her soon.

Not that I have made a decision at all in terms of relationship. I am very cautious. She never asked me for money or anything.

 

But since it`s a possibility one day I wanted to get an idea of what im needing to go through. If it pans out that way.

 

If this visit goes well. then i will visit as often as I can.

 

I did look up visas etc.

 

It seems like for a defacto partner visa I would need 12 months of proven relationship.

 

I have no idea if 6 trips for 2 weeks at a time over a 1 year period would be enough.

 

I had also looked at info about student visa but with a daughter it seems that might be hard.

Of course I dont want to rush anything into a fiance or intention to marry in australia type visa.

 

I had thought about holiday visa. While i could afford to pay for health insurance i think this is so difficult and not good for the daughter jumping between countries like that.

I just want to have an idea of what i need to be documenting now for making stuff easier in the future.

 

Thanks for any advice.

 

[simple1]

Most Thai females have extended families to take care of children whilst they are away for say three months in Oz and is normally culturally accepted.

 

Are you aware that currently it costs over A$7000 to apply for a de facto / fiance visa with no refund if rejected? Waiting time for processing is now approx 20 months?

 

For de facto / fiance visa links below should point you in the right direction for planning.

 

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/corporate/information/fact-sheets/35relationship#a

 

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/visa-1/801-/Partner-visa-(subclasses-820-and-801)-document-checklist

Edited September 29, 2018 by simple1

[malos]

thanks this exactly why i am asking. 

 

I had heard from my friend it is very difficult.

 

So i wanted advice on most suitable approach to take. 

 

i wouldnt worry about the 7k if it was on approved basis. 

 

yes Her parents would have no problem taking her daughter. provided we were helping by paying for her day care. 

 

I had looked into trying for a working study visa. 

 

and sending her to do an intermediate to advanced english course possible for use for further study.

 

she has done business and accounting in Thailand. Of course that would probably mean nothing in Australia but if she wanted to she could study this again in Australia after improving english skills. 

 

I guess maybe its just my thinking but the daughter will be 4 next year. I wouldnt want to separate the daughter for such a long time. 

 

plus it would be beneficial for her to live in australia for english exposure. 

 

also bringing for a 3 month tourist visa is ok. 

 

But that would involve her quitting her job. Also it would mean being responsible for supporting her while in Australia and supporting her daughter while living with her parents. 

 

im not sure what most people do these days. 

 

 

it seemed from what my friend said many are doing a tourist visa then trying for intention to marry etc from there. 

 

I would have thought there would be a more responsible and affordable visa encouraging living as defacto with working rights so a more sensible and longer tike for australian citizen can really make an informed decision and also the non australian citizen can also decided they actually want to live in Australia. 

 

to avoid bringing in people on a rushed decision to marry and then end in divorce. 

 

shrugs* maybe I am assuming australias immigration officials are competent. 

[simple1]

Fiance visa provides 'get to know you' time on shore, but still requires approx A$7000 and not refundable if relationship doesn't work out.

 

So long as the tourist visa doesn't have the 'no further stay' condition you can apply for a de facto / marriage visa onshore if you meet required criteria. A Bridging Visa is issued and takes about 13 months for assessment, in the meantime partner can work with access to Medicare.

 

Each to their own, personally I would spend some time in Thailand, both with and way from family, then return say 3 / 6 months later to ascertain if you are still comfortable with each other, clearly communicate mutual expectations, does the woman have sole legal custody of the child and so on; it's not all about you. In other words - slow down.

Edited September 30, 2018 by simple1

[malos]

Thanks for your reply.

 

Yes I know I`m not rushing just researching what I`m getting myself into and how I can make things easier in the future if such an event.

 

So basically i should start documenting stuff now.

 

and document travel to meet what we did etc.

 

So you would suggest in the future to first do a tourist visa or multi visit tourist visa. I`m not sure how to a void "no further stay", Then if all ok jump to another type of visa.

 

A student Visa is not a good idea? I had thought it might have been because in that time she could skill up English and possibly even work and get more exposure to what life would be like.

If it was done that way are student visas more likely to have no further stay?

 

In regards to the child the dad completely abandoned them. I assume that means she has full custody. But I will check.

But different cultures and laws.

Anyway no rush just interested.

[Odysseus123]

9 minutes ago, malos said:

Thanks for your reply.

 

Yes I know I`m not rushing just researching what I`m getting myself into and how I can make things easier in the future if such an event.

 

So basically i should start documenting stuff now.

 

and document travel to meet what we did etc.

 

So you would suggest in the future to first do a tourist visa or multi visit tourist visa. I`m not sure how to a void "no further stay", Then if all ok jump to another type of visa.

 

A student Visa is not a good idea? I had thought it might have been because in that time she could skill up English and possibly even work and get more exposure to what life would be like.

If it was done that way are student visas more likely to have no further stay?

 

In regards to the child the dad completely abandoned them. I assume that means she has full custody. But I will check.

But different cultures and laws.

Anyway no rush just interested.

I  would  certainly be taking 'simple 1's'advice-and no other.

[simple1]

45 minutes ago, malos said:

Thanks for your reply.

 

Yes I know I`m not rushing just researching what I`m getting myself into and how I can make things easier in the future if such an event.

 

So basically i should start documenting stuff now.

 

and document travel to meet what we did etc.

 

So you would suggest in the future to first do a tourist visa or multi visit tourist visa. I`m not sure how to a void "no further stay", Then if all ok jump to another type of visa.

 

A student Visa is not a good idea? I had thought it might have been because in that time she could skill up English and possibly even work and get more exposure to what life would be like.

If it was done that way are student visas more likely to have no further stay?

 

In regards to the child the dad completely abandoned them. I assume that means she has full custody. But I will check.

But different cultures and laws.

Anyway no rush just interested.

 

Regards how you wish to go with visas that's your decision to make. 

 

I have known a number of Thais who have come to Oz on student visas and worked for the permitted 20 hours a week, so an avenue you could research. Note that Oz government is getting tougher with student visas due to abuse of T&Cs. My understanding is these days students must return to home country upon completion of their course, then reapply  for another visa i.e. no further stay, but you should cross check.

Edited September 30, 2018 by simple1

[malos]

thanks simple1.

 

will check it all out. just want to know all available options. 

 

in the end of the day its something that needs to be discussed between myself and her when the day arrives.

 

But i want to be prepared to understand all the options available. 

 

knowing the choices and deciding together on the best steps to take is whats most important.

[PhanomR]

A big thing that you will need to face is that for the daughter to be issued a visa to Australian, you will need the fathers permission. Doesn't matter if the father abandoned the daughter, you will still require it.

 

Have a look at Surin13 post's on the matter and maybe he will provide some insight.  

[PhanomR]

On 9/30/2018 at 12:36 AM, malos said:

I have no idea if 6 trips for 2 weeks at a time over a 1 year period would be enough.

No it's not enough, 12 weeks doesn't equal 52 weeks, you need to be living together for 12 months (continuously) to get this visa, 

[malos]

hello,

 

So i just had a holiday and had a really great time.

 

Will be returning again soon for a few weeks.

 

Just a question.

 

I had looked at the defacto/fiance visa.

 

They say they are waiting time of 13 plus months.

 

If she were to come in the future on a tourist visa for 6 months and i wanted to go for defacto visa.

 

The application would give a bridging visa?

 

Then it would be well over a year for the visa application to proceed.

 

If the 6 months tourist then the 1 plus year waiting on bridging visa would that fit the requirements of 12 months relationship.

 

Or does the full 12 months have to be done on tourist visas then application can be done.

 

I know its a great idea to keep diary with pics info on stuff done together during the waiting time but wanted clarification on the 12 month relationship requirement must be before application or can count the waiting time.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

[simple1]

8 hours ago, malos said:

hello,

 

So i just had a holiday and had a really great time.

 

Will be returning again soon for a few weeks.

 

Just a question.

 

I had looked at the defacto/fiance visa.

 

They say they are waiting time of 13 plus months.

 

If she were to come in the future on a tourist visa for 6 months and i wanted to go for defacto visa.

 

The application would give a bridging visa?

 

Then it would be well over a year for the visa application to proceed.

 

If the 6 months tourist then the 1 plus year waiting on bridging visa would that fit the requirements of 12 months relationship.

 

Or does the full 12 months have to be done on tourist visas then application can be done.

 

I know its a great idea to keep diary with pics info on stuff done together during the waiting time but wanted clarification on the 12 month relationship requirement must be before application or can count the waiting time.

 

Thanks

I understand decision is made upon time spent together at time of visa submission. Hopefully Will27 or someone else can confirm or advise otherwise

[Minko]

Whats the rush?  Bring her to Aus on a few cheap and easy tourist visa's and you may spot a few red flags you will never see while on holiday with her in Thailand.  Have seen a few girls love Aus for a holiday, but after a while its obvious they wont last living in Australia.  

Its a tough journey for any TG let alone adding another dependant to the mix.  I would slow it right down and enjoy, forget trying to rush and meet the minimums of a DV.  

 

Oh and whatever visa you go for keep a copy of all your flights together, they are gold for proving relationships.  

[TSF]

malos mate, you haven't actually met this woman? Just chatted online & cam. Now you're seriously considering bringing her & her kid to Australia? My advice, not only slow down but completely cease thinking about long-term relationship with a foreign woman you haven't even met. Go for a visit soon, spend time with the woman & her kid, see how it goes, as you say if all goes well you'll make frequent trips to Thailand. Down the track you can consider getting her a 3-month visitor visa for Oz. But stop it at that. You shouldn't even consider going the spouse/fiance route for at least another 2-3 years, by which time you would have built up a history together. And you say you're very cautious, well you'll need to very very cautious X10, many many many Thai women have learned that they can fish for a foreign sponsor via internet sites. You say she has never asked for money, well as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, money will eventually come into the picture.

[malos]

Hi,

 

Thanks for your concern. im not rushing. just wondering.

 

I just met her for few weeks.

 

I am going again 2 - 4 weeks in Feb.

 

My main concern was if i want to bring her here is that it will be 1 year on visa`s and supporting a kid and her while she can`t work. It just made more sense to do best at getting her working rights in Australia if all is going well.

 

It seems like that with a dependent working holiday is not possible. Study and work visa is complicated and expensive.

 

Nor is there any assistance for sending a kid to day care. She would be home and care for the girl but I`d like to send her 1 or 2 days just to get exposure to kids in English etc.

 

Sure she has a little money saved but I am sure you understand that a single mother has a hard time saving money with their obligations to children etc.

 

I do feel like i like her.

 

We had a great time, of course after next trip i will make a decision to try for 3 month Visa / multiple visa entry.

 

She lives with Her aunt who is married to an Australian living in Thailand. While that does not rule out the possibility of her not being able to adjust to Australia like TSF mentioned. It does make me believe she is looking for a genuine relationship.

 

I met the Aussie and had dinner their house a few times he was skeptical of me, but after some beers and life stories he decided im not being dodgy.

[varun]

Most of the above advice is solid.

It is absurd to even think so far into the future, when you haven't even met this woman.

 

There is a high probability that it won't last after you meet, when you're confronted with the lies and deceit.

Divorced, with an offspring from another Somchai in tow is already two strikes.

Judging from the way you write, it seems you're smitten and that's a slippery slope.

Of course, if you're desperate and lonely, then all bets are off - do as you please.

Remember, it's a sucker's game and you will always be the sucker.

[malos]

3 hours ago, varun said:

Most of the above advice is solid.

It is absurd to even think so far into the future, when you haven't even met this woman.

 

There is a high probability that it won't last after you meet, when you're confronted with the lies and deceit.

Divorced, with an offspring from another Somchai in tow is already two strikes.

Judging from the way you write, it seems you're smitten and that's a slippery slope.

Of course, if you're desperate and lonely, then all bets are off - do as you please.

Remember, it's a sucker's game and you will always be the sucker.

You talk as if you read my several posts. 

 

As mentioned I have met her. 

 

As mentioned I want to know everything about applying so I am careful not to make mistakes and follow the easiest path in the future.

 

She has a student loan and a bike loan. 

 

As a goal or incentive I already told her she needs to get a better job right now and pay that off I cannot help her.

 

She is already doing that. It is great that you can jump to the conclusion like a good keyboard warrior that I am some desperate guy but I'm not.

 

I have talked with her enough to know we are both similar in interested and hobbies.

 

I know this because every Thai girl I talked with online I never tell them anything about me except I live in Australia and my age.

 

I then make them tell me about themselves this allowed me to make sure their English was ok level and they were not pretending to be a good match.

 

 

I am not sure but I have been told she cant leave with student debt. Not sure if it's TRUE. 

 

I will visit her again and at least a third time before i think about a 3 month tourist Visa.

 

Really the kid does not bother me. 

I love kids and have 3 boys living with their mother. 

 

So having a girl is great for me and maybe another new kid in the future but that's a long way away. 

 

I am pretty opened minded. 

 

There were plenty of hot single no kid chicks I could be going for but this girl just stood out.

[Will27]

On ‎10‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 6:31 PM, malos said:

hello,

 

So i just had a holiday and had a really great time.

 

Will be returning again soon for a few weeks.

 

Just a question.

 

I had looked at the defacto/fiance visa.

 

They say they are waiting time of 13 plus months.

 

If she were to come in the future on a tourist visa for 6 months and i wanted to go for defacto visa.

 

The application would give a bridging visa?

 

Then it would be well over a year for the visa application to proceed.

 

If the 6 months tourist then the 1 plus year waiting on bridging visa would that fit the requirements of 12 months relationship.

 

Or does the full 12 months have to be done on tourist visas then application can be done.

 

I know its a great idea to keep diary with pics info on stuff done together during the waiting time but wanted clarification on the 12 month relationship requirement must be before application or can count the waiting time.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Yep, simple1 is correct, the time spent together is before the application is made.

 

If she get's a tourist visa, there's probably a 95% (at least) chance it will have an 8503 condition,

which means she won't be able to apply for another visa whilst in Australia.

 

She would only go on a bridging visa if she didn't have 8503 condition and could apply for a

spouse visa while in Australia. Again, this would be very unlikely.

 

You will be extremely fortunate if she gets a 6 month visa TBH.

Even 3 months is a long stint for her first visit.

Will she be able to get 6 months off work?

Who will look after her child?

 

You need to consider things like that.

What will she be doing all day?

Will you be at work etc?

 

Is there a big age difference?

Taking on a 4 year old won't be easy either.

 

As others have said, I still thinking you're moving too fast.

Just enjoy your next visits and then think about a tourist visa.

 

Good luck.

 

[TSF]

On 10/22/2018 at 12:15 PM, malos said:

Hi,

 

Thanks for your concern. im not rushing. just wondering.

 

I just met her for few weeks.

 

I am going again 2 - 4 weeks in Feb.

 

My main concern was if i want to bring her here is that it will be 1 year on visa`s and supporting a kid and her while she can`t work. It just made more sense to do best at getting her working rights in Australia if all is going well.

 

It seems like that with a dependent working holiday is not possible. Study and work visa is complicated and expensive.

 

Nor is there any assistance for sending a kid to day care. She would be home and care for the girl but I`d like to send her 1 or 2 days just to get exposure to kids in English etc.

 

Sure she has a little money saved but I am sure you understand that a single mother has a hard time saving money with their obligations to children etc.

 

I do feel like i like her.

 

We had a great time, of course after next trip i will make a decision to try for 3 month Visa / multiple visa entry.

 

She lives with Her aunt who is married to an Australian living in Thailand. While that does not rule out the possibility of her not being able to adjust to Australia like TSF mentioned. It does make me believe she is looking for a genuine relationship.

 

I met the Aussie and had dinner their house a few times he was skeptical of me, but after some beers and life stories he decided im not being dodgy.

So much depends on your age, your type of employment, how much money you have behind you, whether you own your own home. Also her age, her employment possibilities. I've been in a very committed loving relationship with a Thai woman for past 5 years, she's made 4 trips to Oz so far (we're currently in Perth until Jan 2019) I'd love for her to be able to live full-time here and work, but the process to obtain that is just so bloody long and expensive it's easier for me to live in Thailand and get her a visitor's visa once a year. Also my Thai partner doesn't have any kids, taking on someone else's kid/kids brings a whole bunch of legal and financial headaches that I certainly wouldn't want.